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Post by Miura on May 11, 2024 5:08:58 GMT -5
Side note: I wonder if the blatant disrespect to Joker after winning his 3rd MVP has further galvanised the playing group. No other 3x MVP has ever been so disrespected. Nuggets be playing with a controlled anger in game 3 and I loved it. I am still bothered by that 1 assist, MPJ missing underneath the basket for it (how can one miss that), then Murray missing open 3. As I said just for Shaq, it would have been wonderfull headline. Guess I am too greedy. |
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Post by JB on May 11, 2024 9:11:05 GMT -5
Nug win Oil win Av lose - the holy trinity.
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Post by scooter on May 11, 2024 10:50:33 GMT -5
Well that was a lot more fun!
The Nuggets protected the ball, made excellent passes, and hit shots. The TWolves looked nervous and I think they may be less good if they are playing bigger with all of their bigs playing. KAT reminded us why he’s an underachiever relative to talent, managing to shoot 4-5 from three and go -32 for the game. The Nuggets appeared to have the benefit of some very good coaching between games. And Holiday continues to give Malone good reason to play him ahead of Watson, who looked a bit out of control even in garbage time.
I have no idea what is a foul as it appears that crew chiefs are determining the rules of the sport on a game to game basis. Monday’s game would have had 100 fouls if it had been officiated the same as last night’s game. I’m not going to support Murray’s temper tantrum in that game, but kinda understand a super high level of frustration as I thought that by that point in the first half he had been already fouled about 25 times based on the “no hand-checking on offensive players facing the basket” rule the NBA implemented in 1999 and hasn’t changed in its published rules since. I get it playoff officiating has long been a variation of the written rules, but the way Monday’s game was called had little resemblance to the league’s written rules. I think that this offseason there will be a lot of behind the scenes scrambling to get some clarity back into the rules.
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Post by scooter on May 11, 2024 15:05:47 GMT -5
Official NBA Rule 12 (in part):
B. Personal Foul
Section I—Types
“A player shall not hold, push, charge into, impede the progress of an opponent by extending a hand, arm, leg or knee or by bending the body into a position that is not normal. Contact that results in the re-routing of an opponent is a foul which must be called immediately.
Contact initiated by the defensive player guarding a player with the ball is not legal. This contact includes, but is not limited to, forearm, hands, or body check.
EXCEPTIONS:
A defender may apply contact with a forearm to an offensive player with the ball who has his back to the basket below the free throw line extended outside the Lower Defensive Box.
A defender may apply contact with a forearm and/or one hand with a bent elbow to an offensive player in a post-up position with the ball in the Lower Defensive Box.
A defender may apply contact with a forearm to an offensive player with the ball at any time in the Lower Defensive Box. The forearm in the above exceptions is solely for the purpose of maintaining a defensive position.
A defender may position his leg between the legs of an offensive player in a post-up position in the Lower Defensive Box for the purpose of maintaining defensive position. If his foot leaves the floor in an attempt to dislodge his opponent, it is a foul immediately.
Incidental contact with the hand against an offensive player shall be ignored if it does not affect the player’s speed, quickness, balance and/or rhythm.”
The refs in games 1 and 2 ignored these rules many dozens of times — especially “contact that results in the re-routing of an opponent is a foul which must be called immediately.” The league shouldn’t have these written rules and then have unwritten rules that contradict them, and I don’t care what “in my day” cliches are used by retired players to justify officiating which clearly contradicts the league’s written rules.
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Post by JB on May 11, 2024 15:48:30 GMT -5
as coach duh alluded to earlier, the Nuggets screening with a purpose broke the Wolves defense and the refs acted accordingly. when the Nuggets allowed the Wolves to defend them in a vacuum, the refs acted accordingly.
just control what you can and live with the result.
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Post by jimijam28 on May 11, 2024 15:54:54 GMT -5
It's simple play like pussy get bad calls
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Post by JB on May 11, 2024 16:45:58 GMT -5
the most physically intimidating defensive juggernaut since the Bad Boy Pistons crashed out over... a stationary screen by Jokic.
Tpup fans everywhere I look still crying over Jamal not getting suspended.
our Twin Cities bros are not handling the loss very well.
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Post by rock on May 11, 2024 16:58:14 GMT -5
Well game 3 was much more enjoyable than 1&2 to say the least. Turns out it’s harder to win when you aren’t allowed to mug the opponents on every play.
Glad we didn’t get swept but we absolutely need game 4. We are still huge underdogs. Hope they come out with the same focus tomorrow and the refs call the game properly.
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Post by scooter on May 11, 2024 17:18:42 GMT -5
as coach duh alluded to earlier, the Nuggets screening with a purpose broke the Wolves defense and the refs acted accordingly. when the Nuggets allowed the Wolves to defend them in a vacuum, the refs acted accordingly. just control what you can and live with the result. That’s what coaches have to tell players. As a fan, I don’t have to like officiating which follows the league’s written rules half the time. The same is true of team management, which makes personnel decisions based in part on these rules. If the rules are going to be different, teams need to know so they can plan accordingly. The owners have a rules committee to study the rules and decide what they should be. It’s not the refs’ job to determine the rules of the sport. They are supposed to follow and enforce the rules 100% of the time to the best of their ability. Because refs are human and are going to make mistakes, it’s understandable if they enforce them as written something like 95% of the time. It’s not OK if its 50% of the time. In game 2 (I had to miss game 1), the crew was routinely allowing perimeter checking — hands, arms, body — which impeded the motion of offensive players. It wasn’t as if they missed a call or two — it was happening on every possession, often 3 or 4 times. That is using some unwritten rule to overrule the written rules, which is BS. |
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Post by JB on May 11, 2024 17:34:52 GMT -5
teams with a defensive identity have always been given the benefit of the doubt. the Spurs took advantage of that fact en route to 4 titles (I'm not counting 2014 as they were amazing offensively), Draymond Green would be Draymond Greenland if he was drafted by the Hornets.
it is what it is. G2 Nuggets played into the Wolves hands defensively and got embarrassed, G3 Nuggets called their bluff and broke their defense, which broke their offense. there's a reason coaches say that phrase. it's because it's true.
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Post by famicommander on May 11, 2024 18:24:55 GMT -5
Reggie seems to have hurt his calf on that last play, not the ankle.
Our injury report
Jamal Murray - questionable (calf)
KCP - questionable (abdominal contusion)
Reggie Jackson - questionable (calf)
Vlatko Cancar - out (knee)
Our guards have really taken a beating these playoffs. Hopefully they can continue to give us minutes, otherwise a ton of pressure falls on CB and Holiday.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on May 11, 2024 19:20:58 GMT -5
teams with a defensive identity have always been given the benefit of the doubt. Likewise, players with a rep as great scorers are given the benefit of the doubt on marginal contact. Guys like Embiid, Harden, Luka, and Shai can shoot off balance and get FT (at least in the regular season) from just a slight touch. |
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Post by duh88 on May 12, 2024 3:22:27 GMT -5
as coach duh alluded to earlier, the Nuggets screening with a purpose broke the Wolves defense and the refs acted accordingly. when the Nuggets allowed the Wolves to defend them in a vacuum, the refs acted accordingly. just control what you can and live with the result. That’s what coaches have to tell players. As a fan, I don’t have to like officiating which follows the league’s written rules half the time. The same is true of team management, which makes personnel decisions based in part on these rules. If the rules are going to be different, teams need to know so they can plan accordingly. The owners have a rules committee to study the rules and decide what they should be. It’s not the refs’ job to determine the rules of the sport. They are supposed to follow and enforce the rules 100% of the time to the best of their ability. Because refs are human and are going to make mistakes, it’s understandable if they enforce them as written something like 95% of the time. It’s not OK if its 50% of the time. In game 2 (I had to miss game 1), the crew was routinely allowing perimeter checking — hands, arms, body — which impeded the motion of offensive players. It wasn’t as if they missed a call or two — it was happening on every possession, often 3 or 4 times. That is using some unwritten rule to overrule the written rules, which is BS. My disagreement is - Our guys really didn’t try in game 2. Everyone sucked - the screens were half-hearted (even if initiated) and our guys didn’t even utilize the screener properly. Again, when defenses play you so tight, either (1) bait and draw contact or (2) punish them with screens. We found out that Minny’s players don’t like getting hit. A couple nasty screen-hits, and their players lose their ability to shoot. As I said - minny is in a tough spot. Continue facing the punishing screens and get fatigued, or avoid them and give Murray space. I think minny tonight will give Jamal space - and I think they’re going to get roasted. |
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Post by scooter on May 12, 2024 12:02:32 GMT -5
teams with a defensive identity have always been given the benefit of the doubt. the Spurs took advantage of that fact en route to 4 titles (I'm not counting 2014 as they were amazing offensively), Draymond Green would be Draymond Greenland if he was drafted by the Hornets. it is what it is. G2 Nuggets played into the Wolves hands defensively and got embarrassed, G3 Nuggets called their bluff and broke their defense, which broke their offense. there's a reason coaches say that phrase. it's because it's true. I didn’t like it when the Spurs used these tactics 20 years ago. They’d start the games using little fouls over and over and over again (holding a perimeter player for a second, then letting go, then grabbing again for a second etc. etc.; or getting into shooters’ space to lower shooting percentages), and push the refs not to call these “small fouls” out of a sense that the games would be crappy if the whistle was blowing every possession and the players were in foul trouble. Next thing you know you’ve changed the rules. I’ve never liked it and don’t think “it is what it is” is a good excuse for bad officiating. The refs shouldn’t allow themselves to be manipulated into changing the rules. They should call the rules as written against both teams without regard to “benefit of the doubt.” While there will always be some doubt on particular plays, the refs shouldn’t allow teams to move the proverbial goal posts. Players and coaches have a right to know in advance the rules of the game. |
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