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Post by TNF on Sept 7, 2024 14:45:42 GMT -5
Let's hope he takes off-season conditioning more seriously than he has thusfar in his career. Jamal is worth every penny if he stays healthy. Overweight bad-attitude Jamal is worth a buck three-eighty.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Sept 7, 2024 14:49:39 GMT -5
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Post by freakns on Sept 7, 2024 15:08:09 GMT -5
well, this is concerning, cause if we learned so far is that fans of other teams are right on point regarding players that do not play for their team. btw, can you find out how many fans of other teams claimed before 2023 Jokic will never be cornerstone of a team that will win championship? to be clear, I'm not a huge fan of this signing, but it had to be done... 2023 playoffs practically locked max deal for Jamal.
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Post by JB on Sept 7, 2024 15:14:43 GMT -5
very mature response. hopefully Ring and Dante refrain from crashing out.
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Post by GBG on Sept 7, 2024 15:58:38 GMT -5
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Post by Dante on Sept 7, 2024 16:19:45 GMT -5
very mature response. hopefully Ring and Dante refrain from crashing out. ...crashing out.... I can "swallow" 52 million $ per year. No incentives/protections whatsover i cant.
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Post by wicked3line on Sept 7, 2024 16:22:23 GMT -5
to be clear, I'm not a huge fan of this signing, but it had to be done... 2023 playoffs practically locked max deal for Jamal. Sure $46 mil next year followed by $50 mil in 26/27 season is a slight overpay for a guy that has never made an All-Star game. HOWEVER, in the new TV deal as fringe All-Star guys like Jamal, Ingram, McCollum, Dejounte Murray, etc... approach the end of current deals somebody is going to offer them near or above $40 mil/year. Even AG is getting a deal over $30 mil/year as that is just the new norm people better get used to.
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Post by scooter on Sept 7, 2024 18:05:20 GMT -5
They didn't even have to get rid of Pickett to keep Gillespie. Gillespie signed a two-way in Phoenix, and we could've matched and retained him instead of signing Jones. So it's not even that Booth chose Pickett over Gillespie. He went a step further and chased Gillespie out of town (to a PG-needy conference rival) just so that Malone would have fewer guys ahead of Pickett on the depth chart. I hope he doesn't do the same to Trey when he eats up the emergency guard minutes this year over Pickett. And CG wasn't just Malone's pet guy. DeAndre insisted on sitting with CG on plane rides. Murray rode to and from games and practices with CG every day. Holiday and Reggie were both very vocal in their praise of CG last year. He was a very, very popular guy in the whole room. Really — Gillespie?
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Post by JB on Sept 7, 2024 18:09:20 GMT -5
going with Trey Alexander's upside over the 25 year old finished product Facu Gillespie is one of Calvin's rare Ws this off season.
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Post by famicommander on Sept 7, 2024 18:20:14 GMT -5
For the third time, they didn't at any point have to choose between CG and Trey. They very easily could and should have both guys on two-ways this year. Then they could each dress 50 regular season games and collectively that would solve the PG3 problem irrespective of whether or not they cut Pickett (at least for the regular season).
They picked Jones (and Pickett, twice) over CG, not Trey.
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Post by JB on Sept 7, 2024 18:46:32 GMT -5
and now Malone will play Trey when one of Jamal/Russ are out with injury. I think that's a good thing considering he killed the SL.
I would be shocked if Facu Gillispie will get any run with Jones and Monte on the roster in Phoenix.
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Post by famicommander on Sept 7, 2024 18:53:38 GMT -5
and now Malone will play Trey when one of Jamal/Russ are out with injury. I think that's a good thing considering he killed the SL. I would be shocked if Facu Gillispie will get any run with Jones and Monte on the roster in Phoenix. Jones and Monte aren't Jamal and Russ. Both Jamal and Russ got hurt last year. And, again, last year we got 82 games out of Reggie and still ended up rationing CG's 50 active games down the stretch of the regular season trying to run CB, KCP, and Holiday at the PG2 sometimes. And the Suns aren't also ridiculously shallow at the other guard position. We are. Trey could end up being called into action at SG. Unless you think Spencer Jones, another 6'7" forward, is gonna get minutes this year there is no coherent argument for choosing not to retain both CG and Trey. I could see if someone had given CG a full time roster spot, but it was a two-way. It cost us nothing to have a 3rd year "break glass in case of emergency" guy whom everybody on the team already loves and knows how to play with. And we shipped him out for Pickett's sake.
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Post by JB on Sept 7, 2024 18:57:40 GMT -5
hopefully Jamal doesn't miss 25 games again so we don't have to panic over the third PG.
and unlike Reggie who was cooked after December, Russ can handle an increased mpg for a few game stretches.
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Post by famicommander on Sept 7, 2024 19:00:16 GMT -5
hopefully Jamal doesn't miss 25 games again so we don't have to panic over the third PG. and unlike Reggie who was cooked after December, Russ can handle an increased mpg for a few game stretches. Unlike Reggie? Reggie played 82 games last year and every single playoff game despite injuries. Russ is two years older and had surgery during the season. Hopefully Jamal doesn't miss 25 games? Uh, hope is not a strategy. That's like "hoping" Pickett gets better. We literally had an emergency option sitting on the bench for free and we shipped him out for another redundant forward who won't play even if two or three guys ahead of him are hurt.
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Post by Ring on Sept 7, 2024 19:14:16 GMT -5
It is what it is. Not a move that I'd make but the Nuggets still clearly believe in Murray. I don't think he'll ever be as bad as he was in last years playoffs. I hope not at least.
I just really hope he understands the responsibility and commitment he needs to make going forward. Jokic clearly got it and changed his habits. Murray needs to do the same and stop acting like an arrogant prick when he plays poorly.
Gun to my head I wouldn't bet on the Nuggets to win another Championship but maybe Murray will just be a guy who thrives in odd year playoff runs lol
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Post by nuggets77 on Sept 7, 2024 19:37:14 GMT -5
It is what it is. Not a move that I'd make but the Nuggets still clearly believe in Murray. I don't think he'll ever be as bad as he was in last years playoffs. I hope not at least. I just really hope he understands the responsibility and commitment he needs to make going forward. Jokic clearly got it and changed his habits. Murray needs to do the same and stop acting like an arrogant prick when he plays poorly. Gun to my head I wouldn't bet on the Nuggets to win another Championship but maybe Murray will just be a guy who thrives in odd year playoff runs lol Nuggets Nation Lets roll!
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Post by GBG on Sept 7, 2024 19:41:50 GMT -5
It is what it is. Not a move that I'd make but the Nuggets still clearly believe in Murray. I don't think he'll ever be as bad as he was in last years playoffs. I hope not at least. I just really hope he understands the responsibility and commitment he needs to make going forward. Jokic clearly got it and changed his habits. Murray needs to do the same and stop acting like an arrogant prick when he plays poorly. Gun to my head I wouldn't bet on the Nuggets to win another Championship but maybe Murray will just be a guy who thrives in odd year playoff runs lol Not a move that you’d make? What move would you have made? I’m genuinely curious. Leave Jamal unsigned and risk losing him in free agency? Trade him for Trae Young? Someone else? I don’t get the mentality some fans have. Easy to say it’s not the move you’d make, but then you’d better have something up your sleeve that’s better. If not, then you’re just being an insane fan.
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Post by GBG on Sept 7, 2024 19:45:57 GMT -5
and now Malone will play Trey when one of Jamal/Russ are out with injury. I think that's a good thing considering he killed the SL. You really gonna judge who is in our playoff or RS rotation based on a few SL games? How did that work out with Tyson? He killed it in 2023 SL. Did that not merit a rotation spot, while Trey does merit a spot? In reality, SL means nothing and neither are proven rotation guys. I’d be a bit more circumspect about Trey Alexander, an undrafted rookie, before just handing him a rotation role. We should have and could have kept CG.
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Post by inyourmind on Sept 7, 2024 19:58:01 GMT -5
and now Malone will play Trey when one of Jamal/Russ are out with injury. I think that's a good thing considering he killed the SL. I would be shocked if Facu Gillispie will get any run with Jones and Monte on the roster in Phoenix. Jones and Monte aren't Jamal and Russ. Both Jamal and Russ got hurt last year. And, again, last year we got 82 games out of Reggie and still ended up rationing CG's 50 active games down the stretch of the regular season trying to run CB, KCP, and Holiday at the PG2 sometimes. And the Suns aren't also ridiculously shallow at the other guard position. We are. Trey could end up being called into action at SG. Unless you think Spencer Jones, another 6'7" forward, is gonna get minutes this year there is no coherent argument for choosing not to retain both CG and Trey. I could see if someone had given CG a full time roster spot, but it was a two-way. It cost us nothing to have a 3rd year "break glass in case of emergency" guy whom everybody on the team already loves and knows how to play with. And we shipped him out for Pickett's sake. CG played 24 games amd in 10 of those games he played less than 5 minutes. He had 10 games above 15 minutes amd a few of those were blowouts. Westbrook replacing Jackson and using Alexander as the CG replacement is fine. I agree keeping CG over Pickett is a no brainer but if at any point in the season it becomes a relevant issue than we woulda been fucked no matter what. Murray missing 50+ games and Westbrook missing 30+. At that point your making a trade even if you did keep CG over Pickett. CG was never going to be a legitimate rotation piece and neither will Pickett.
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Post by Ring on Sept 7, 2024 19:58:43 GMT -5
It is what it is. Not a move that I'd make but the Nuggets still clearly believe in Murray. I don't think he'll ever be as bad as he was in last years playoffs. I hope not at least. I just really hope he understands the responsibility and commitment he needs to make going forward. Jokic clearly got it and changed his habits. Murray needs to do the same and stop acting like an arrogant prick when he plays poorly. Gun to my head I wouldn't bet on the Nuggets to win another Championship but maybe Murray will just be a guy who thrives in odd year playoff runs lol Not a move that you’d make? What move would you have made? I’m genuinely curious. Leave Jamal unsigned and risk losing him in free agency? Trade him for Trae Young? Someone else? I don’t get the mentality some fans have. Easy to say it’s not the move you’d make, but then you’d better have something up your sleeve that’s better. If not, then you’re just being an insane fan. I would have let this year play out. I don't think Murray is worth a max so the Nuggets would have been able to reset their core after this season. AG/Murray off the books, MPJ only 2 years left on his deal (last year not fully guaranteed) You're basically saying teams like the Pelicans should max out treadmill guys like CJ McCollum because there's no better option. Those are dumb moves. You don't hand out max contracts to guys who aren't all stars. The Nuggets now have 2 of those.
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