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Post by wicked3line on Aug 28, 2024 13:53:43 GMT -5
Obviously we will be worse without KCP. No doubt about it. The question becomes, would we be worse in the next 2-3 years with KCP and all the second apron issues OR can we use our new limited options to make up for the loss of KCP? Not sure I trust Booth on that one. but we dont have a choice anymore. Honestly, this debate about KCP is pointless as he took his talents to central Florida and that’s the end of it. It's obvious we are never going to get a consensus on what KCP would have meant this year as it varies from "he's washed"...to "he's reincarnated Kobe Bryant" but it just doesn't matter anyway. Back to the Nuggets 2024-2025 season. I'm in the camp that senses the Nuggets won't see any drop with CB in the starting lineup, especially on the defensive side. Yes, less 3 point shooting but improved transition scoring, points in the paint, and rebounding. The bigger question is if Strawther will be an adequate backup as we are going to find out although I still wager some of the backup SG minutes will involve a Jamal and Westbrook backcourt.
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Post by GBG on Aug 28, 2024 14:25:16 GMT -5
Obviously we will be worse without KCP. No doubt about it. The question becomes, would we be worse in the next 2-3 years with KCP and all the second apron issues OR can we use our new limited options to make up for the loss of KCP? Not sure I trust Booth on that one. but we dont have a choice anymore. Honestly, this debate about KCP is pointless as he took his talents to central Florida and that’s the end of it. It's obvious we are never going to get a consensus on what KCP would have meant this year as it varies from "he's washed"...to "he's reincarnated Kobe Bryant" but it just doesn't matter anyway. Back to the Nuggets 2024-2025 season. I'm in the camp that senses the Nuggets won't see any drop with CB in the starting lineup, especially on the defensive side. Yes, less 3 point shooting but improved transition scoring, points in the paint, and rebounding. The bigger question is if Strawther will be an adequate backup as we are going to find out although I still wager some of the backup SG minutes will involve a Jamal and Westbrook backcourt. Jamal and Westbrook will definitely share the floor together. It’s a Malone trademark to play his two PGs together. I wonder two things: How much will they play together, and who will be the third PG when one of them inevitably is hurting or resting? We don’t have the answer to these questions. Maybe Trey Alexander is a more critical piece for our season than even Strawther will be. He could fill the third PG hole for 50 games. Or maybe we trade for Micic as we are rumored to have interest. Or maybe CB or Straw handle the ball more as emergency PGs. I don’t like third option.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Aug 28, 2024 18:24:50 GMT -5
at 32 years old Danny Green was getting death threats from Laker fans because he was washed. we'll soon see KCP settle into a Wesley Matthews-like existence now that he's playing off Paolo and Wagner and not LeBron James, Anthony Davis, Jamal Murray and Nikola Jokic. Lakers fans thought KCP was s**t as well. This proves absolutely nothing. And i am not sure what you are arguing against. You think our team is better without KCP on the roster?
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Post by JB on Aug 28, 2024 18:27:32 GMT -5
I think Strawther showed enough stuff during SL that I'm very happy Malone is compelled to giving him rotation minutes. I need more data before I can say more.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Aug 28, 2024 18:44:34 GMT -5
I think KCP is a positive-value player, though diminished from his previous value, and losing him is a negative. Is it big enough to offset the positive of being able to afford Saric and possibly be able to make additional moves that would have been blocked by the second apron? I don't know. I think it's possible the team will end up taking another step back, but it's also possible that CB will be comparable overall as a starter and Russ + Strawther + Vlatko + Saric will make the bench better than it was with Reggie + CB with no reliable bigs last year. If we could have kept KCP without any cap/apron implications I'd think letting him go was a terrible move, but with the cap implications, I really think the team needed more playable bodies
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Post by GBG on Aug 28, 2024 19:35:54 GMT -5
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Post by famicommander on Aug 28, 2024 19:41:03 GMT -5
Walker was attainable for us if we didn't have 1/3 of our roster tied up in despair
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Post by GBG on Aug 28, 2024 19:53:33 GMT -5
Walker was attainable for us if we didn't have 1/3 of our roster tied up in despair We aren’t a serious contender this year, I’ve concluded. Wouldn’t be having deadwood on roster if we were. Sticking by my 4/5 seed prediction, though.
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Post by pie on Aug 29, 2024 5:21:00 GMT -5
Walker was attainable for us if we didn't have 1/3 of our roster tied up in despair We aren’t a serious contender this year, I’ve concluded. Wouldn’t be having deadwood on roster if we were. Sticking by my 4/5 seed prediction, though. Hunter Tyson and Jalen Pickett could (and should) be waived to make room for someone like Lonnie Walker, but this franchise does not care about winning. FIRE CALVIN BOOTH AND JOSH KROENKE
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Post by Ring on Aug 29, 2024 8:02:05 GMT -5
Nuggets are a permanent contender as long as Jokic is on the team. If Murray plays at a top tier level, it'll be very difficult for any team to beat the Nuggets in a series. Nothing else is really relevant as typically a few of the role players will have good series. We saw this in the Championship run.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Aug 29, 2024 8:07:46 GMT -5
2nd apron fobia lmaoooo, Celtics add Walker.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Aug 29, 2024 8:08:57 GMT -5
I think Strawther showed enough stuff during SL that I'm very happy Malone is compelled to giving him rotation minutes. I need more data before I can say more. Everyone knows the answer in hindsight lmal
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Post by nuggetshipster on Aug 29, 2024 8:09:27 GMT -5
Imagine healthy KCP in summer league
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Post by nuggetshipster on Aug 29, 2024 8:10:21 GMT -5
Imagine is we have ONE guard injury
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Post by GBG on Aug 29, 2024 8:51:38 GMT -5
Walker deal with Celtics is an Exhibit 10 contract, meaning that after camp he might be available again.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Aug 29, 2024 9:35:41 GMT -5
for reference, Exhibit 10 is a one-year non-guaranteed minimum deal that usually ends in being waived, with a small bonus if the player spends at least 60 days with the G-league affiliate after they're waived. Being a non-guaranteed minimum deal, it has no impact on the apron.
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Post by scooter on Aug 29, 2024 9:36:33 GMT -5
I think this is overstated. There is not a league full of Edwards-type players, and the Nuggets also need folks to guard slimmer, quicker guards like Curry and Irving and Garland and SGA and Fox and others. KCP is really good at sticking to those guys, including getting around screens and drawing screening fouls, and the Nuggets are going to take a step back in that area. While Braun is a very good defender, it’s difficult to envision him squeezing around screens the same way. The team will try to use schemes to adjust, but asking Jokic to hedge out higher or switch more onto those guards doesn’t seem great in terms of managing his workload. I could see them trying to really change up defensive matchups and move Gordon more onto screeners to avoid having to ask more of Jokic in those situations, with more matchup zone kinda concepts. Who knows maybe KCP can shut Ant down if he wasnt run into the ground Edwards was just operating at 100% and he was going to do what he was going to do in that series. He didn’t save much for the next series and was much less effective. There’s no point bashing any particular Nuggets’ defender — they were all tired and Edwards was at his best. That said, he’s a particular player for whom Braun is a better matchup. There remain other guys for whom KCP is a better defender and we’ll see some of that in the coming season.
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Post by JB on Aug 29, 2024 10:12:50 GMT -5
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Post by GBG on Aug 29, 2024 10:19:07 GMT -5
Wouldn’t be surprised if MPJ has some anxiety issues due to the negative attention he elicits from fans like you. Think about it.
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Post by JB on Aug 29, 2024 10:21:30 GMT -5
probably has anxiety over the earth being flat, or the Illuminati putting chemicals in the water that are making the frogs gay or whatever inane, idiotic conspiracy theory he's watching on tiktok
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