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Post by JB on May 8, 2024 8:54:18 GMT -5
a single win does not make a lick of difference in the grand scheme of things.
at least the beneficiary is a fanbase that is even more tortured than Nuggets fans and not some glamour franchise.
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Post by TNF on May 8, 2024 9:00:01 GMT -5
It's unfortunate that deal didn't work out, isn't it?
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Post by blackhill on May 8, 2024 9:20:05 GMT -5
I have not lost hope, I remember those comeback series. At same time, Giannis would probably love to pair with Joker
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Post by freakns on May 8, 2024 11:23:05 GMT -5
keeping Jamal, AG and MPJ is not even a question. those people are part of best starting 5 in basketball. no one sane would trade them. and MPJ and AG are doing their part of the deal. we are not beating Lakers without those two. Jokic playing lazy and Jamal being probably worst starter out of all who made it to second round is reason why Nuggets are in problems. but this team is already won Championship, and has tied best regular season in Nuggets history. if Jokic and Jamal start delivering, others aren't the problem. and yes, they both need to start playing at highest level. Edwards is not kicking our asses alone, KAT is doing it with him. and I dont care Jamal is not on same level as Jokic, I do expect excellence from both of them. we wouldn't win Championship without Jokic playing at transcendent level, but we wouldn't win it without Jamal playing like top 10 player in the league. no star has ever done it alone Sorry, we are very likely cooked for this year. DraftKings has us at +1200 to win the NBA title, which means less than a 10% chance we repeat for those who don’t bet. Basketball-Reference has an algorithm to determine odds, and they have us at a 1.4% chance to win title. www.basketball-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.htmlIt ain’t happening this year. We are too injured, too tired, too burned out, and too thin on the bench to repeat as champions. I know fans are supposed to cheerlead to get our spirits up, but realism has to come into play at this point. We are done. As to the future, after our last 57-win team in 2013, things got immediately worse. Much worse. Coach was fired. Iggy, the Mole, bolted. Gallo was out for the following season. The Shawful era began. In short, things fell apart. Nugglife indeed. Knowing this history, I wouldn’t be shocked if KCP opted out and bolted as a free agent, and if Malone is wooed to leave and take a head coaching job with an up-and-coming team, sorta like Tim Connelly bolting for Minny. Wouldn’t be shocked to learn that Murray has to undergo another surgical procedure to remove loose bodies in his repaired knee and will miss the first two months of the next season. Wouldn’t be terribly surprised if one of our other three starters is traded for depth to the roster. We will always have our championship, and we still have Jokic. So life is great. But stuff happens. And our time at the top of the NBA mountain may have passed. No, rock didn’t hack my account. we are NBA champions. and we are in second round of western conference. and we still have chance, no matter how small, to go further. so I really wouldn't call this "done". btw, last team that repeat was Curry-Durant Warriors, team created by biggest cap jump that we know of. before them, it was banana boat Heat. both of those teams were "only" two time champions. last three-pet we saw was Shaq-Kobe Lakers, by many two top 10 players of all time. and even for them, third title is biggest asterisk ever(game 6 down 3-2 against Kings, I'm sure you are familiar with it). and in Denver we have one generational player, who is lets say "defensively challenged" and 4 great role players(Jamal is role player, despite his playoff heroics). so expectations to win a title every year are just unrealistic. but if we can keep core of this team(Jokic/Murray/AG) for next 5 years, we have pretty good chances for another one. doesn't mean we would win it, but there is realistic chance and we will surely be contenders. btw, even if we, by some miracle, win title this year, we are not winning three in a row. its not going to happen in this NBA. ps. Malone isn't going anywhere. unless he and Jokic starts bumping heads, and I dont see that happening. |
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Post by jimijam28 on May 8, 2024 11:31:24 GMT -5
It's over
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Post by nuggetshipster on May 8, 2024 11:32:38 GMT -5
yes, the real mastermind. he didn't draft KAT nor McDaniels nor Edwards. he didn't bring Chris Finch. he traded their future for a guy who didn't even play yesterday. his only move would be getting rid of D Lo and getting NAW and Conley in return, which, I will admit is great. however, next season McDaniels contract is kicking in, and so is Ants. their contracts are 175M without Conley, SloMo and Monte. they might get to resign Conley if he decides to give them friendly deal and play for 15M or less. or they may keep SloMo or Monte. the only thing that "mastermind" did was took Gobert for 50M and traded 175 first rounders, and the only reason he could do that was fact that Ant was on his rookie deal. having top 10, arguably top 5 player in the league on rookie deal is his whole genius. oh, and he didn't drafted him! knowing his history, who knows, maybe he would traded him for Wiseman. or he would drafted Wiseman first. He literally was in Denver drafting Jokic, MPJ, Murray and trading for Gordon How tf you gonna hold not drafting KAT against him lmao |
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Post by nuggetshipster on May 8, 2024 11:35:49 GMT -5
yes, the real mastermind. he didn't draft KAT nor McDaniels nor Edwards. he didn't bring Chris Finch. he traded their future for a guy who didn't even play yesterday. his only move would be getting rid of D Lo and getting NAW and Conley in return, which, I will admit is great. however, next season McDaniels contract is kicking in, and so is Ants. their contracts are 175M without Conley, SloMo and Monte. they might get to resign Conley if he decides to give them friendly deal and play for 15M or less. or they may keep SloMo or Monte. the only thing that "mastermind" did was took Gobert for 50M and traded 175 first rounders, and the only reason he could do that was fact that Ant was on his rookie deal. having top 10, arguably top 5 player in the league on rookie deal is his whole genius. oh, and he didn't drafted him! knowing his history, who knows, maybe he would traded him for Wiseman. or he would drafted Wiseman first. And my guy. TC literally hired Finch when he was in Denver. Not his fault Kroenkes were too cheap to keep him. What a joke of an arguement that TC didn’t hire Finch. Like whaaaat |
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Post by JB on May 8, 2024 11:41:08 GMT -5
Tim pretty much has to trade KAT without taking salary back and make the Wolves better at the same time. he can prove his mastermind credentials by pulling that rabbit out his hat.
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Post by rock on May 8, 2024 11:49:01 GMT -5
Let’s not forget the fact that we 100% do not win a title if we still had TC
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Post by rock on May 8, 2024 11:50:16 GMT -5
Also we are tied for 2nd for most nba championships in the last ten years.
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Post by JB on May 8, 2024 11:53:11 GMT -5
Let’s not forget the fact that we 100% do not win a title if we still had TC this is objective 100% facts Tim is not trading both of his close friends for a defensive role player Tim is not signing a player that was a 6'4 center in Brooklyn with the MLE Tim is not drafting Braun even if they gave him an extra pick |
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Post by nuggetshipster on May 8, 2024 11:55:13 GMT -5
Tim pretty much has to trade KAT without taking salary back and make the Wolves better at the same time. he can prove his mastermind credentials by pulling that rabbit out his hat. Nuggets/Minny windy b2b rings he don’t have to prove s**t. Man knows basketball better than everyone here combined. |
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Post by JB on May 8, 2024 11:56:43 GMT -5
he probably does, but that is a strawman that nobody is arguing.
Tim turned what should be a 10 year run into like a two year run because he thought Gogurt was the only way to stop Joker.
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Post by freakns on May 8, 2024 13:52:09 GMT -5
Tim pretty much has to trade KAT without taking salary back and make the Wolves better at the same time. he can prove his mastermind credentials by pulling that rabbit out his hat. Nuggets/Minny windy b2b rings he don’t have to prove s**t. Man knows basketball better than everyone here combined. ofc he doesn't have to prove anything to us even if he doesn't win a ring with Minnesota. and ofc he knows basketball better then all of us combined... you included. I'm also not claiming he doesn't know basketball. I'm not saying he is bad GM. What I'm saying is he hasn't built a team with idea how to stop Nuggets. Three most important pieces in that team, Edwards, KAT and McDaniels were already there when he come. Unless you are claiming bringing Gobert was crucial move? Please do, so we can have good laugh. God knows this forum needs one after yesterday's game. |
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Post by Ring on May 8, 2024 14:02:05 GMT -5
Nuggets/Minny windy b2b rings he don’t have to prove s**t. Man knows basketball better than everyone here combined. ofc he doesn't have to prove anything to us even if he doesn't win a ring with Minnesota. and ofc he knows basketball better then all of us combined... you included. I'm also not claiming he doesn't know basketball. I'm not saying he is bad GM. What I'm saying is he hasn't built a team with idea how to stop Nuggets. Three most important pieces in that team, Edwards, KAT and McDaniels were already there when he come. Unless you are claiming bringing Gobert was crucial move? Please do, so we can have good laugh. God knows this forum needs one after yesterday's game. Bringing in Conley/Gobert was absolutely a crucial move and one that is putting their roster over the top. Pretending like a 4X DPOY isn't an elite player is hilarious. The Wolves are able to play much more physical defense and take more risks than any other teams because they have Gobert protecting the rim. Also is an elite rebounder. Tim is an elite GM. There is no denying it. I wasn't his biggest fan but the proof is in the pudding. He's now built 2 contenders and did it in very different ways. Everyone s**t all over the guy for the Conley/Gobert deal and he's getting the last laugh. |
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Post by JB on May 8, 2024 14:15:31 GMT -5
Jamal Murray averaged 27/6/6 on 59.8 TS% and Joker averaged 26/12/9 on 57.5 TS% against the Gobert and the T'pups last year
we'll see how elite that defense looks when non-injured Shai or non-injured Kyrie & Luka are hunting the switch and has Gobert dancing on hot coals.
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Post by Ring on May 8, 2024 14:20:51 GMT -5
Jamal Murray averaged 27/6/6 on 59.8 TS% and Joker averaged 26/12/9 on 57.5 TS% against the Gobert and the T'pups last year we'll see how elite that defense looks when non-injured Shai or non-injured Kyrie & Luka are hunting the switch and has Gobert dancing on hot coals. The narrative that Gobert can't guard on the perimeter is a dumb one. He's a fantastic perimeter defender for a big. Does he get beat? Of course. But so does every other elite defender in the NBA. Gobert was a + after Game 1 in that series. Look at how Gobert defended the Suns when they had him switched out? He held up just fine. He's as elite of a defensive C as you're going to find in the NBA and is very impactful. |
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Post by JB on May 8, 2024 14:25:50 GMT -5
yes, he looked elite against the Phoenix Shooting Guards that contain 0 elite ballhandlers and just want to shoot the most ineffective shot in basketball, the midrange
he's nowhere near the versatility to defend the perimeter like AD. that will be apparent very soon.
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Post by JB on May 8, 2024 14:35:48 GMT -5
never forget Edward's coming out party was actually last year but nobody cared because we comfortably put him and Mr 4xDPOY to bed in 5 games.
it was nice to have a healthy team then.
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Post by Ring on May 8, 2024 14:51:07 GMT -5
never forget Edward's coming out party was actually last year but nobody cared because we comfortably put him and Mr 4xDPOY to bed in 5 games. it was nice to have a healthy team then. The Wolves were also missing McDaniels/Reid though. If both were healthy that series was probably going 7. Nuggets missing Bruces ball handling is such a bummer this year  |
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