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Post by famicommander on Oct 4, 2024 14:45:42 GMT -5
I don't think Vlatko projects to play any SF If that was the case they'd have been trying him as backup SF with Watson out. There's more to shooting than just percentages. Tyson should be a decent floor spacer this year. After the Braun Strawther Watson group there is very clearly Tyson. You'll have to come to terms with that lol. They have zero wing depth so Tyson is 1 injury away from a significant role You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. At all. Cancar will definitely play plenty of small forward this year. Tyson cannot defend or rebound or pass or dribble or box out and he is not at all proven to be even as good of a shooter as Cancar, let alone better. |
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Post by snakemonkey on Oct 4, 2024 14:53:45 GMT -5
We will see. If they were planning to play Vlatko there why wouldn't they have gone to it? I've seen quite a bit practice footage and a full game and clearly they don't see Cancar as a wing
And they're stacked at PF and desperate for anything on the wings.
If you watch Vlatko and Tyson play and think they play same role I don't know what to tell you
Vlatko is a better player but Vlatko at the 3 is going to be a pretty clunky fit with 2 of Saric AG Jokic DJ Nnaji.
You also have large overlap where half of Denvers top 8 rotation will be dared to shoot all year so they desperately need guys like Strawther or Tyson to come on and space the floor.
Tyson is probably going to be an option at the 2guard too lol, they had him chasing around guards in practice.
They have no depth man. Hunter Tyson is likely the 11th man on this roster, and 11th men feature over the 82
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Post by famicommander on Oct 4, 2024 15:12:42 GMT -5
We have seen Vlako play the SF for this team already. He's a 6 year NBA vet.
Tyson is absolutely not going to be an option at the SG. You are insane. He can't dribble and he's as slow as DeAndre. You need ball skills to play wing and Vlatko's ball skills are drastically better across the board.
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Post by snakemonkey on Oct 4, 2024 15:19:22 GMT -5
When they have no shooting they'll have to consider everything. Especially in Jokic lineups. You can't give him Russ AG Watson
Braun and Watson will be dared to shoot all year and Strawther is very streaky. Enter hunter tyson.
Malone might play the piss out of him right from the jump to show Booth how garbage his roster is
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Post by famicommander on Oct 4, 2024 15:21:05 GMT -5
When they have no shooting they'll have to consider everything. Especially in Jokic lineups. You can't give him Russ AG Watson Braun and Watson will be dared to shoot all year and Strawther is very streaky. Enter hunter tyson. Malone might play the piss out of him right from the jump to show Booth how garbage his roster is Hunter Tyson is not a proven NBA shooter. Get that through your skull. He does literally everything a basketball player can do on a court worse than Vlatko Cancar does. |
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Post by Ring on Oct 4, 2024 15:22:31 GMT -5
Hunter was +13 today, Vlatko -11.
No idea why you guys are arguing about meaningless s**t. Did Justin Holiday win/lose the Nuggets games last year? No. The 11th/12th guys don't matter. Almost all NBA teams have 7-9 NBA players and then scrubs.
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Post by famicommander on Oct 4, 2024 15:26:01 GMT -5
Hunter was +13 today, Vlatko -11. Small sample sizes and Vlatko played with the scrubs after Tyson fouled out. Today was just about knocking off the rust for Vlatko, all we needed to see from him was a good response from his knee. |
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Post by Ring on Oct 4, 2024 15:29:01 GMT -5
Hunter was +13 today, Vlatko -11. Small sample sizes and Vlatko played with the scrubs after Tyson fouled out. Today was just about knocking off the rust for Vlatko, all we needed to see from him was a good response from his knee. The bottom line is if either Vlatko or Tyson are getting minutes, something went wrong. Murray-Braun-MPJ-AG-Jokic Russ-Strawther-Watson-Saric That's going to be the 9 man rotation. There's no need for a 10th/11th guy unless you're on a b2b. Booth royally fucked us with the Zeke contract. You can't be paying a non-rotation player 8M a year. It's insane. Calvin very simply is a guy who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. When stuff works (KCP trade, Braun/Watson picks) he looks like a genius. When stuff doesn't work (Pickett, Tyson, Zeke) he looks like a guy who doesn't belong in a front office. Not what you really want from a GM. You want some level of consistency. Booth is seemingly boom or bust. And the Pickett/Tyson stuff doesn't even bother anyone if he doesn't guarantee their contracts. Just an insane decision. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 4, 2024 15:32:06 GMT -5
Small sample sizes and Vlatko played with the scrubs after Tyson fouled out. Today was just about knocking off the rust for Vlatko, all we needed to see from him was a good response from his knee. The bottom line is if either Vlatko or Tyson are getting minutes, something went wrong. Murray-Braun-MPJ-AG-Jokic Russ-Strawther-Watson-Saric That's going to be the 9 man rotation. There's no need for a 10th/11th guy unless you're on a b2b. Booth royally fucked us with the Zeke contract. You can't be paying a non-rotation player 8M a year. It's insane. I've been saying for this entire thread that we'd mostly run a 9 man rotation and Vlatko would soak up the margins, you don't have to explain it to me. I'm just saying that the difference between Cancar and Tyson is absolutely drastic and if we do need a 10th guy it's obviously Vlatko. And the 11th guy is not Tyson, either. It's Trey if we need a guard, DeAndre if we need to replace Joker or maybe Saric, and Zeke if it's any forward coming out. |
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Post by JB on Oct 4, 2024 15:36:45 GMT -5
Booth is playing the hand he was dealt. the Zeke contract made sense in real time, young player with decent upside. he either hits and you have a steal or he plateaus and you trade him for a Jordan Clarkson type, because it's literally impossible to trade vet mins and rookie scale contracts for a guy making 10m or more. it's a disaster in hindsight because a mystery injury befell Zeke and his confidence cratered, but you can't plan for that. and still, the Clippers would've taken him + MPJ for PG if we had picks.
if Strawther hits, Booth's plan is a success.
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Post by famicommander on Oct 4, 2024 15:41:39 GMT -5
Booth is playing the hand he was dealt. the Zeke contract made sense in real time, young player with decent upside. he either hits and you have a steal or he plateaus and you trade him for a Jordan Clarkson type, because it's literally impossible to trade vet mins and rookie scale contracts for a guy making 10m or more. it's a disaster in hindsight because a mystery injury befell Zeke and his confidence cratered, but you can't plan for that. and still, the Clippers would've taken him + MPJ for PG if we had picks. if Strawther hits, Booth's plan is a success. No, it didn't make sense at the time. A huge chunk of us were relieved that we were free of Zeke and were immediately pissed off when the deal was announced. He did not look like an NBA player in the entire year leading up to getting that contract. And then we gave him four years for way too much money despite the fact that his ball skills have not improved one iota in his career to this point. |
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Post by GBG on Oct 4, 2024 15:54:27 GMT -5
I thought Zeke looked pretty damn good today, but that’s just me.
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Post by JB on Oct 4, 2024 16:03:00 GMT -5
Booth is playing the hand he was dealt. the Zeke contract made sense in real time, young player with decent upside. he either hits and you have a steal or he plateaus and you trade him for a Jordan Clarkson type, because it's literally impossible to trade vet mins and rookie scale contracts for a guy making 10m or more. it's a disaster in hindsight because a mystery injury befell Zeke and his confidence cratered, but you can't plan for that. and still, the Clippers would've taken him + MPJ for PG if we had picks. if Strawther hits, Booth's plan is a success. No, it didn't make sense at the time. A huge chunk of us were relieved that we were free of Zeke and were immediately pissed off when the deal was announced. He did not look like an NBA player in the entire year leading up to getting that contract. And then we gave him four years for way too much money despite the fact that his ball skills have not improved one iota in his career to this point. Zeke had a .620 TS% his third season and a .106 WS/48, second best for his career. he was a playable 9th-10th man who had the reasonable expectation of regaining his shot. last season he was an unplayable albatross who played like someone stole his confidence. you can't account for that. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 4, 2024 16:03:01 GMT -5
Based off 1 preseason half, I think we all may have underestimated how big of an improvement Westbrook will be over Reggie. 8 assists. Jesus. Agreed! Based of one pre season game the bench looks better and i guess the starters look worse |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 4, 2024 16:04:35 GMT -5
He fouled out in 18 minutes. He's not going to see the court and he has zero value. Pickett and Tyson are both utterly worthless at the NBA level. No one really likes Tyson but you're pretty delusional if you think there's no pathway to minutes for him Denver has no shooting and they have very little wing depth There definitely is a path, but there shouldnt have been |
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Post by snakemonkey on Oct 4, 2024 16:06:49 GMT -5
Hunter was +13 today, Vlatko -11. No idea why you guys are arguing about meaningless s**t. Did Justin Holiday win/lose the Nuggets games last year? No. The 11th/12th guys don't matter. Almost all NBA teams have 7-9 NBA players and then scrubs. Holiday ended up playing a massive role in the playoffs and passing watson in rotation. Unfortunately they have way less shooting this year so it puts Watson in a tough spot for minutes on a roster with AG Braun Russ all being dared to shoot already |
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Post by snakemonkey on Oct 4, 2024 16:08:54 GMT -5
Small sample sizes and Vlatko played with the scrubs after Tyson fouled out. Today was just about knocking off the rust for Vlatko, all we needed to see from him was a good response from his knee. The bottom line is if either Vlatko or Tyson are getting minutes, something went wrong. Murray-Braun-MPJ-AG-Jokic Russ-Strawther-Watson-Saric That's going to be the 9 man rotation. There's no need for a 10th/11th guy unless you're on a b2b. Booth royally fucked us with the Zeke contract. You can't be paying a non-rotation player 8M a year. It's insane. Calvin very simply is a guy who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. When stuff works (KCP trade, Braun/Watson picks) he looks like a genius. When stuff doesn't work (Pickett, Tyson, Zeke) he looks like a guy who doesn't belong in a front office. Not what you really want from a GM. You want some level of consistency. Booth is seemingly boom or bust. And the Pickett/Tyson stuff doesn't even bother anyone if he doesn't guarantee their contracts. Just an insane decision. Booth has screwed up every move in some way. But Vlatko and Tyson are definitely looking like they're in line for minutes this year. Should be able to Punt pickett away and get a replacement but even that is tricky cause that 3rd year lol |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 4, 2024 16:08:56 GMT -5
No, it didn't make sense at the time. A huge chunk of us were relieved that we were free of Zeke and were immediately pissed off when the deal was announced. He did not look like an NBA player in the entire year leading up to getting that contract. And then we gave him four years for way too much money despite the fact that his ball skills have not improved one iota in his career to this point. Zeke had a .620 TS% his third season and a .106 WS/48, second best for his career. he was a playable 9th-10th man who had the reasonable expectation of regaining his shot. last season he was an unplayable albatross who played like someone stole his confidence. you can't account for that. The smaller the sample sizes the less advanced stats matter. According to WS/48 least season Huff, Jordan, Key, Holiday, Zeke, Braun, and Porter were all better players than KCP. We all watched Zeke play and this was an extremely predictable result. Not a single person here was surprised in the least except maybe GBG about how Zeke looked last season. |
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Post by snakemonkey on Oct 4, 2024 16:10:37 GMT -5
Booth is playing the hand he was dealt. the Zeke contract made sense in real time, young player with decent upside. he either hits and you have a steal or he plateaus and you trade him for a Jordan Clarkson type, because it's literally impossible to trade vet mins and rookie scale contracts for a guy making 10m or more. it's a disaster in hindsight because a mystery injury befell Zeke and his confidence cratered, but you can't plan for that. and still, the Clippers would've taken him + MPJ for PG if we had picks. if Strawther hits, Booth's plan is a success. Lol Booth has made it more difficult for himself with every single move. Starting with hyland and bryant moves and onward Just dumping away assets left and right and committing money to nnaji jackson and the udfas instead of leaving cap sheet and roster open |
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Post by JB on Oct 4, 2024 16:20:28 GMT -5
Booth is playing the hand he was dealt. the Zeke contract made sense in real time, young player with decent upside. he either hits and you have a steal or he plateaus and you trade him for a Jordan Clarkson type, because it's literally impossible to trade vet mins and rookie scale contracts for a guy making 10m or more. it's a disaster in hindsight because a mystery injury befell Zeke and his confidence cratered, but you can't plan for that. and still, the Clippers would've taken him + MPJ for PG if we had picks. if Strawther hits, Booth's plan is a success. Lol Booth has made it more difficult for himself with every single move. Starting with hyland and bryant moves and onward Just dumping away assets left and right and committing money to nnaji jackson and the udfas instead of leaving cap sheet and roster open yes, the Reggie deal was dumb. sticking with Pickett and Tyson is dumb. but if Braun, Watson and Strawther all hit, his gambit pays off. THREE low picks being rotation players on a championship team? are you kidding? |
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