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Post by JB on Oct 4, 2024 16:21:39 GMT -5
Zeke had a .620 TS% his third season and a .106 WS/48, second best for his career. he was a playable 9th-10th man who had the reasonable expectation of regaining his shot. last season he was an unplayable albatross who played like someone stole his confidence. you can't account for that. The smaller the sample sizes the less advanced stats matter. According to WS/48 least season Huff, Jordan, Key, Holiday, Zeke, Braun, and Porter were all better players than KCP. We all watched Zeke play and this was an extremely predictable result. Not a single person here was surprised in the least except maybe GBG about how Zeke looked last season. I wasn't expecting his TS% to crater from .620 to .528. especially when he was efficient literally his entire career (.615, .629 .620). but maybe that's just me. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 4, 2024 16:24:58 GMT -5
The smaller the sample sizes the less advanced stats matter. According to WS/48 least season Huff, Jordan, Key, Holiday, Zeke, Braun, and Porter were all better players than KCP. We all watched Zeke play and this was an extremely predictable result. Not a single person here was surprised in the least except maybe GBG about how Zeke looked last season. I wasn't expecting his FG% to fall from 56% to 46%. but maybe that's just me. He never took enough shots to put a lot of stock into his percentages to begin with and 44% of his career FGA have been within 0-3 feet around the basket. He's getting almost half his shot attempts on put-backs and open dunks. But what I knew from day one and what never changed is that he has no position in the NBA. His hands and his ball skills are simply too poor to be a forward, and he gets manhandled by larger centers. That's why DJ got all the minutes until garbage time today when Boston took their 7 footers out. |
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Post by JB on Oct 4, 2024 16:35:48 GMT -5
oh and KCP having a low ws/48 is not an outlier.
Kentavious Wilson-Chandler has a career ws/48 of .085. really happy we didn't commit to the second apron for this overrated role player
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Post by famicommander on Oct 4, 2024 16:38:47 GMT -5
oh and KCP having a low ws/48 is not an outlier. Kentavious Wilson-Chandler has a career ws/48 of .085. really happy we didn't commit to the second apron for this overrated role player There's a wide gap between him being potentially overrated and him being worse than Zeke Nnaji or Jay Huff. |
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Post by GBG on Oct 4, 2024 17:16:18 GMT -5
The smaller the sample sizes the less advanced stats matter. According to WS/48 least season Huff, Jordan, Key, Holiday, Zeke, Braun, and Porter were all better players than KCP. We all watched Zeke play and this was an extremely predictable result. Not a single person here was surprised in the least except maybe GBG about how Zeke looked last season. I wasn't expecting his TS% to crater from .620 to .528. especially when he was efficient literally his entire career (.615, .629 .620). but maybe that's just me. It’s not just you. The outlier season was last season for Zeke. Huge drop off in efficiency. I believe he’s been miscast as a center, and his best two years here he wasn’t asked to play C. When in a backup 4 role, he looked promising. Had a terrible summer league in between his good seasons too. I think he can be useful to this team, or to another team via trade. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 4, 2024 17:21:01 GMT -5
Forwards.
Need.
Ball.
Skills.
Same reason both Zeke and Tyson are no-hopers. But at least Zeke can cover a few people in this league.
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Post by snakemonkey on Oct 4, 2024 20:35:14 GMT -5
Gotta find a way off Nnaji this year.
Have Holmes and Saric signed thru next year plus Watson and MPJ will be filling more front court minutes as they get bigger.
Plus AG and Jokic is already the strength of the team.
And Vlatko is solid versatile front court piece.
Denver has 30 swap and 31 1st available to trade.
Not sure what they have for 2nds, not many.
Dream targets would be for me like Cole Anthony or Coby White
Realistic might be Thybulle, Terrance mann, kennard, tre jones, ayo dosunmu
Denvers front court is loaded. They can win a championship but Jamal, Braun, Strawther, Russ is not a championship guard rotation in NBA
Do you risk a prime year of Jokic with his big 4 together to not trade 31 1st for something?
How many runs do they even have together and Booth already gave them a broken depth chart last year is he really going to do it again
Trade Nnaji for something please
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Post by somborshuffle on Oct 5, 2024 0:22:53 GMT -5
For all the doom and gloom over the off-season - not necessarily unjustifiable - I think this Nuggets squad should have two goals, be a top 6 seed and fully healthy/rested come playoffs.
And from there a playoff rotation of:
Murray-CB-Jokic-MPJ-AG & Westbrook-Saric-Watson can challenge anyone.
Sure the depth isn't amazing but it was worse when we won the title in 2023. That didn't matter then and it won't matter this season so long as the squad is HEALTHY.
Seeding does not matter at all. Just finish top 6 and this team can compete. It still has the best player in the league by far and a very good complimentary squad.
As much as it'd be great to trade Zeke, unless you add in MPJ you ain't getting back a piece that is going to swing the tide come playoff time anyway. So I don't view the Zeke issue as critical to our hopes this season.
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Post by GBG on Oct 5, 2024 0:37:24 GMT -5
I’d still trade Zeke for a guard like Micic, not just to make Jokic happy, but also to provide much needed depth at ball handler and guard. I don’t trust Murray AND Russ to both be at peak health for the entire playoff run, if we go deep. If one isn’t available, our current options are poor. If both are out, we are sunk.
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Post by AbdulJabber on Oct 5, 2024 1:57:09 GMT -5
I thought Zeke looked pretty damn good today, but that’s just me. Me too. 10/6 in 12 minutes. Not too shabby He's still the least experienced guy on the roster but he looks more comfortable out there to me. If we can't trade him right now because his stock is too low, then give the guy some minutes. What's the harm? |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 5, 2024 2:24:34 GMT -5
This is his fifth god damn year in the NBA. He is not the least experienced guy on the roster. He has over 200 NBA regular season and playoff games to go along with five preseasons/training camps.
He played most of his minutes today against the two-ways and exhibit 10 contract guys. Of course he looked more comfortable against Dmytro Skapintsev and JD Davidson than he normally does against NBA rotation guys.
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Post by snakemonkey on Oct 5, 2024 6:30:47 GMT -5
For all the doom and gloom over the off-season - not necessarily unjustifiable - I think this Nuggets squad should have two goals, be a top 6 seed and fully healthy/rested come playoffs. And from there a playoff rotation of: Murray-CB-Jokic-MPJ-AG & Westbrook-Saric-Watson can challenge anyone. Sure the depth isn't amazing but it was worse when we won the title in 2023. That didn't matter then and it won't matter this season so long as the squad is HEALTHY. Seeding does not matter at all. Just finish top 6 and this team can compete. It still has the best player in the league by far and a very good complimentary squad. As much as it'd be great to trade Zeke, unless you add in MPJ you ain't getting back a piece that is going to swing the tide come playoff time anyway. So I don't view the Zeke issue as critical to our hopes this season. It's not just about this year with Zeke deal. With Holmes coming next year there's no spot for him next year either. The depth was not worse in 23 lol, Bruce and KCP were the 5th and 6th guys and that's huge. We don't know if russ or saric are even playable in playoffs. They had Jeff, Braun after that and still.had reggie and bryant, vlatko deep depth. |
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Post by AbdulJabber on Oct 5, 2024 7:29:59 GMT -5
This is his fifth god damn year in the NBA. He is not the least experienced guy on the roster. He has over 200 NBA regular season and playoff games to go along with five preseasons/training camps. He played most of his minutes today against the two-ways and exhibit 10 contract guys. Of course he looked more comfortable against Dmytro Skapintsev and JD Davidson than he normally does against NBA rotation guys. I mean, he really is inexperienced. I've said it before, but his early years were effected by Covid. Only played 980 minutes in college and so far as a pro he's only played 30 games of 20 minutes or more. the rest is spot minutes, usually in garbage time and he's usually out there with other scrubs that are struggling even worse than he is. Even then, you add up all of his college and NBA experience and it's less than many guys play in a single season. Never the less, it's probably not even worth talking about since he's already at the bottom of Malone's depth chart. I suppose he doesn't even play if Watson and Holmes are healthy. |
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Post by JB on Oct 5, 2024 7:52:21 GMT -5
agreed AJ.
Zeke has become a caricature among Nugget fans. he had a lot of outside factors go wrong for him (covid, injury etc) and we rarely played him at his natural position because we believe backup centers are here to provide vibes. commit to playing him at PF next to Saric and see what happens. that's the only way he's getting traded. you're not getting him off this roster by wishing him away lol.
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Post by Dante on Oct 5, 2024 7:59:49 GMT -5
The only "all in" move i see that can improve our overall depth while not losing quality is something like this.
3 team trade
MPJ to Hawks for Bogdanovic and Hunter with 30 swap.
Zeke to Hornets for Micic and 31st top 15 protected.
Matching salary is peefect.
That is the only move Booth can make if he is serious about not wasting Jokic prime.
Edit: MPJ and Trae are hihg school buddies. Both would welcome that trade with open arms
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Post by GBG on Oct 5, 2024 9:41:16 GMT -5
Glad to see some Zeke appreciation by a couple fellow NT’ers here. Fami is out of his mind with a hostile agenda of hate that he aggressively pushes on us all the time regarding Zeke. I don’t understand it. Zeke is a Nugget (for now), and Nuggets fans should be rooting FOR their players, if for no other reason than to will them to better times that could lift their trade values.
Zeke won’t even be 24 until next January. Calvin Booth, for all his mistakes in drafting Pickett and Tyson while not moving them off the roster yet (guaranteed roster spots he never should have given them) is not an idiot, and felt Zeke has shown enough to be an attractive $8 million contract for OTHER GMs to want to trade for. It just hasn’t happened. I really think the Holmes injury changed our plans for Zeke, and he might have been traded by now if Holmes hadn’t gone down.
Now that we are keeping Zeke for the foreseeable future (it seems), we should give him the minutes we had planned to give Holmes this season, and see what happens. I happen to think Zeke will pleasantly surprise at least one Nuggets fan around here.
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Post by snakemonkey on Oct 5, 2024 11:07:17 GMT -5
The only "all in" move i see that can improve our overall depth while not losing quality is something like this. 3 team trade MPJ to Hawks for Bogdanovic and Hunter with 30 swap. Zeke to Hornets for Micic and 31st top 15 protected. Matching salary is peefect. That is the only move Booth can make if he is serious about not wasting Jokic prime. Edit: MPJ and Trae are hihg school buddies. Both would welcome that trade with open arms Eww with how Porter looks he's worth more than that. I think they should think about trading Porter this coming summer when his value peaks. Unfortunately the flawed depth chart and not rostering any guards shows they.dont really.care about MPJ longterm |
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Post by snakemonkey on Oct 5, 2024 11:09:32 GMT -5
Glad to see some Zeke appreciation by a couple fellow NT’ers here. Fami is out of his mind with a hostile agenda of hate that he aggressively pushes on us all the time regarding Zeke. I don’t understand it. Zeke is a Nugget (for now), and Nuggets fans should be rooting FOR their players, if for no other reason than to will them to better times that could lift their trade values. Zeke won’t even be 24 until next January. Calvin Booth, for all his mistakes in drafting Pickett and Tyson while not moving them off the roster yet (guaranteed roster spots he never should have given them) is not an idiot, and felt Zeke has shown enough to be an attractive $8 million contract for OTHER GMs to want to trade for. It just hasn’t happened. I really think the Holmes injury changed our plans for Zeke, and he might have been traded by now if Holmes hadn’t gone down. Now that we are keeping Zeke for the foreseeable future (it seems), we should give him the minutes we had planned to give Holmes this season, and see what happens. I happen to think Zeke will pleasantly surprise at least one Nuggets fan around here. Vlatko has proven to be better than Nnaji so he deserves the backup 4 spot for now. And MPJ and Watson are options there too It's very confusing to see them roster all front court players on a team where 3 of the best 4 players are front court players and their guards can't break 1 man ball pressure. It's going to be tough going into year with 4 or 5 dead roster spots again |
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Post by pie on Oct 5, 2024 11:43:20 GMT -5
The only "all in" move i see that can improve our overall depth while not losing quality is something like this. 3 team trade MPJ to Hawks for Bogdanovic and Hunter with 30 swap. Zeke to Hornets for Micic and 31st top 15 protected. Matching salary is peefect. That is the only move Booth can make if he is serious about not wasting Jokic prime. Edit: MPJ and Trae are hihg school buddies. Both would welcome that trade with open arms Love these trades! PG-Murray/Russ/Micic SG-Braun/Bogadanovic/Strawther SF-Hunter/Watson PF-AG/Saric/Cancar C-Jokic/Saric Our backcourt has crazy depth now! Beside Saric and Watson, we need more quality depth at SF, PF and C. Get veteran ring chasers in the front court (a la Jeff Green) |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 5, 2024 13:20:49 GMT -5
Glad to see some Zeke appreciation by a couple fellow NT’ers here. Fami is out of his mind with a hostile agenda of hate that he aggressively pushes on us all the time regarding Zeke. I don’t understand it. Zeke is a Nugget (for now), and Nuggets fans should be rooting FOR their players, if for no other reason than to will them to better times that could lift their trade values. Zeke won’t even be 24 until next January. Calvin Booth, for all his mistakes in drafting Pickett and Tyson while not moving them off the roster yet (guaranteed roster spots he never should have given them) is not an idiot, and felt Zeke has shown enough to be an attractive $8 million contract for OTHER GMs to want to trade for. It just hasn’t happened. I really think the Holmes injury changed our plans for Zeke, and he might have been traded by now if Holmes hadn’t gone down. Now that we are keeping Zeke for the foreseeable future (it seems), we should give him the minutes we had planned to give Holmes this season, and see what happens. I happen to think Zeke will pleasantly surprise at least one Nuggets fan around here. Observing reality and then commenting on it is not hate. You're just ridiculously delusional about this man's abilities. It's been five years and he still can't freaking catch a basketball. If we do trade him it's because we attached assets to get rid of him. If there were any other trades available they'd have already been made. |
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