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Post by jimijam28 on Jun 24, 2024 19:16:10 GMT -5
Yeah I am tried of the jokic needs a all-star teammate nxt to him.
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Post by inyourmind on Jun 24, 2024 22:20:36 GMT -5
CB as the starting 2 is a huge roll of the dice. I can see the upside but if he doesn't keep getting better and we lose KCP's shooting it could be a big loss.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jun 25, 2024 0:23:30 GMT -5
Excellent...Calvin needs Reggie's contract to aggregate together with Zeke and another player/pick 28 in order to get a decent bench scorer unless they enter the 2nd apron then none of this is possible. This isnt happening
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Post by GBG on Jun 25, 2024 1:59:39 GMT -5
Some fans don’t know or appreciate what we have. We were a healthy Jamal Murray away from reaching NBA Finals (we’d have won WCF, IMO), and would have had a punter’s chance at winning title again. You don’t break that up by passing on a doable kCP signing or trading one of Jamal or MPJ. That would mess with the long-built chemistry that could get us back to Finals.
Nothing is guaranteed, as Charles Barkley proves repeatedly. Making panic changes on recency bias risks destroying remainder of Jokic era.
But I’m about to ride up a funicular to a viewpoint of Bergen Norway, so just killing time spitballlng here.
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Post by wicked3line on Jun 25, 2024 9:23:33 GMT -5
We were a healthy Jamal Murray away from reaching NBA Finals (we’d have won WCF, IMO) That is some serious revisionist history as the mediocre bench alone tells you why they didn't win the Wolves series (running Jamal into the ground during the regular season). You can theorize all you want but they didn't beat the Wolves as acting like running it back will fix that issue is pure fantasy. If we are going to theorize then that weak bench against the Mavs was going to be an issue. Priority #1, fix the bench offensive problems as aging vets (Reggie), defensive minded players (Braun and Watson), and just mediocre end of bench players (Strawther, Pickett, and Tyson) aren't fixing that problem. Calvin needs to find a wing scorer and a legit backup 5 via trades as doing nothing will result in the same problems as last season.
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Post by wicked3line on Jun 25, 2024 9:37:29 GMT -5
Excellent...Calvin needs Reggie's contract to aggregate together with Zeke and another player/pick 28 in order to get a decent bench scorer unless they enter the 2nd apron then none of this is possible. This isnt happening Yeah, it probably won't happen, but running it back will lead to a regression as I don't see Malone magically playing Zeke...AND he will also continue to overplay Reggie.
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Post by wicked3line on Jun 25, 2024 9:43:18 GMT -5
CB as the starting 2 is a huge roll of the dice. I can see the upside but if he doesn't keep getting better and we lose KCP's shooting it could be a big loss. Resigning KCP for $22-24 mil/year and diving into the 2nd apron death sentence is an even bigger roll of the dice. At that point Calvin is down to praying rookies work out and filtering through the dumpster for ring chasing vet mins...which obviously didn't work out very well this past season.
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Post by Ring on Jun 25, 2024 10:26:44 GMT -5
8 seed Timberwolves without Reid/McDaniels 4 seed Suns (tied 2-2 before Chris Paul got hurt) 7 seed Lakers 8 seed Heat (no Herro) The Nuggets are never going to get a run that easy ever again and their roster is never going to be that good again. If you guys are comfortable with Murray/MPJ going forward, I can respect that. I am not. I'd prefer to pair Jokic with an at minimum All Star before his career is over. Simply ridiculous that he's 30, a 3X MVP, a Finals MVP and hasn't had a single All Star teammate. And if we're being fair, none of his teammates have even been snubbed. I'm done with Murray/MPJ being Jokics running mates. One guy is constantly hurt/out of shape. The other can't play against physical defense which we've now seen in 3 straight playoff runs. Not sure what else needs to be said. Jokic needs a consistent running mate. He deserves that. I get it that the west is much tougher than the east. But that doesn’t make the Nuggets worse or Jamal Murray a bad P&R running mate with Jokic. The Nuggets’ title run wasn’t the most difficult possible simply because the Celtics s**t the bed last season in the playoffs, leaving us the Heat in the Finals. Otherwise, the Nuggets had to beat several teams with elite high end talent. I remain pretty confident that its more impressive to beat the TWolves, the Suns and the Lakers in the run up to the Finals than for the Celtics to beat this year’s Heat team, along with the Cavs missing half their guys, and the Pacers missing Halliburton for half the games. It’s not a 2 person sport — Brown and Tatum winning the title while shooting 18 for 72 from three is pretty pretty good evidence of that — so I’m not really following the obsession with the “ All-Star Running Mate.” The recent Finals would seem to prove the point since one can make an argument that the Celtics’ #3,4,5,6 and 7 guys were all better than their BIG STARS, each of whom rather sucked when it came to putting the ball in the basket, which has always seemed to me to be a pretty damn important part of basketball. I just want the Nuggets to have a really good team and they do. They went 2-0 against the Celtics this season when the Celts were fully healthy, including getting 71 minutes from the rarely healthy Porzingis. On the subject of Murray being “constantly hurt”, here is the number of games he has played in each of his NBA seasons when he didn’t have a torn ACL: 82, 81, 89, 78 (covid shortened season), 85, 71. A) We can't ignore the 2 playoff runs he missed with his ACL injury B) He's hurt every single year and just plays through the injuries, which leads to him never being fully healthy.
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Post by JB on Jun 25, 2024 11:39:00 GMT -5
I know it's really productive and informative to keep repeating the same argument and regurgitating the same points over and over and over again, but can we table The Endless Jamal Debate until after the draft and FA? thanks.
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Post by famicommander on Jun 25, 2024 11:53:05 GMT -5
We have the best player in the NBA by a wide margin and we didn't make the conference finals.
Literally any and all options to improve the team around Jokic are on the table.
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Post by blackhill on Jun 25, 2024 12:02:58 GMT -5
I didn't look at any rookies between picks 1 to 25, because what's the point? Amongst those mocking pick 25 and above - here are my favs (in order of most liked), in regard to the idea that we need a backup-center and a scoring off the bench - Ighodaro and Sheed are by far my two favs: Oso Ighodaro - C - very quick, big body - how is he not getting more attention? - could be a wrecking ball off the bench - only age 21, but a senior - I think he'll be ready for bigger mins Jamal Shead - PG - lockdown defender, fast as f**k, solid PG skills - how is mocking so late? He has first-round talent - age 21, but senior, so I think he'll be ready for larger mins Tyler Smith - PF - great speed and a big body with muscle - won’t get pushed around easy - age 19 (likely too young for us), so he's a development pick, but with the right coaching, he'll be a damn good player down the road because of his speed, size and skill Baylor Scheierman - great stroke - super confident - not tall, but a big body who won’t get pushed around - he does not have NBA speed, but I do think he could scorch the second-unit defenses of other teams - 23 y/o older player who is ready for large minutes Jonathan Mobgo - SF - Swiss Army knife - big body that can guard all 5 positions, plays big - cannot shoot - but good second unit guy for defense and playmaking - if he could shoot, he would be a lottery pick (maybe he develops that?) - seems to have good IQ and 22 y/o - should be ready to play large mins Adem Bona - C - huge body with great speed - can probably guard all five positions and bang around down low - 21 y/o so might need time to develop, but love his combo of size and speed Cam Christie - beautiful stroke, quick release, big body - only 18 y/o - this is a development pick, but listing him here because the kid has talent Terrence Shannon Jr. - putting this guy up here because of mental toughness - falsely accused of rape and played the entire year with that stress - led his team to the playoffs anyways - had his day in court this week (finally) and found not guilty - decent shooter, but super quick and can probably guard multiple positions - he’s mentally tough and a damn good leader with grit - good fit for a championship team that needs guys who are ready to sacrifice - 23 y/o ready to play large mins Melvin Ajinça - love his confidence - beautiful stroke - good enough on speed - only 19 y/o - he has the talent to become a very good player Boogie Ellis - solid speed, good shooting - rangy on defense - 23 y/o so ready for bigger mins From this list, I like Tyler Smith, Terrence Shannon Jr., and, especially, Scheierman
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Post by JB on Jun 25, 2024 12:03:58 GMT -5
We have the best player in the NBA by a wide margin and we didn't make the conference finals. Literally any and all options to improve the team around Jokic are on the table. sure, there's literally 0% chance Jamal is getting moved during the draft or FA. we have more pressing problems to worry about.
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Post by famicommander on Jun 25, 2024 12:12:09 GMT -5
We have the best player in the NBA by a wide margin and we didn't make the conference finals. Literally any and all options to improve the team around Jokic are on the table. sure, there's literally 0% chance Jamal is getting moved during the draft or FA. we have more pressing problems to worry about. Literally nothing we do on this site matters. We could all be focusing on whether Buffy the Vampire Slayer could beat up Xena and it wouldn't change any outcome for the Nuggets at all. Relax.
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Post by Ring on Jun 25, 2024 12:14:56 GMT -5
We have the best player in the NBA by a wide margin and we didn't make the conference finals. Literally any and all options to improve the team around Jokic are on the table. sure, there's literally 0% chance Jamal is getting moved during the draft or FA. we have more pressing problems to worry about. And this is the exact reason why Nuggets fans should be mad at ownership and the front office. Because they're not going to do what it takes to improve the team and get them back to a Championship. Every single option sans trading Jokic should be on the table. The fact that there are people who aren't disgusted/annoyed that Jokic is about to turn 30 and has never had an All Star or All NBA teammate is a joke. Jokic is the best Nuggets player we are ever going to have. To not want to surround him with the best team possible is a joke. MPJ/Jamal should both be on the table as they're the #1 and #2 reason why we didn't make the finals this year.
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Post by JB on Jun 25, 2024 12:28:37 GMT -5
sure, there's literally 0% chance Jamal is getting moved during the draft or FA. we have more pressing problems to worry about. And this is the exact reason why Nuggets fans should be mad at ownership and the front office. Because they're not going to do what it takes to improve the team and get them back to a Championship. Every single option sans trading Jokic should be on the table. The fact that there are people who aren't disgusted/annoyed that Jokic is about to turn 30 and has never had an All Star or All NBA teammate is a joke. Jokic is the best Nuggets player we are ever going to have. To not want to surround him with the best team possible is a joke. MPJ/Jamal should both be on the table as they're the #1 and #2 reason why we didn't make the finals this year. you don't need to add MPJ to this discussion. I wanted him traded when the Rockets were willing to sell the farm for him before his max. you're singing to the choir. do you really think it's a good idea to trade Jamal at his lowest value? do you also believe a player like Derrick White would be an upgrade like what was argued from before? just give me a name of one realistic target this summer. bruh, just get Jamal a capable backup point guard so he isn't run ragged propping up the bench in the regular season. Reggie Jackson and Jalen Pickett is a fireable offense in my book.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jun 25, 2024 13:26:25 GMT -5
And this is the exact reason why Nuggets fans should be mad at ownership and the front office. Because they're not going to do what it takes to improve the team and get them back to a Championship. Every single option sans trading Jokic should be on the table. The fact that there are people who aren't disgusted/annoyed that Jokic is about to turn 30 and has never had an All Star or All NBA teammate is a joke. Jokic is the best Nuggets player we are ever going to have. To not want to surround him with the best team possible is a joke. MPJ/Jamal should both be on the table as they're the #1 and #2 reason why we didn't make the finals this year. you don't need to add MPJ to this discussion. I wanted him traded when the Rockets were willing to sell the farm for him before his max. you're singing to the choir. do you really think it's a good idea to trade Jamal at his lowest value? do you also believe a player like Derrick White would be an upgrade like what was argued from before? just give me a name of one realistic target this summer. bruh, just get Jamal a capable backup point guard so he isn't run ragged propping up the bench in the regular season. Reggie Jackson and Jalen Pickett is a fireable offense in my book. Derrick White does make nearly as much as Jamal so it would theoretically be Derrick White and another player and I think Wjote would thrive next to Jokic. Plus he's a better defender.
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Post by Ring on Jun 25, 2024 13:41:59 GMT -5
And this is the exact reason why Nuggets fans should be mad at ownership and the front office. Because they're not going to do what it takes to improve the team and get them back to a Championship. Every single option sans trading Jokic should be on the table. The fact that there are people who aren't disgusted/annoyed that Jokic is about to turn 30 and has never had an All Star or All NBA teammate is a joke. Jokic is the best Nuggets player we are ever going to have. To not want to surround him with the best team possible is a joke. MPJ/Jamal should both be on the table as they're the #1 and #2 reason why we didn't make the finals this year. you don't need to add MPJ to this discussion. I wanted him traded when the Rockets were willing to sell the farm for him before his max. you're singing to the choir. do you really think it's a good idea to trade Jamal at his lowest value? do you also believe a player like Derrick White would be an upgrade like what was argued from before? just give me a name of one realistic target this summer. bruh, just get Jamal a capable backup point guard so he isn't run ragged propping up the bench in the regular season. Reggie Jackson and Jalen Pickett is a fireable offense in my book. In a vacuum I'd rather have Jamal and on the Nuggets I'd rather have Jamal. However, I think we're all married to this one specific way to build around Jokic (2 man game surrounded by shooters and a dunker) and that's just not the only way to succeed. If you replace Murray/MPJ with Derrick White and OG, can that team win you a Championship? The swap that I'd do is Murray for Mitchell straight up and Cleveland would absolutely do that if they know they're losing Mitchell. (No idea if this works CBA wise, I'm not a cap guy) Mitchell is a better player and also has the Murray playoff effect where he's better when it matters most. All of this being said, I'd clearly rather keep Jamal and trade MPJ. My point is everything is and should be on the table outside of trading Jokic. That means trading AG as well. The Nuggets need to upgrade their team. They didn't lose in the playoffs because of the bench. They lost because their #2 and #3 s**t the bed and I don't want to hear fatigue as an excuse for those guys. Murray played more games and averaged more minutes last year when they won a Championship.
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Post by voodoo on Jun 25, 2024 15:13:58 GMT -5
After this season one of Jamal or AG is likely gone, I don't see the nuggets being able to resign both of them, and avoid the aprons. AG might be the guy they dangle in a trade if they try to shake things up and make a move.
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Post by JB on Jun 25, 2024 21:23:06 GMT -5
lol what an utterly ridiculous overpay. at least the Nets were on the positive side of these for once
hopefully this means OG --> Philly and we lose another KCP rival.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jun 25, 2024 22:27:42 GMT -5
lol what an utterly ridiculous overpay. at least the Nets were on the positive side of these for once hopefully this means OG --> Philly and we lose another KCP rival. None of those are lottery picks and bridges is on a friendly contract for 2 more years. Good trade for both teams.
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