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Post by BBBbbb on Jul 31, 2024 3:29:02 GMT -5
Nba rules are stupid Either we max jamal or lose him for nothing we zero ways of replacing him. They force teams to make a bad decision. So the alternative that benefits markets like Denver would be what exactly? Honestly we're lucky he didn't qualify for the supermax, that would have been iffy. Max is what he could get at some other place, so pay and move on. I do have concerns it will not age nicely (in terms of his durability), but given all the other contracts we've been giving out or not matching, this one is less problematic.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 31, 2024 3:54:21 GMT -5
«Pay and move on»
Shame the same philosophy didnt apply for KCP
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 31, 2024 4:00:50 GMT -5
Nba rules are stupid Either we max jamal or lose him for nothing we zero ways of replacing him. They force teams to make a bad decision. So the alternative that benefits markets like Denver would be what exactly? Honestly we're lucky he didn't qualify for the supermax, that would have been iffy. Max is what he could get at some other place, so pay and move on. I do have concerns it will not age nicely (in terms of his durability), but given all the other contracts we've been giving out or not matching, this one is less problematic. All i know is Murray shouldnt make 50+ mill more than Tyus Jones. But he will
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Post by somborshuffle on Jul 31, 2024 7:03:46 GMT -5
You know the current cap system is absolutely crazy when the likes of Lamelo Ball, Desmond Bane and Franz Wagner are getting max rookie extensions.
So in the current climate, 50m for Jamal can be construed as oddly good value. He's shown that he's capable of being a good enough no.2 option behind Jokic to win a title.
Give that money to a dud like Tree Young instead and the Nuggets will have won their last title in the Jokic era.
The issue isn't the money given to Murray. It's the way the money has been spent to round out the roster in the last two offseasons.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 31, 2024 9:54:56 GMT -5
I have no idea why people think Jokic couldnt have won with another star guard. Yeah no guard is perfect. Neither is Mal. But playing with Jokic is cake.
Like do people here even believe he is generational
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Post by JB on Jul 31, 2024 10:44:22 GMT -5
nobody is doubting Jokic's greatness, but you actually need things like chemistry and cohesiveness to win a championship and Murray haters* like to fetishize a guy like Donovan Mitchell -- a 28 year old injury-prone overrated chucker that has a -2.51 NetRtg the past two playoff runs and never had to defer to a player like Jokic -- and think he can automatically slide in and become the perfect #2 to Jokic because he has better raw numbers than Jamal.
*don't get triggered. I'm not referring to you specifically.
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Post by pie on Jul 31, 2024 10:55:14 GMT -5
Eagerly waiting for Luka Dončić to request a trade to Denver ...
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 31, 2024 11:14:24 GMT -5
nobody is doubting Jokic's greatness, but you actually need things like chemistry and cohesiveness to win a championship and Murray haters* like to fetishize a guy like Donovan Mitchell -- a 28 year old injury-prone overrated chucker that has a -2.51 NetRtg the past two playoff runs and never had to defer to a player like Jokic -- and think he can automatically slide in and become the perfect #2 to Jokic because he has better raw numbers than Jamal. *don't get triggered. I'm not referring to you specifically. Good trigger warning i def would have gone off about not being an Murray hater I just want Murray to play like a star. Or to have another star. I dont want an injured Murray. Because Jokic can win with a guard star with him. He should win with one Slso think the Murray trade rumors is stupid because we wouldnt get equal or better value. And the NBA salary system is stupid
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Post by somborshuffle on Jul 31, 2024 15:53:16 GMT -5
Jokic could win with other guards; but the list is small. Not because Jokic isn't generational, but because the depth in talent in the league now is insane.
Kobe and Shaq won a 3peat against teams that wouldn't make it past the West play-in in 2024.
And Jamal in last year's playoffs was absolutely incredible in the moments he needed to be.
Obviously Jokic would win with Luka. They'd probably win 3-5 titles. Steph would still be good enough. Otherwise I'd say it's Ant, Brunson and Booker.
None of those guys will ever play for the Nuggets so you just gotta hope that Jamal takes basketball seriously and plays to the peak of his powers more often.
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Post by Ring on Jul 31, 2024 15:55:51 GMT -5
Murray is what he is. No idea why people expect it to just randomly change. Injury prone guy who will play through injuries and doesn't have a way to get easy baskets. So his ceiling is extremely high because he can make really tough shots and has great chemistry with Jokic. His floor is extremely low and much lower than any star guard simply because he can't get to the rim.
Murrays FG% at the rim was bottom 30 this year I believe. He's a very good, sometimes great player. Not elite. Not top 20.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 31, 2024 19:14:37 GMT -5
Jokic could win with other guards; but the list is small. Not because Jokic isn't generational, but because the depth in talent in the league now is insane. Kobe and Shaq won a 3peat against teams that wouldn't make it past the West play-in in 2024. And Jamal in last year's playoffs was absolutely incredible in the moments he needed to be. Obviously Jokic would win with Luka. They'd probably win 3-5 titles. Steph would still be good enough. Otherwise I'd say it's Ant, Brunson and Booker. None of those guys will ever play for the Nuggets so you just gotta hope that Jamal takes basketball seriously and plays to the peak of his powers more often. so people are doubting Jokic greatness @jb
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Post by wicked3line on Aug 1, 2024 8:35:52 GMT -5
Murray is what he is. No idea why people expect it to just randomly change. Injury prone guy who will play through injuries and doesn't have a way to get easy baskets. So his ceiling is extremely high because he can make really tough shots and has great chemistry with Jokic. His floor is extremely low and much lower than any star guard simply because he can't get to the rim. Murrays FG% at the rim was bottom 30 this year I believe. He's a very good, sometimes great player. Not elite. Not top 20. Been saying much of the same for years as Jamal is good and sits just outside of that All-Star (top 30) class of players although still a group that get big contracts. Just enjoy Jamal for what he provides instead of dreaming he becomes Devin Booker or Anthony Edwards. However, lets be real as the guy is not going to sniff an All-NBA team nor will he ever get a HOF nomination. Does that make his max contract look overdone? Maybe it does or maybe it does not as he's getting that type of money or within a few million of that from most teams.
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Post by ChuckTaylor on Aug 1, 2024 9:53:40 GMT -5
#2 options on championship winning teams get max contracts in the NBA. Any outside assessment of value is moot. One of the 50 or so people who actually make that decision will give it to him regardless. He may be a Jokic product, at this point it’s hard to really know, but he’s getting the max so why create a problem in one of the best locker rooms in the league.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Aug 1, 2024 10:09:30 GMT -5
Agree with plenty but best lockerroom? We will never know what Murray did in the Bones situation. And Holmes said literally the only Nugget to reach out after the draft was Strawther.
This aint the Monte Morris days
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Post by GBG on Aug 1, 2024 10:16:40 GMT -5
Good for Jamal when he gets the max from us.
It’s not my money.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Aug 1, 2024 11:22:28 GMT -5
Murray is what he is. No idea why people expect it to just randomly change. Injury prone guy who will play through injuries and doesn't have a way to get easy baskets. So his ceiling is extremely high because he can make really tough shots and has great chemistry with Jokic. His floor is extremely low and much lower than any star guard simply because he can't get to the rim. Murrays FG% at the rim was bottom 30 this year I believe. He's a very good, sometimes great player. Not elite. Not top 20. Bingo!!
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Post by nuggetshipster on Aug 1, 2024 16:22:17 GMT -5
Good for Jamal when he gets the max from us. It’s not my money. Shame this energy wasnt kept for KCP
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Post by wicked3line on Aug 3, 2024 10:26:58 GMT -5
Good for Jamal when he gets the max from us. It’s not my money. Shame this energy wasnt kept for KCP Well, in the 2nd apron "no-go" zone...a guy only averaging 10 ppg in 32 mpg that is turning 32 next season is the obvious choice to let walk when he gets $20+ mil/year. Jamal on the other hand simply isn't replaceable if they let him walk after next season.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Aug 3, 2024 18:08:37 GMT -5
I bet the 2025 NBA Champion is in the 2nd apron
Im definitely not saying dont extend Jamal
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Post by somborshuffle on Aug 4, 2024 2:08:06 GMT -5
Bogdanovic looks great for Serbia alongside Jokic.
He'd be an absolute dream trade target for the Nuggets.
We can dream at least.
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