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Post by rock on May 7, 2024 21:27:31 GMT -5
I hope minnesota has to deal with their cap issues like we are. Seems like no other team (maybe Phoenix) has salary issues but us.
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Post by JB on May 7, 2024 21:38:34 GMT -5
They'll have three supermax deals on the books this summer so yes, their day of reckoning is coming.
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Post by wizardofcozz on May 7, 2024 21:40:43 GMT -5
I hope minnesota has to deal with their cap issues like we are. Seems like no other team (maybe Phoenix) has salary issues but us. BOS, DEN, GS, LAC, MIA, MIL, PHX are over 2nd apron (over $170,000,000) DAL, LAL, MEM, MIN, NOP, OKC NYK, PHI, all over 1st apron and approaching 2nd. (Over $160,000,000) MIN and OKC especially will have some tough decisions to make though OKC has so much flexibility because of all their picks. |
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Post by mnwild1128 on May 7, 2024 21:54:35 GMT -5
Lets open this now. No point in waiting. This series looks to be over. Wolves are 2-0 up, won both games in Denver, and now in game 3 Nuggets might be even without Murray who will face either fine or suspension. Jokic looks tired, AG looks spent, KCP is overwhelmed. The only one with any energy in that starting lineup is MPJ. Nuggets have been totally outclassed in these two games, and honestly, can't see how they can come back from this. Its gotten to the point where people already talking they are going to get swept. And it looks like it. With all that said, there is something, and I can't describe what, that is telling me this isn't over. I think Nuggets are going to win this series. I don't know why nor how, but we are going to win. This team hasn't look like last year champions all of the playoffs. There is no hunger, there is no urge, and they are injured and tired. And I don't think they have it. We saw it couple of times this season, they were capable of turning it on, and playing shut down defense in crunch time. But in this series, their defense is bad, really bad. I know they are held to 80 points, and everything is pointing towards offense, but if you ask me, its all about defense. You are not going to unlock that defense with half court offense. Wolves are playing hard, fouling Nuggets from first possession. But you know what happens when team plays like that? Refs are stop calling fouls. So you have to answer with same energy, same physicality. So that's what Nuggets have to do. Play physical. Get CB more minutes, he deserves it, and honestly, he is the guy who can bother Edwards more then KCP. And he is healthier then KCP. Aaron Gordon needs to find his balls and fight KAT. And Jokic needs to be ready to go into the dirt, and work like horse for every single bucket. Cause that's what is going to take. And I believe Nuggets are up for a challenge. So call me crazy, but, Nuggets in 7... LFG! As bad as people talk about the defense. Reality is that MIN has scored 106 both games. That's not great, and if we could just cut our TO's down it would be even less. I think 90% of the issues are offense not defense. Personally. Wolves have the number 1 offense in the playoffs thus far. You do realize we are the number 1 defense also right? The 106 points means nothing when no one can score on us. Nothing the wolves are doing is unrepeatable. They aren't shooting crazy hot. Nothing flukey. It is all try hard and want and buy in. And that roster wants to do those things. I am watching every other playoff series along the way also. And no other team is as aggressive as the wolves are. They are by far the best team so far in the playoffs and its not really even close. |
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Post by mnwild1128 on May 7, 2024 21:57:53 GMT -5
I hope minnesota has to deal with their cap issues like we are. Seems like no other team (maybe Phoenix) has salary issues but us. The wolves have the ability to keep this roster together for next season. The owners will pay to run it back in the 1st season of the new cba. Year 2 depending on what happens would the year they maybe vhsnge things up financially. This summer the only players they may lose one of or both of is Monte Morris and Kyle Anderson. Unless they are willing to take big discounts to run it back. I suspect one of them might since all of Jaden, Naz and Conley all took discounts to come back and make it easier to keep the main core together. |
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Post by rock on May 7, 2024 22:24:31 GMT -5
I hope minnesota has to deal with their cap issues like we are. Seems like no other team (maybe Phoenix) has salary issues but us. The wolves have the ability to keep this roster together for next season. The owners will pay to run it back in the 1st season of the new cba. Year 2 depending on what happens would the year they maybe vhsnge things up financially. This summer the only players they may lose one of or both of is Monte Morris and Kyle Anderson. Unless they are willing to take big discounts to run it back. I suspect one of them might since all of Jaden, Naz and Conley all took discounts to come back and make it easier to keep the main core together. You don’t even know who the owners will be, so not 100% sure this is all true. But no way they can keep the core long term. |
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Post by freakns on May 8, 2024 0:03:19 GMT -5
this forum is like Jokic on defense. no fire in you guys.
we are f***ing champions! this team shown more then ones they will fight! I understand Jamal is playing like s**t and Jokic is most likely worst defensive player in postseason, but they are still not out! yes, the task in front of them looks impossible, yes they have been totally and utterly dominated to the point of embarrassment, yes they are looking like they realized they have no answer... but I'm telling you, if Jokic becomes anything other then traffic cone on defense, we have a fighting chance!
so at least stop talking about offseason(outside of rock, for him next offseason become most important topic after first loss in regular season)
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Post by Coach Sticky on May 8, 2024 0:19:00 GMT -5
I won't be watching this game and the rest of the series. Back to Knicks basketball only for me. However, I wish you fine gentlemen the best of luck the rest of the series against Minnesota. In case, Denver advances to the WCF, I'll be back posting. Otherwise, I will post occasionally in the summer and next season. Bye Knicks guy |
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Post by nuggetshipster on May 8, 2024 0:54:02 GMT -5
I hope we get swept. I hope we lose the next two games by a combined 100 points. the FO had insulated themselves in this self-congratulatory bubble after winning a championship and was operating under the assumption that Calvin Booth was some basketball genius that had gamed the system. they are now reaping what they sowed. this is the only way they are going to change course, maximum embarrassment to their collective ego. I agree but getting swept does nothing. The real mastermind aka TC have already gone to our biggest rival |
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Post by Miura on May 8, 2024 4:10:10 GMT -5
I am with not giving up crowd.
Nuggets are current champions and have the best player in the league on their team. Hoping all players get their composure back and punch back, and punch hard.
As for those talking about replacing MPJ, AG or Murray... No I would not give any of those three, just get bench better so they play little less during the season and if they feel unhealthy give them rest straight away, don't play/risk them getting worse.
They deserve to stay together in Nuggets uniform, that is if they wish to stay. If someone want's to leave, then be it. And YES, keep KCP if he wants to be here, 100%.
Locker room chemistry is also a big part of last years tile.
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Post by freakns on May 8, 2024 4:21:19 GMT -5
yes, the real mastermind.
he didn't draft KAT nor McDaniels nor Edwards. he didn't bring Chris Finch. he traded their future for a guy who didn't even play yesterday. his only move would be getting rid of D Lo and getting NAW and Conley in return, which, I will admit is great.
however, next season McDaniels contract is kicking in, and so is Ants. their contracts are 175M without Conley, SloMo and Monte. they might get to resign Conley if he decides to give them friendly deal and play for 15M or less. or they may keep SloMo or Monte. the only thing that "mastermind" did was took Gobert for 50M and traded 175 first rounders, and the only reason he could do that was fact that Ant was on his rookie deal. having top 10, arguably top 5 player in the league on rookie deal is his whole genius. oh, and he didn't drafted him! knowing his history, who knows, maybe he would traded him for Wiseman. or he would drafted Wiseman first.
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Post by freakns on May 8, 2024 4:30:47 GMT -5
I am with not giving up crowd. Nuggets are current champions and have the best player in the league on their team. Hoping all players get their composure back and punch back, and punch hard. As for those talking about replacing MPJ, AG or Murray... No I would not give any of those three, just get bench better so they play little less during the season and if they feel unhealthy give them rest straight away, don't play/risk them getting worse. They deserve to stay together in Nuggets uniform, that is if they wish to stay. If someone want's to leave, then be it. And YES, keep KCP if he wants to be here, 100%. Locker room chemistry is also a big part of last years tile. keeping Jamal, AG and MPJ is not even a question. those people are part of best starting 5 in basketball. no one sane would trade them. and MPJ and AG are doing their part of the deal. we are not beating Lakers without those two. Jokic playing lazy and Jamal being probably worst starter out of all who made it to second round is reason why Nuggets are in problems. but this team is already won Championship, and has tied best regular season in Nuggets history. if Jokic and Jamal start delivering, others aren't the problem. and yes, they both need to start playing at highest level. Edwards is not kicking our asses alone, KAT is doing it with him. and I dont care Jamal is not on same level as Jokic, I do expect excellence from both of them. we wouldn't win Championship without Jokic playing at transcendent level, but we wouldn't win it without Jamal playing like top 10 player in the league. no star has ever done it alone |
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Post by GBG on May 8, 2024 7:55:04 GMT -5
yes, the real mastermind. he didn't draft KAT nor McDaniels nor Edwards. he didn't bring Chris Finch. he traded their future for a guy who didn't even play yesterday. his only move would be getting rid of D Lo and getting NAW and Conley in return, which, I will admit is great. however, next season McDaniels contract is kicking in, and so is Ants. their contracts are 175M without Conley, SloMo and Monte. they might get to resign Conley if he decides to give them friendly deal and play for 15M or less. or they may keep SloMo or Monte. the only thing that "mastermind" did was took Gobert for 50M and traded 175 first rounders, and the only reason he could do that was fact that Ant was on his rookie deal. having top 10, arguably top 5 player in the league on rookie deal is his whole genius. oh, and he didn't drafted him! knowing his history, who knows, maybe he would traded him for Wiseman. or he would drafted Wiseman first. It is indeed startling and laughable that folks like you forget that TC signed Kyle Anderson to a two year deal on July 7, 2022. Slo Mo might be the best single role player as a “connector” in the NBA. He is always overlooked. But having a guy like him is what keeps their team going when they have players unable to play such as game 2. He does a little bit of everything. Scores if needed, rebounds, gets assists, and defends with his length. He’s slow and unathletic, but he is very similar to a Boris Diaw. Jokic gave Slo Mo his flowers in his presser after game 2, twice calling him a high IQ player. And you gave TC zero credit for bringing Slo Mo to Minneapolis. This shows Anderson is probably also the most underrated player in the league. TC also brought Monte Morris to the Wolves too. He’s done the little things to make Wolves a true championship contender. |
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Post by GBG on May 8, 2024 8:03:06 GMT -5
I am with not giving up crowd. Nuggets are current champions and have the best player in the league on their team. Hoping all players get their composure back and punch back, and punch hard. As for those talking about replacing MPJ, AG or Murray... No I would not give any of those three, just get bench better so they play little less during the season and if they feel unhealthy give them rest straight away, don't play/risk them getting worse. They deserve to stay together in Nuggets uniform, that is if they wish to stay. If someone want's to leave, then be it. And YES, keep KCP if he wants to be here, 100%. Locker room chemistry is also a big part of last years tile. keeping Jamal, AG and MPJ is not even a question. those people are part of best starting 5 in basketball. no one sane would trade them. and MPJ and AG are doing their part of the deal. we are not beating Lakers without those two. Jokic playing lazy and Jamal being probably worst starter out of all who made it to second round is reason why Nuggets are in problems. but this team is already won Championship, and has tied best regular season in Nuggets history. if Jokic and Jamal start delivering, others aren't the problem. and yes, they both need to start playing at highest level. Edwards is not kicking our asses alone, KAT is doing it with him. and I dont care Jamal is not on same level as Jokic, I do expect excellence from both of them. we wouldn't win Championship without Jokic playing at transcendent level, but we wouldn't win it without Jamal playing like top 10 player in the league. no star has ever done it alone Sorry, we are very likely cooked for this year. DraftKings has us at +1200 to win the NBA title, which means less than a 10% chance we repeat for those who don’t bet. Basketball-Reference has an algorithm to determine odds, and they have us at a 1.4% chance to win title. www.basketball-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.htmlIt ain’t happening this year. We are too injured, too tired, too burned out, and too thin on the bench to repeat as champions. I know fans are supposed to cheerlead to get our spirits up, but realism has to come into play at this point. We are done. As to the future, after our last 57-win team in 2013, things got immediately worse. Much worse. Coach was fired. Iggy, the Mole, bolted. Gallo was out for the following season. The Shawful era began. In short, things fell apart. Nugglife indeed. Knowing this history, I wouldn’t be shocked if KCP opted out and bolted as a free agent, and if Malone is wooed to leave and take a head coaching job with an up-and-coming team, sorta like Tim Connelly bolting for Minny. Wouldn’t be shocked to learn that Murray has to undergo another surgical procedure to remove loose bodies in his repaired knee and will miss the first two months of the next season. Wouldn’t be terribly surprised if one of our other three starters is traded for depth to the roster. We will always have our championship, and we still have Jokic. So life is great. But stuff happens. And our time at the top of the NBA mountain may have passed. No, rock didn’t hack my account. |
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Post by JB on May 8, 2024 8:05:17 GMT -5
Tim also tried to trade Naz Reid for his draft pick Bones Hyland, which Josh vetoed. it was like an idiot battle which we came up on the short end of.
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Post by GBG on May 8, 2024 8:12:40 GMT -5
Tim also tried to trade Naz Reid for his draft pick Bones Hyland, which Josh vetoed. it was like an idiot battle which we came up on the short end of. We don’t know that for a fact, nor do we know the whole details. But you keep your narratives going. |
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Post by JB on May 8, 2024 8:19:23 GMT -5
we know for a fact that the Nuggets and Tim had a deal done but Nugget ownership backed out at the 5 yard line: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10z17xk/wolfson_another_deal_was_close_at_the_trade/
unless you believe Twin Cities based sports journalist Darren Wolfson is promoting fake news for some bizarre reason.
we also know the Nuggets ultimately traded for a backup center and the Wolves were still undecided on Naz Reid's extension at the time, given they had already had two centers on the roster being paid the supermax.
it does not take a theoretical physicist to put 2 and 2 together.
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Post by GBG on May 8, 2024 8:25:05 GMT -5
we know for a fact that the Nuggets and Tim had a deal done but Nugget ownership backed out at the 5 yard line: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10z17xk/wolfson_another_deal_was_close_at_the_trade/ unless you believe Twin Cities based sports journalist Darren Wolfson is promoting fake news for some bizarre reason. we also know the Nuggets ultimately traded for a backup center and the Wolves were still undecided on Naz Reid's extension at the time, given they had already had two centers on the roster being paid the supermax. it does not take a theoretical physicist to put 2 and 2 together. You keep your narratives going, as I said. |
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Post by JB on May 8, 2024 8:33:19 GMT -5
just like it's not 'trolling' if it's the truth
it's not a 'narrative' if evidence is provided.
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Post by somborshuffle on May 8, 2024 8:52:34 GMT -5
Anyway so as much as this series is over, how much does one single win in game 3 change everything?
I can't believe that this team will go out like this.
I refuse to give up hope. In the face of no reason to have faith, I will keep faith unless we lose game 3.
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