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Post by nuggetshipster on Jun 24, 2024 13:13:32 GMT -5
Not my money. I just want the best team possible. Not like this previous season
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jun 24, 2024 13:58:20 GMT -5
I think you possibly sign him with intention to trade him! Losing him for nothing sucks, and I"m not sure getting rid of him significantly helps our cap situation, we're going to be near the 2nd apron instead of over, so not sure if it helps us sign a guy if we don't keep him, but I'm on the fence either direction. I agree he's not worth 20+ million a year, and I feel like Christian will improve as a 3 point shooter!
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Post by famicommander on Jun 24, 2024 14:21:37 GMT -5
I'm less worried about Braun's ability to replace KCP than I am about Strawther's ability to replace Braun. It's a domino effect that we don't have the depth or flexibility to address.
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Post by Ring on Jun 24, 2024 14:39:49 GMT -5
The Nuggets need to find a way to add elite talent. They're not winning anymore Championships with the core 4/5 that they have. Either MPJ or Jamal have to be upgraded if they're serious about winning.
You're never going to get a run as easy as last years. The Nuggets need to greatly improve their 2nd/3rd stars in order to win again.
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Post by scooter on Jun 24, 2024 14:48:18 GMT -5
I'm less worried about Braun's ability to replace KCP than I am about Strawther's ability to replace Braun. This. Its why I strongly prefer — without knowing all of the options out there — running back the top 7, because its a great top 7. Nuggets’ fans whose perspective is warped by (negative) recency bias are losing sight of how great this group is. The sports books are not, however, and all have the Nuggets as the biggest threat to the Celtics’ repeating. Strawther didn’t even come close to showing enough to have a rational belief he’s ready to be a regular rotation guy. All anybody has seen of him in actual NBA games is shooting of 37/30/71, which is way way worse than the supposed non-shooter Braun in his rookie season (50/35/63). Strawther didn’t even prove he’s an NBA player, let alone a rotation guy on a title contender. He’ll probably be an NBA player, but realistically its still possible he proves to be no better than a deep bench player. We’ll see what happens. Since it’s not my money and I very much like KCP for both his basketball skills and his intangibles, I prefer him re-signed at pretty much any cost. The 2nd apron doesn’t become a huge deal until a team hits the 3rd year and lots of things can be done over a 3 year time frame. So I’m for maximizing the present now and then figuring it out on the fly. I’m not going to hit the panic button either way, though. I learned not to do that from the Grant situation. Jokic is so great he buys time to pivot when necessary.
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Post by scooter on Jun 24, 2024 14:56:07 GMT -5
The Nuggets need to find a way to add elite talent. They're not winning anymore Championships with the core 4/5 that they have. Either MPJ or Jamal have to be upgraded if they're serious about winning. You're never going to get a run as easy as last years. Last year being 2023 or 2024? (I am genuinely confused as to which is supposed to be the ridiculously easy, never to be repeated title run) Could someone remind me how it went when this terrible unserious Nuggets team played the (fully healthy) Celtics this past season?
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jun 24, 2024 15:05:13 GMT -5
The Nuggets need to find a way to add elite talent. They're not winning anymore Championships with the core 4/5 that they have. Either MPJ or Jamal have to be upgraded if they're serious about winning. You're never going to get a run as easy as last years. Last year being 2023 or 2024? (I am genuinely confused as to which is supposed to be the ridiculously easy, never to be repeated title run) Could someone remind me how it went when this terrible unserious Nuggets team played the (fully healthy) Celtics this past season? 2023 had Bruce Brown a secondary creator. We don't have that on this current team. Even if we run it back we still don't have that nor does anyone on roster seem like type of player to do that imo.
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Post by JB on Jun 24, 2024 15:05:22 GMT -5
Ring is referring to our run, scooter. 2023.
because we're the only contender that is being squeezed by the new tax rules. rivals like Minny & Dallas are on easy street going forward (sarcasm).
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jun 24, 2024 15:08:08 GMT -5
Ring is referring to our run, scooter. 2023. because we're the only contender that is being squeezed by the new tax rules. rivals like Minny & Dallas are on easy street going forward (sarcasm). I don't think it's that others aren't being squeezed. It's that those others especially MIN in their current roster present unique challenges that 2023 didn't face on top of we don't have bruce brown anymore.
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Post by JB on Jun 24, 2024 15:14:46 GMT -5
the Wolves now officially have three super maxes on the books and their most important bench player Naz Reid has an opt out in one year which he's about 100% likely to exercise. if KCP is going to get upwards of 20m a year, how much is Naz going to make?
that's not to mention they have an ownership in turmoil. the Wolves and their unique challenges are going to solve itself shortly.
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Post by Ring on Jun 24, 2024 15:44:34 GMT -5
The Nuggets need to find a way to add elite talent. They're not winning anymore Championships with the core 4/5 that they have. Either MPJ or Jamal have to be upgraded if they're serious about winning. You're never going to get a run as easy as last years. Last year being 2023 or 2024? (I am genuinely confused as to which is supposed to be the ridiculously easy, never to be repeated title run) Could someone remind me how it went when this terrible unserious Nuggets team played the (fully healthy) Celtics this past season? 8 seed Timberwolves without Reid/McDaniels 4 seed Suns (tied 2-2 before Chris Paul got hurt) 7 seed Lakers 8 seed Heat (no Herro) The Nuggets are never going to get a run that easy ever again and their roster is never going to be that good again. If you guys are comfortable with Murray/MPJ going forward, I can respect that. I am not. I'd prefer to pair Jokic with an at minimum All Star before his career is over. Simply ridiculous that he's 30, a 3X MVP, a Finals MVP and hasn't had a single All Star teammate. And if we're being fair, none of his teammates have even been snubbed. I'm done with Murray/MPJ being Jokics running mates. One guy is constantly hurt/out of shape. The other can't play against physical defense which we've now seen in 3 straight playoff runs. Not sure what else needs to be said. Jokic needs a consistent running mate. He deserves that.
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Post by Dante on Jun 24, 2024 16:12:11 GMT -5
hater
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Post by wicked3line on Jun 24, 2024 16:12:44 GMT -5
We’ll see what happens. Since it’s not my money and I very much like KCP for both his basketball skills and his intangibles, I prefer him re-signed at pretty much any cost. The 2nd apron doesn’t become a huge deal until a team hits the 3rd year and lots of things can be done over a 3 year time frame. So I’m for maximizing the present now and then figuring it out on the fly. ...but there is the problem with maximizing now as this team desperately needs to find something to fix the lack of bench scoring/offensive production so Malone stops running Jokic and Murray into the ground...WAY more than it needs KCP back. I like KCP as well and was a big fan of trading Morris and Barton for him but signing KCP to $22-24 mil/year now will essentially slam the door shut on any meaningful changes. The 2nd apron closes the door on various things immediately... not just in 3 years. NOW if KSE gives up and allows Calvin to trade MPJ to get some bench depth...then I'm all for signing KCP to that $22-24 mil/year but minus that miracle, this team needs bench help way more than it needs KCP back.
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Post by Dante on Jun 24, 2024 16:13:00 GMT -5
I say trade Jokic and promote Zeke and Strawther as our new projects!
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Post by Dante on Jun 24, 2024 16:17:23 GMT -5
Math is simple. Not a single Denver Nuggets is worth the amount of $ they are making due to Jokic effect or should i say Jokic ball. NBA is not soccer, and Nuggets cant be PSG or Man.City, you have the best player in the world in the last 4 years and you have bunch of overpaid role players next to him. As i said before, if stay as is, when that golden cow retires you will look back at these years as wasted years (or you will celebrate that one championship?).
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Post by Dante on Jun 24, 2024 16:19:33 GMT -5
One more thing, those who think that Jamal would be an all star as #1 option on any other NBA team or that MPJ will average 30 on a bad team are delusional (well, maybe he would on 35% FG)
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Post by JB on Jun 24, 2024 17:05:49 GMT -5
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Post by wicked3line on Jun 24, 2024 17:14:40 GMT -5
Excellent...Calvin needs Reggie's contract to aggregate together with Zeke and another player/pick 28 in order to get a decent bench scorer unless they enter the 2nd apron then none of this is possible.
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Post by famicommander on Jun 24, 2024 17:28:13 GMT -5
We cannot return the same point guard room as last season. At minimum one of Reggie and Pickett has to go. Ideally both.
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Post by scooter on Jun 24, 2024 18:56:39 GMT -5
Last year being 2023 or 2024? (I am genuinely confused as to which is supposed to be the ridiculously easy, never to be repeated title run) Could someone remind me how it went when this terrible unserious Nuggets team played the (fully healthy) Celtics this past season? 8 seed Timberwolves without Reid/McDaniels 4 seed Suns (tied 2-2 before Chris Paul got hurt) 7 seed Lakers 8 seed Heat (no Herro) The Nuggets are never going to get a run that easy ever again and their roster is never going to be that good again. If you guys are comfortable with Murray/MPJ going forward, I can respect that. I am not. I'd prefer to pair Jokic with an at minimum All Star before his career is over. Simply ridiculous that he's 30, a 3X MVP, a Finals MVP and hasn't had a single All Star teammate. And if we're being fair, none of his teammates have even been snubbed. I'm done with Murray/MPJ being Jokics running mates. One guy is constantly hurt/out of shape. The other can't play against physical defense which we've now seen in 3 straight playoff runs. Not sure what else needs to be said. Jokic needs a consistent running mate. He deserves that. I get it that the west is much tougher than the east. But that doesn’t make the Nuggets worse or Jamal Murray a bad P&R running mate with Jokic. The Nuggets’ title run wasn’t the most difficult possible simply because the Celtics s**t the bed last season in the playoffs, leaving us the Heat in the Finals. Otherwise, the Nuggets had to beat several teams with elite high end talent. I remain pretty confident that its more impressive to beat the TWolves, the Suns and the Lakers in the run up to the Finals than for the Celtics to beat this year’s Heat team, along with the Cavs missing half their guys, and the Pacers missing Halliburton for half the games. It’s not a 2 person sport — Brown and Tatum winning the title while shooting 18 for 72 from three is pretty pretty good evidence of that — so I’m not really following the obsession with the “ All-Star Running Mate.” The recent Finals would seem to prove the point since one can make an argument that the Celtics’ #3,4,5,6 and 7 guys were all better than their BIG STARS, each of whom rather sucked when it came to putting the ball in the basket, which has always seemed to me to be a pretty damn important part of basketball. I just want the Nuggets to have a really good team and they do. They went 2-0 against the Celtics this season when the Celts were fully healthy, including getting 71 minutes from the rarely healthy Porzingis. On the subject of Murray being “constantly hurt”, here is the number of games he has played in each of his NBA seasons when he didn’t have a torn ACL: 82, 81, 89, 78 (covid shortened season), 85, 71.
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