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Post by wicked3line on Jun 21, 2024 20:11:22 GMT -5
KCP is not getting a richer contract than Malik Monk. That's stating the obvious as nobody is giving KCP a 4 year contract at age 31!!! With that stated KCP will get something similar to Bruce Brown in the 2 year $45 million range.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jun 22, 2024 3:27:23 GMT -5
AK reportedly turned down multiple firsts just so he could trade for the #1 Drake fan, who was unplayable in the playoffs. Obviously be brains of the TC era 😂😂
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Post by scooter on Jun 22, 2024 12:57:30 GMT -5
The best trades are made with teams blowing it up to rebuild.
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Post by JB on Jun 22, 2024 14:26:11 GMT -5
if the Nuggets get word that KCP is going to be offered a contract too rich for their blood, they need to be actively working the phones for S&T scenarios. Dallas would love him and I'm sure Pope loves the tax laws in Texas. move him to the Mavs for THJ and a lotto protected first in a S&T. starting Braun and bringing Hardaway Jr off the bench is not the worst plan B in the world.
we cannot get blindsided again. we cannot lose another NBA player in the rotation without adding another NBA payer in the rotation. be proactive, for the love of god.
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Post by scooter on Jun 23, 2024 9:39:57 GMT -5
if the Nuggets get word that KCP is going to be offered a contract too rich for their blood, they need to be actively working the phones for S&T scenarios. Dallas would love him and I'm sure Pope loves the tax laws in Texas. move him to the Mavs for THJ and a lotto protected first in a S&T. starting Braun and bringing Hardaway Jr off the bench is not the worst plan B in the world. we cannot get blindsided again. we cannot lose another NBA player in the rotation without adding another NBA payer in the rotation. be proactive, for the love of god. That would be a solid idea in most seasons, but would keep the Nuggets above the 2nd apron, if only by $3 mil, and that’s for only 13 players. I doubt they are willing to do that for Hardaway. Now, if they can trim enough through another deal or two on draft night, that might make it work, but it would be difficult to do a Nnaji trade before the new fiscal year starts. I have no idea what is feasible.
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Post by GBG on Jun 23, 2024 10:08:01 GMT -5
If KCP leaves, I predict the Nuggets let go of the rope a little bit. Meaning, they sink back into the WC pack of being a 4-6 seed, 45-50ish win team. KCP being here not only helps us on the floor, he gives the rest of the team confidence that we are a chip contender. This means buy-in and effort. Becoming a weaker team on paper will risk our edge and mark a continued decline from our championship season. I see no way Booth can patch over this loss.
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Post by JB on Jun 23, 2024 10:41:12 GMT -5
if the Nuggets get word that KCP is going to be offered a contract too rich for their blood, they need to be actively working the phones for S&T scenarios. Dallas would love him and I'm sure Pope loves the tax laws in Texas. move him to the Mavs for THJ and a lotto protected first in a S&T. starting Braun and bringing Hardaway Jr off the bench is not the worst plan B in the world. we cannot get blindsided again. we cannot lose another NBA player in the rotation without adding another NBA payer in the rotation. be proactive, for the love of god. That would be a solid idea in most seasons, but would keep the Nuggets above the 2nd apron, if only by $3 mil, and that’s for only 13 players. I doubt they are willing to do that for Hardaway. Now, if they can trim enough through another deal or two on draft night, that might make it work, but it would be difficult to do a Nnaji trade before the new fiscal year starts. I have no idea what is feasible. the Nuggets to move on from Reggie Jackson and dump Nnaji's contract whenever possible. that's 14m of dead money we can't afford. Reggie has a PO because we don't understand the concept of leverage, but he might opt out if we straight up tell him his rotation days are over and we're looking for his replacement. a team like the Spurs would gladly give him 25MPG to provide "veteran leadership".
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Post by GBG on Jun 23, 2024 11:39:12 GMT -5
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Post by freakns on Jun 23, 2024 12:07:16 GMT -5
ups... error.
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Post by famicommander on Jun 23, 2024 12:39:42 GMT -5
So according to this they can actually sign him for more money, but a lower cap hit than the one year option. The NBA salary cap is truly the dumbest thing in existence.
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Post by famicommander on Jun 23, 2024 12:46:35 GMT -5
According to the BBall index Christian Braun graded out as the #7 guard in the NBA for rim protection and Peyton Watson graded out as the #1 forward for rim protection.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Jun 23, 2024 14:08:11 GMT -5
The key with Vlatko is that the option is a non-minimum deal, but actually less than the current minimum -- so by opting out, he'll make more money. AND minimum contracts have a reduced cap hit, so by paying him more, the Nuggets will actually save cap/tax space. So the opt-out was obvious.
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Post by wicked3line on Jun 23, 2024 17:32:21 GMT -5
If KCP leaves, I predict the Nuggets let go of the rope a little bit. Meaning, they sink back into the WC pack of being a 4-6 seed, 45-50ish win team. KCP being here not only helps us on the floor, he gives the rest of the team confidence that we are a chip contender. This means buy-in and effort. Becoming a weaker team on paper will risk our edge and mark a continued decline from our championship season. I see no way Booth can patch over this loss. ...but here is the catch, resigning KCP will also hamstring the Nuggets enough they will also likely slip backwards. Specifically, to resign KCP it will take the $22-24 mil/year he will find elsewhere. Since KSE has shown little desire to trade MPJ, that KCP contract will send the Nuggets into a black hole of the 2nd apron where we can officially give up on seeing any appreciable bench improvement. Calvin has to either trade MPJ (KSE veto so far) or let KCP walk and HOPE CB can do enough to minimize losing MPJ or KCP so attention can be turned to improving the bench. The only escape hatch out of that quagmire is if Calvin can find some moron to take Zeke and Reggie (assuming he opts in) for basically nothing in return.
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Post by GBG on Jun 23, 2024 18:24:20 GMT -5
If KCP leaves, I predict the Nuggets let go of the rope a little bit. Meaning, they sink back into the WC pack of being a 4-6 seed, 45-50ish win team. KCP being here not only helps us on the floor, he gives the rest of the team confidence that we are a chip contender. This means buy-in and effort. Becoming a weaker team on paper will risk our edge and mark a continued decline from our championship season. I see no way Booth can patch over this loss. ...but here is the catch, resigning KCP will also hamstring the Nuggets enough they will also likely slip backwards. Specifically, to resign KCP it will take the $22-24 mil/year he will find elsewhere. Since KSE has shown little desire to trade MPJ, that KCP contract will send the Nuggets into a black hole of the 2nd apron where we can officially give up on seeing any appreciable bench improvement. Calvin has to either trade MPJ (KSE veto so far) or let KCP walk and HOPE CB can do enough to minimize losing MPJ or KCP so attention can be turned to improving the bench. The only escape hatch out of that quagmire is if Calvin can find some moron to take Zeke and Reggie (assuming he opts in) for basically nothing in return. The bench could improve organically. CB can improve. PWat can get a lot better on offense. Who knows? Maybe one of the drafted guys from last year pops, such as Straw or one of the second rounders. We are in a tough spot even if KCP returns. We are in a near impossible spot if he leaves, though, in terms of winning another chip. I’d rather take my chances on running it back with starting five, hoping for better health from Murray and the others next postseason, and organic bench improvement with perhaps a new vet min guy added as well.
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Post by duh88 on Jun 24, 2024 4:26:52 GMT -5
Apparently we worked Tyler Smith out. If we come away with Tyler Smith, that would be a steal! That kid has damn good talent.
Tyler is young so I have no clue what awaits with Malone's garbage rotations. Tyler, like any rookie, will need development time, but his fundamentals are polished. Couple the fact that he played in the G-League (not college) - I think he can give us rotation mins this year.
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Post by wicked3line on Jun 24, 2024 7:19:51 GMT -5
Couple the fact that he played in the G-League (not college) You do realize that was the now defunct G-League Ignite squad that I wouldn't point to as being something more than college. For one it was known for inconsistent structure, a system supporting putting up big stats instead of winning in a team structure, and each game turning into an exhibition showcase. NBA teams didn't feel that format was developing players but rather pushing an AAU style that they already disliked.
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Post by Ring on Jun 24, 2024 10:56:27 GMT -5
I feel like I'm the only Nuggets fan on Earth that is fine with letting KCP walk. There's no reason to give him 22-24M. He's a pretty good defender but he's also limited due to his lack of size. We saw this against guys like SGA/Ant where he got obliterated. CB is a much better option against those guys and has much more versatility than KCP. CB can't shoot like KCP. That's the real big difference. But he's a better cutter, better player in transition, better rebounder and a much stronger defender. I really want to go into the season with him as the starting 2 guard.
In a perfect world we do a sign and trade with KCP and bring back a bench player, preferably a PG. Also gives you an MLE to sign a backup C. Strawther gets the backup 2 guard spot.
So in a perfect world you'd roll with Insert PG here - Strawther - Watson - Drummond/Plumlee (hopefully)
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Post by JB on Jun 24, 2024 11:10:11 GMT -5
Braun in the starting lineup makes the 2MG easier to defend. quite literally every single team in the league would live with Braun shooting 3s over letting Jamal and Joker cook.
and for every Ant, there's a Kyrie and Jrue that we need KCP in the lineup to defend. Ant is a freak of nature built like skinny Charles Barkley but there's plenty of guards in the league that KCP is the better option.
KCP walking is a nightmare scenario no matter how you rationalize it. the only one that would benefit is the Kroenke's pocket book. elevating Braun to the SL makes the bench even weaker and we would still have no money to sign players beyond washed mercenaries.
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Post by Ring on Jun 24, 2024 12:36:07 GMT -5
Braun in the starting lineup makes the 2MG easier to defend. quite literally every single team in the league would live with Braun shooting 3s over letting Jamal and Joker cook. and for every Ant, there's a Kyrie and Jrue that we need KCP in the lineup to defend. Ant is a freak of nature built like skinny Charles Barkley but there's plenty of guards in the league that KCP is the better option. KCP walking is a nightmare scenario no matter how you rationalize it. the only one that would benefit is the Kroenke's pocket book. elevating Braun to the SL makes the bench even weaker and we would still have no money to sign players beyond washed mercenaries. There's no scenario where I'm paying KCP 22-24M per season. S&T with the Magic and grab one of their PGs.
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Post by JB on Jun 24, 2024 13:13:07 GMT -5
Braun in the starting lineup makes the 2MG easier to defend. quite literally every single team in the league would live with Braun shooting 3s over letting Jamal and Joker cook. and for every Ant, there's a Kyrie and Jrue that we need KCP in the lineup to defend. Ant is a freak of nature built like skinny Charles Barkley but there's plenty of guards in the league that KCP is the better option. KCP walking is a nightmare scenario no matter how you rationalize it. the only one that would benefit is the Kroenke's pocket book. elevating Braun to the SL makes the bench even weaker and we would still have no money to sign players beyond washed mercenaries. There's no scenario where I'm paying KCP 22-24M per season. S&T with the Magic and grab one of their PGs. what about the scenario of matching his salary with the sole intention of moving him down the line for assets? the Magic have cap space so they're not in the business of giving away good players for free. if the Nuggets want a S&T, they're going to have look for one and not rest on their laurels.
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