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Post by GBG on Sept 7, 2024 19:59:56 GMT -5
Not a move that you’d make? What move would you have made? I’m genuinely curious. Leave Jamal unsigned and risk losing him in free agency? Trade him for Trae Young? Someone else? I don’t get the mentality some fans have. Easy to say it’s not the move you’d make, but then you’d better have something up your sleeve that’s better. If not, then you’re just being an insane fan. I would have let this year play out. I don't think Murray is worth a max so the Nuggets would have been able to reset their core after this season. AG/Murray off the books, MPJ only 2 years left on his deal (last year not fully guaranteed) Glad you aren’t the GM.
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Post by Ring on Sept 7, 2024 20:04:15 GMT -5
I would have let this year play out. I don't think Murray is worth a max so the Nuggets would have been able to reset their core after this season. AG/Murray off the books, MPJ only 2 years left on his deal (last year not fully guaranteed) Glad you aren’t the GM. Our GM should stop accepting mediocrity and instead try to maximize the talent around a top 10 player of all time. He's pushed all of his chips in on 2 injury prone guys. It's very concerning.
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Post by inyourmind on Sept 7, 2024 20:07:32 GMT -5
It is what it is. Not a move that I'd make but the Nuggets still clearly believe in Murray. I don't think he'll ever be as bad as he was in last years playoffs. I hope not at least. I just really hope he understands the responsibility and commitment he needs to make going forward. Jokic clearly got it and changed his habits. Murray needs to do the same and stop acting like an arrogant prick when he plays poorly. Gun to my head I wouldn't bet on the Nuggets to win another Championship but maybe Murray will just be a guy who thrives in odd year playoff runs lol Nuggets had no choice. Letting a player who just put up HOF type numbers while you won a ring a season ago just isn't realistic. I'm confident he plays better next year in the playoffs. Murray is obviously a player who's amazing at dealing with pressure but I feel like the whole "playoff Murray" thing was as loud as ever and it impacted his game. You had that uncharacteristic meltdown against Minny and just alot of mistakes he usually doesn't make on the court. The inconsistent shot making amd lower floor we know exists but he was making lots of poor decisions with the ball. Entire team played with a cocky attitude IMO. Hunter vs hunted is a much better fit for this team and I think it's likely we see that team this year. Just no urgency last season.
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Post by GBG on Sept 7, 2024 20:13:04 GMT -5
Our GM should stop accepting mediocrity and instead try to maximize the talent around a top 10 player of all time. He's pushed all of his chips in on 2 injury prone guys. It's very concerning. You really shouldn’t call MPJ injury prone anymore, now that he completed 81 game RS that could have been 82, plus all playoff games. Unless you were referring to AG as injury prone which makes no sense. You said you wanted both Murray and AG off the books. This season will be a write off if an angry Jamal plays it out, unsigned. Locker room culture can go south in a hurry.
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Post by JB on Sept 7, 2024 20:19:55 GMT -5
hopefully Jamal doesn't miss 25 games again so we don't have to panic over the third PG. and unlike Reggie who was cooked after December, Russ can handle an increased mpg for a few game stretches. Unlike Reggie? Reggie played 82 games last year and every single playoff game despite injuries. Russ is two years older and had surgery during the season. Hopefully Jamal doesn't miss 25 games? Uh, hope is not a strategy. That's like "hoping" Pickett gets better. We literally had an emergency option sitting on the bench for free and we shipped him out for another redundant forward who won't play even if two or three guys ahead of him are hurt. Reggie was the walking dead post-December, his inaminate corpse being propped up by Joker and the starters. and now Malone will play Trey when one of Jamal/Russ are out with injury. I think that's a good thing considering he killed the SL. You really gonna judge who is in our playoff or RS rotation based on a few SL games? How did that work out with Tyson? He killed it in 2023 SL. Did that not merit a rotation spot, while Trey does merit a spot? In reality, SL means nothing and neither are proven rotation guys. I’d be a bit more circumspect about Trey Alexander, an undrafted rookie, before just handing him a rotation role. We should have and could have kept CG. we're talking the third PG here, GBG. if Trey hits that would solve a very significant problem for the Nuggets. it's worth a shot and we're not going to find out unless he plays.
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Post by famicommander on Sept 7, 2024 20:23:40 GMT -5
Jones and Monte aren't Jamal and Russ. Both Jamal and Russ got hurt last year. And, again, last year we got 82 games out of Reggie and still ended up rationing CG's 50 active games down the stretch of the regular season trying to run CB, KCP, and Holiday at the PG2 sometimes. And the Suns aren't also ridiculously shallow at the other guard position. We are. Trey could end up being called into action at SG. Unless you think Spencer Jones, another 6'7" forward, is gonna get minutes this year there is no coherent argument for choosing not to retain both CG and Trey. I could see if someone had given CG a full time roster spot, but it was a two-way. It cost us nothing to have a 3rd year "break glass in case of emergency" guy whom everybody on the team already loves and knows how to play with. And we shipped him out for Pickett's sake. CG played 24 games amd in 10 of those games he played less than 5 minutes. He had 10 games above 15 minutes amd a few of those were blowouts. Westbrook replacing Jackson and using Alexander as the CG replacement is fine. I agree keeping CG over Pickett is a no brainer but if at any point in the season it becomes a relevant issue than we woulda been fucked no matter what. Murray missing 50+ games and Westbrook missing 30+. At that point your making a trade even if you did keep CG over Pickett. CG was never going to be a legitimate rotation piece and neither will Pickett. CG was active for 49 games, though, and we literally had to ration his games out towards the end of the season. He would have played much more if we hadn't stupidly had him active but DNP for so many games in the first part of the year when we were actually relatively healthy at the guard spot. Nobody said CG was ever going to be in the rotation this year. It's like you're going far out of your way to misrepresent or misunderstand my point. My point was that our guard depth last year wasn't close to good enough (you can tell by the way we didn't get the 1 seed and didn't win a championship) and this year it's far worse. So what do you think is going to happen this year? Spoiler: -Trey will be active but not playing all the damn time in the early season while the other guards are healthy and Pickett doesn't dress. -At some point Jamal will get hurt. -At some point Russ will get hurt. Hopefully not at the same time as Jamal. -At some point a SG will get hurt. Hopefully not at the same time as Jamal and/or Russ. -We'll be sitting around trying to decide whether to burn another of Trey's 50 games now or try to hold out until March when we're in a race for playoff seeding Do I think CG's absence will be the ultimate difference maker in the final outcome of ourseason? Of course not. But the absolute #1 road block we can see in front of us is guard depth. And we got way less deep at guard even before the CG situation, essentially swapping out Reggie/KCP/Holiday for just Russ. So instead of having two possibly playable emergency guard options in CG and Trey, we decided to go out of our way to only have one. So that we can have yet another 6'7" forward in Seth Jones. Unless this kid comes out of nowhere and lights it up, what circumstance can you envision where Seth Jones contributes even to the level of CG last year or Trey's expected contribution this year? Even if we lost MPJ AND Watson there's almost no chance of those minutes going to Jones. They're going to be redistributed between CB, AG, and Vlatko. God help us, even Zeke and Tyson are ahead of Jones in that line. And again... CG was free. He didn't count against the roster or the salary cap and we could've matched his contract. The CG situation isn't the actual problem, it's emblematic of the problem. The problem is our GM is trying to remove options from our head coach to get him to play the guys he wants. Booth wants Pickett to play. That's why CG is gone. And it's why our SG depth went from KCP/Braun/Holiday/Strawther to Braun/Strawther. It's not subtle.
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Post by JB on Sept 7, 2024 20:31:11 GMT -5
Booth is going to have to fire Malone if he want Pickett to play. Malone will just run Braun at PG if injury forces his hand. if Booth thinks he can out-stubbon Mike Malone, he's in for a rude awakening.
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Post by famicommander on Sept 7, 2024 20:32:24 GMT -5
Booth is going to have to fire Malone if he want Pickett to play. Malone will just run Braun at PG if injury forces his hand. if Booth thinks he can out-stubbon Mike Malone, he's in for a rude awakening. My biggest worry is Booth will ship Trey out of town next if Malone takes a liking to him.
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Post by GBG on Sept 7, 2024 20:50:00 GMT -5
Unlike Reggie? Reggie played 82 games last year and every single playoff game despite injuries. Russ is two years older and had surgery during the season. Hopefully Jamal doesn't miss 25 games? Uh, hope is not a strategy. That's like "hoping" Pickett gets better. We literally had an emergency option sitting on the bench for free and we shipped him out for another redundant forward who won't play even if two or three guys ahead of him are hurt. Reggie was the walking dead post-December, his inaminate corpse being propped up by Joker and the starters. You really gonna judge who is in our playoff or RS rotation based on a few SL games? How did that work out with Tyson? He killed it in 2023 SL. Did that not merit a rotation spot, while Trey does merit a spot? In reality, SL means nothing and neither are proven rotation guys. I’d be a bit more circumspect about Trey Alexander, an undrafted rookie, before just handing him a rotation role. We should have and could have kept CG. we're talking the third PG here, GBG. if Trey hits that would solve a very significant problem for the Nuggets. it's worth a shot and we're not going to find out unless he plays. Okay. That makes sense. But using SL performance as justification is just absurd, as we’ve seen recently with Tyson.
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Post by Ring on Sept 7, 2024 20:50:52 GMT -5
It is what it is. Not a move that I'd make but the Nuggets still clearly believe in Murray. I don't think he'll ever be as bad as he was in last years playoffs. I hope not at least. I just really hope he understands the responsibility and commitment he needs to make going forward. Jokic clearly got it and changed his habits. Murray needs to do the same and stop acting like an arrogant prick when he plays poorly. Gun to my head I wouldn't bet on the Nuggets to win another Championship but maybe Murray will just be a guy who thrives in odd year playoff runs lol Nuggets had no choice. Letting a player who just put up HOF type numbers while you won a ring a season ago just isn't realistic. I'm confident he plays better next year in the playoffs. Murray is obviously a player who's amazing at dealing with pressure but I feel like the whole "playoff Murray" thing was as loud as ever and it impacted his game. You had that uncharacteristic meltdown against Minny and just alot of mistakes he usually doesn't make on the court. The inconsistent shot making amd lower floor we know exists but he was making lots of poor decisions with the ball. Entire team played with a cocky attitude IMO. Hunter vs hunted is a much better fit for this team and I think it's likely we see that team this year. Just no urgency last season. The guy just has to get in better shape. I don't want to see Murray standing with his hands around his hips in the 2nd quarter of games anymore. Westbrook might be a Godsend for Murray. Problem is I still think Malone will force Westbrook/Murray lineups and play Murray 35+ most nights
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Post by inyourmind on Sept 7, 2024 21:03:19 GMT -5
CG played 24 games amd in 10 of those games he played less than 5 minutes. He had 10 games above 15 minutes amd a few of those were blowouts. Westbrook replacing Jackson and using Alexander as the CG replacement is fine. I agree keeping CG over Pickett is a no brainer but if at any point in the season it becomes a relevant issue than we woulda been fucked no matter what. Murray missing 50+ games and Westbrook missing 30+. At that point your making a trade even if you did keep CG over Pickett. CG was never going to be a legitimate rotation piece and neither will Pickett. CG was active for 49 games, though, and we literally had to ration his games out towards the end of the season. He would have played much more if we hadn't stupidly had him active but DNP for so many games in the first part of the year when we were actually relatively healthy at the guard spot. Nobody said CG was ever going to be in the rotation this year. It's like you're going far out of your way to misrepresent or misunderstand my point. My point was that our guard depth last year wasn't close to good enough (you can tell by the way we didn't get the 1 seed and didn't win a championship) and this year it's far worse. So what do you think is going to happen this year? Spoiler: -Trey will be active but not playing all the damn time in the early season while the other guards are healthy and Pickett doesn't dress. -At some point Jamal will get hurt. -At some point Russ will get hurt. Hopefully not at the same time as Jamal. -At some point a SG will get hurt. Hopefully not at the same time as Jamal and/or Russ. -We'll be sitting around trying to decide whether to burn another of Trey's 50 games now or try to hold out until March when we're in a race for playoff seeding Do I think CG's absence will be the ultimate difference maker in the final outcome of ourseason? Of course not. But the absolute #1 road block we can see in front of us is guard depth. And we got way less deep at guard even before the CG situation, essentially swapping out Reggie/KCP/Holiday for just Russ. So instead of having two possibly playable emergency guard options in CG and Trey, we decided to go out of our way to only have one. So that we can have yet another 6'7" forward in Seth Jones. Unless this kid comes out of nowhere and lights it up, what circumstance can you envision where Seth Jones contributes even to the level of CG last year or Trey's expected contribution this year? Even if we lost MPJ AND Watson there's almost no chance of those minutes going to Jones. They're going to be redistributed between CB, AG, and Vlatko. God help us, even Zeke and Tyson are ahead of Jones in that line. And again... CG was free. He didn't count against the roster or the salary cap and we could've matched his contract. I get your point. I just think it doesn't matter. Like counting when a players active vs games played? Who the player getting DNP'd isn't important. CG playing 24 vs 40 games changes nothing. The Nuggets wasted those games because they knew it didn't matter. We could have won the 1 seed if we didn't have that hilarious collapse vs the Spurs. We had the biggest choke job in game 7 history and that wasn't because of CG or Pickett. It was the starters. Your making my point. The deep depth was bad last year and didn't hurt the season at all. We had a massive lead in Game 7 and we're well on our way to the WCF. CB/Strawer hitting and Westbrook fitting in is what will determine our depth. We know we'll see an ugly stretch where guys get hurt and we'll need the starters to step up. CG over Pickett isn't changing your win totals and that's why I don't care. Fully agree he's the better choice and it was dumb to keep Pickett but in the grand scheme of things it's not that important. I can think of 20 things that are more important. I'm not a huge fan but even debating the fact that CG shoulda seen more minutes is more interesting. You making the case CG could have an impact and should have got more minutes and could thrive in PHX is better than pretending like the 11th man matters. If the Nuggets hit a point where it does the season's a failure and no bench warmer is changing that. The guard depth that matters is CB thriving as a starter, Westbrook being a positive, and Strawther being a legitimate rotation piece. Murray being healthy in the playoffs is the most important thing. If we get that we're in a great spot.
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Post by JB on Sept 7, 2024 21:06:59 GMT -5
Reggie was the walking dead post-December, his inaminate corpse being propped up by Joker and the starters. we're talking the third PG here, GBG. if Trey hits that would solve a very significant problem for the Nuggets. it's worth a shot and we're not going to find out unless he plays. Okay. That makes sense. But using SL performance as justification is just absurd, as we’ve seen recently with Tyson. I put more stock in a PG's performances during SL than a gunner like Hunter getting fluky hot. you could tell Bones was a NBA player during SL and Trey showed similar confidence/composure.
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Post by famicommander on Sept 7, 2024 21:08:42 GMT -5
Those games did matter. Did you not watch the games last year? Do you not remember the excruciating games trying to watch Holiday, Braun, KCP, and Pickett run the point guard with a healthy CG in street clothes on the bench? Do you not remember us supergluing Reggie's limbs back on so he could go back out there every single night?
My god, we missed the 1 seed by a single game. 1 game.
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Post by inyourmind on Sept 7, 2024 21:10:56 GMT -5
Nuggets had no choice. Letting a player who just put up HOF type numbers while you won a ring a season ago just isn't realistic. I'm confident he plays better next year in the playoffs. Murray is obviously a player who's amazing at dealing with pressure but I feel like the whole "playoff Murray" thing was as loud as ever and it impacted his game. You had that uncharacteristic meltdown against Minny and just alot of mistakes he usually doesn't make on the court. The inconsistent shot making amd lower floor we know exists but he was making lots of poor decisions with the ball. Entire team played with a cocky attitude IMO. Hunter vs hunted is a much better fit for this team and I think it's likely we see that team this year. Just no urgency last season. The guy just has to get in better shape. I don't want to see Murray standing with his hands around his hips in the 2nd quarter of games anymore. Westbrook might be a Godsend for Murray. Problem is I still think Malone will force Westbrook/Murray lineups and play Murray 35+ most nights I'm not a big fan of Westbrook's game but his mentality should not only be big for Murray but the entire team. 3 years ago I would have despised the add and I'm still worried about the shooting but last year's team was unbelievably soft.
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Post by GBG on Sept 8, 2024 0:00:18 GMT -5
The guy just has to get in better shape. I don't want to see Murray standing with his hands around his hips in the 2nd quarter of games anymore. Westbrook might be a Godsend for Murray. Problem is I still think Malone will force Westbrook/Murray lineups and play Murray 35+ most nights I'm not a big fan of Westbrook's game but his mentality should not only be big for Murray but the entire team. 3 years ago I would have despised the add and I'm still worried about the shooting but last year's team was unbelievably soft. Agree. Imagine Jokic with Westbrook’s Alpha Dog mentality. He could win 3 more MVPs and a couple more titles if it rubs off on him.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Sept 8, 2024 2:12:01 GMT -5
going with Trey Alexander's upside over the 25 year old finished product Facu Gillespie is one of Calvin's rare Ws this off season. Just calling him Facu Gillespie disqualify you from having on opinion worth listening to imo
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Post by nuggetshipster on Sept 8, 2024 2:13:11 GMT -5
and now Malone will play Trey when one of Jamal/Russ are out with injury. I think that's a good thing considering he killed the SL. I would be shocked if Facu Gillispie will get any run with Jones and Monte on the roster in Phoenix. Why are you making this CG vs Trey? Fami had been so f***ing clear he is talking about Pickett
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Post by nuggetshipster on Sept 8, 2024 2:14:51 GMT -5
It is what it is. Not a move that I'd make but the Nuggets still clearly believe in Murray. I don't think he'll ever be as bad as he was in last years playoffs. I hope not at least. I just really hope he understands the responsibility and commitment he needs to make going forward. Jokic clearly got it and changed his habits. Murray needs to do the same and stop acting like an arrogant prick when he plays poorly. Gun to my head I wouldn't bet on the Nuggets to win another Championship but maybe Murray will just be a guy who thrives in odd year playoff runs lol Not a move that you’d make? What move would you have made? I’m genuinely curious. Leave Jamal unsigned and risk losing him in free agency? Trade him for Trae Young? Someone else? I don’t get the mentality some fans have. Easy to say it’s not the move you’d make, but then you’d better have something up your sleeve that’s better. If not, then you’re just being an insane fan. This is kind of insane tho. To pretend Ring should KNOW what options were on the table.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Sept 8, 2024 2:16:35 GMT -5
It is what it is. Not a move that I'd make but the Nuggets still clearly believe in Murray. I don't think he'll ever be as bad as he was in last years playoffs. I hope not at least. I just really hope he understands the responsibility and commitment he needs to make going forward. Jokic clearly got it and changed his habits. Murray needs to do the same and stop acting like an arrogant prick when he plays poorly. Gun to my head I wouldn't bet on the Nuggets to win another Championship but maybe Murray will just be a guy who thrives in odd year playoff runs lol Nuggets had no choice. Letting a player who just put up HOF type numbers while you won a ring a season ago just isn't realistic. I'm confident he plays better next year in the playoffs. Murray is obviously a player who's amazing at dealing with pressure but I feel like the whole "playoff Murray" thing was as loud as ever and it impacted his game. You had that uncharacteristic meltdown against Minny and just alot of mistakes he usually doesn't make on the court. The inconsistent shot making amd lower floor we know exists but he was making lots of poor decisions with the ball. Entire team played with a cocky attitude IMO. Hunter vs hunted is a much better fit for this team and I think it's likely we see that team this year. Just no urgency last season. Its a long time since those HOF numbers. He JUST posted ass role player numbers in the Olympics.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Sept 8, 2024 2:19:10 GMT -5
Unlike Reggie? Reggie played 82 games last year and every single playoff game despite injuries. Russ is two years older and had surgery during the season. Hopefully Jamal doesn't miss 25 games? Uh, hope is not a strategy. That's like "hoping" Pickett gets better. We literally had an emergency option sitting on the bench for free and we shipped him out for another redundant forward who won't play even if two or three guys ahead of him are hurt. Reggie was the walking dead post-December, his inaminate corpse being propped up by Joker and the starters. You really gonna judge who is in our playoff or RS rotation based on a few SL games? How did that work out with Tyson? He killed it in 2023 SL. Did that not merit a rotation spot, while Trey does merit a spot? In reality, SL means nothing and neither are proven rotation guys. I’d be a bit more circumspect about Trey Alexander, an undrafted rookie, before just handing him a rotation role. We should have and could have kept CG. we're talking the third PG here, GBG. if Trey hits that would solve a very significant problem for the Nuggets. it's worth a shot and we're not going to find out unless he plays. ig Strawther hits we will be fine If Trey hits we will be fine If Russ isnt washed and hits we will be fine We were fine
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