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Post by GBG on Jul 26, 2024 15:48:12 GMT -5
I think we’re all (including me) trying to talk ourselves into this Westbrook thing possibly working out, as it is probably our only chance of being a title contender this season. Look at it this way…. 1) We upgraded backup PG with Russ replacing Reggie. Despite the inferior 3PT shooting, he’s better than Reggie in every other way, even at age 36. 2) We upgraded backup C/PF with Saric replacing most Zeke and DJ minutes, though Zeke and DJ are still here for depth. Zeke might not be here for long, though. 3) We upgraded starting SG with Braun taking this role in place of KCP. The shooting isn’t as proven, but Braun has more size and youth on his side. An upgrade. 4) We likely downgraded backup wing by replacing Braun with Strawther, who is an unproven chucking sophomore player until he isn’t. Potential is there, but let’s see. 5) We upgraded backup forward depth with the return of Cancar, who will slowly return to the form we liked in the 2022/23 season. 6) We lost our rookie big for the season, but was he gonna play over 500 minutes this season? It hurts, affecting our depth, but if our rotation guys are healthy, we weather it. We are in the mix in Western conference. There are legitimate reasons for concern given our overall shooting, backcourt depth and shooting specifically. But OKC, Minny, and Dallas are the only plausible roadblocks to another NBA Finals appearance. If we have a healthy season, and especially if Jokic/ Murray have full health and energy next postseason, we could go far.
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Post by JB on Jul 26, 2024 15:53:55 GMT -5
the only thing I care about: we went from 0 playable vets on the bench to 2. and Braun getting a promotion is a blessing in disguise as Strawther is better fit for Russ as he will space the floor and will get good looks generated for him in return.
I was called a Debbie Downer because I delved into the stats which showed Reggie Jackson was on an unstoppable decline with the Clippers and there was a reason why he was available on the buyout market. Russ is a different story, he played effectively for the Clippers until the Harden trade. so there's reason for optimism, but nothing is certain obviously.
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Post by GBG on Jul 26, 2024 16:01:19 GMT -5
the only thing I care about: we went from 0 playable vets on the bench to 2. and Braun getting a promotion is a blessing in disguise as Strawther is better fit for Russ as he will space the floor and will get good looks generated for him in return. I was called a Debbie Downer because I delved into the stats which showed Reggie Jackson was on an unstoppable decline with the Clippers and there was a reason why he was available on the buyout market. Russ is a different story, he played effectively for the Clippers until the Harden trade. so there's reason for optimism, but nothing is certain obviously. I forgot to mention this is the second full season with PWat in the rotation. If he has a leap, or at least an uptick in 3PT% to 34-36%, he will help us more this season than last season. Yeah, we are a 4/5 seed, most likely 4-seed behind OKC, Minny, and Dallas. But we are still a WC contender.
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Post by famicommander on Jul 26, 2024 19:46:57 GMT -5
Westbrook will apparently wear #4.
Hopefully this means they're cutting Tyson, but in reality he probably just gave it up to Russ. Hopefully Russ gets the kid a nice gift in exchange for it.
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Post by rock on Jul 26, 2024 20:23:40 GMT -5
Westbrook will apparently wear #4. Hopefully this means they're cutting Tyson, but in reality he probably just gave it up to Russ. Hopefully Russ gets the kid a nice gift in exchange for it. imagine if that was actually part of the negotiation. getting russ for tyson makes this deal 100 times better.
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Post by duh88 on Jul 26, 2024 22:53:47 GMT -5
We're the clear favorite.
The biggest signing is really Saric.
Notice that every bad bench in the Jokic era was because we didn't have a legit big-man off the bench, or an undersized center. Saric is going to give Jokic so much rest and also make the bench functional - able to rebound and play some defense in the paint.
And Malone will also play him. I'm ecstastic. Bummed that Holmes won't play this year - but at least he balls out next year.
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Post by scooter on Jul 27, 2024 10:11:04 GMT -5
Westbrook will apparently wear #4. Hopefully this means they're cutting Tyson, but in reality he probably just gave it up to Russ. Hopefully Russ gets the kid a nice gift in exchange for it. imagine if that was actually part of the negotiation. getting russ for tyson makes this deal 100 times better. Fami has adopted a mindset of relentless attack on certain young Nuggets players, even though he has seen extremely little of them playing in an NBA environment. Rooting against Nuggets’ players seems bad to me. I have my opinions about roster construction and have stated it when guys have gotten opportunities and have hurt the team with their play, but in general, I’d much rather see Nuggets’ players succeed. The odds were always heavily against Hunter Tyson being more than an end of bench guy for the Nuggets, but the team does need those guys too. And since we have seen him play how many minutes with NBA players in an NBA environment (?), and there is no evidence he’s a bonehead or a bad teammate, I’m just not sure why anyone is rooting so hard for his failure. (I’ll add that I hope for good things in life for Pickett, but he just doesn’t seem to have attributes to really ever help the Nuggets, even as a deep bench guy)
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 27, 2024 11:23:34 GMT -5
Wild to think that pointing out that he looks way out of his league is rooting against him
Everyone would love for him to be servicable
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 27, 2024 11:26:14 GMT -5
I dont think Rock or Fami rooting for Tyson to be cut because it would make Tyson feel bad. But because it would give us an extra roster spot
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Post by scooter on Jul 27, 2024 12:20:30 GMT -5
I dont think Rock or Fami rooting for Tyson to be cut because it would make Tyson feel bad. But because it would give us an extra roster spot 1. The team is not going to waive 2 players with guaranteed multi-year contracts. 2. I don’t know enough about the cap situation and dead money and how that projects to know whether the Nuggets would waive even 1 player with a guaranteed contract in order to sign somebody else (or convert Alexander’s contract to a roster contract), but Pickett — who is nearly a year older than Tyson — is the player who seems lost in the current situation. 3. Malone seems to absolutely want to move on from Pickett — saying publicly from the summer league sidelines that the team desperately needed to sign a backup PG — and seems to like having Tyson around. He and other coaches and the front office guys see scrimmages and practices we don’t see. Media guys have reported that Tyson has played well in scrimmages and practices, and there are 0 such reports about Pickett. The team also signed Tyson’s college teammate and friend PJ Hall to a two-way contract, which to me is a small but real sign that Tyson remains part of the team. I think there is no chance the team is considering waiving Tyson now. Is it possible he gets traded? Sure.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 27, 2024 12:24:29 GMT -5
Its not that deep. The reason they said Tyson is because of Westbrook getting #4.
Kroenkes obviously wouldnt accept anyone getting waived
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Post by famicommander on Jul 27, 2024 12:35:35 GMT -5
imagine if that was actually part of the negotiation. getting russ for tyson makes this deal 100 times better. Fami has adopted a mindset of relentless attack on certain young Nuggets players, even though he has seen extremely little of them playing in an NBA environment. Rooting against Nuggets’ players seems bad to me. I have my opinions about roster construction and have stated it when guys have gotten opportunities and have hurt the team with their play, but in general, I’d much rather see Nuggets’ players succeed. The odds were always heavily against Hunter Tyson being more than an end of bench guy for the Nuggets, but the team does need those guys too. And since we have seen him play how many minutes with NBA players in an NBA environment (?), and there is no evidence he’s a bonehead or a bad teammate, I’m just not sure why anyone is rooting so hard for his failure. (I’ll add that I hope for good things in life for Pickett, but he just doesn’t seem to have attributes to really ever help the Nuggets, even as a deep bench guy) I'm not rooting against anyone. I've seen these guys play way, way more than anyone else here and I'm just describing what I've seen. I told you exactly what Tyson would look like in this Summer League before it happened because I watched it all damn year last year in the G-League. There is plenty of evidence he's a bad teammate, and you'd know that if you watched him play an entire season last year pouting whenever he doesn't get to launch up double digit shots. You'd know that if you watched him steadfastly refuse to play hard last season. Lazy rebounding, no boxing out, no effort on defense.
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Post by famicommander on Jul 27, 2024 12:42:31 GMT -5
I dont think Rock or Fami rooting for Tyson to be cut because it would make Tyson feel bad. But because it would give us an extra roster spot 1. The team is not going to waive 2 players with guaranteed multi-year contracts. 2. I don’t know enough about the cap situation and dead money and how that projects to know whether the Nuggets would waive even 1 player with a guaranteed contract in order to sign somebody else (or convert Alexander’s contract to a roster contract), but Pickett — who is nearly a year older than Tyson — is the player who seems lost in the current situation. 3. Malone seems to absolutely want to move on from Pickett — saying publicly from the summer league sidelines that the team desperately needed to sign a backup PG — and seems to like having Tyson around. He and other coaches and the front office guys see scrimmages and practices we don’t see. Media guys have reported that Tyson has played well in scrimmages and practices, and there are 0 such reports about Pickett. The team also signed Tyson’s college teammate and friend PJ Hall to a two-way contract, which to me is a small but real sign that Tyson remains part of the team. I think there is no chance the team is considering waiving Tyson now. Is it possible he gets traded? Sure. Media guys? The same idiot media guys who said last year that Tyson was a star and Pickett was going to push Reggie out of the rotation? The ones who called Pickett a mini-Jokic and said Tyson was going to get more minutes than Watson and Holiday? Those media guys? Remember during the Summer League when Malone praised the "young guys" on the team and mentioned Holmes, Hall, Alexander, Watson, Strawther, and Braun by name? Why do you think he mentioned every single guy who had been in the league 3 years or fewer except Tyson and Pickett? I know Pickett had a way worse Summer this year than Tyson, but I promise you they're both the same tier of absolutely hopeless at the NBA level. Holding onto either or both of them is just an exercise in denial.
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Post by rock on Jul 27, 2024 12:54:43 GMT -5
I dont think Rock or Fami rooting for Tyson to be cut because it would make Tyson feel bad. But because it would give us an extra roster spot Exactly this Of course I’d like Tyson to become a great player. But I also want the nuggets to win lots of games. If we can release Tyson and pick-up say, a Lonnie walker, we are undoubtedly a better team this year
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Post by famicommander on Jul 27, 2024 15:27:07 GMT -5
Suns added Tyus Jones on a 1 year minimum.
They needed point guard help so they went out and got Monte Morris, Tyus Jones, and Collin Gillespie.
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Post by Tymes Rhymes on Jul 27, 2024 15:52:50 GMT -5
Suns added Tyus Jones on a 1 year minimum. They needed point guard help so they went out and got Monte Morris, Tyus Jones, and Collin Gillespie. Meanwhile, we have a Jamal Murray, whom is getting clowned on Twitter for not playing well in one Olympic game. An aging Russell Westbrook whom has heart but is a question mark as to how he will fit with our scheme. a Jalen Pickett and a Trey Alexander whom was impressive in Summer League but is a rookie and more than likely won't receive any substantial minutes outside of the G-League assignments. Life is grand...
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Post by somborshuffle on Jul 27, 2024 15:54:01 GMT -5
That's an insanely good deal for the Suns. They keep finding a way to add valuable pieces.
Westbrook needs to have a great season otherwise those min deals to GTJ and Jones should spell the end of Booth.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 27, 2024 15:56:05 GMT -5
Suns added Tyus Jones on a 1 year minimum. They needed point guard help so they went out and got Monte Morris, Tyus Jones, and Collin Gillespie. Quality
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Post by famicommander on Jul 27, 2024 16:05:31 GMT -5
That's an insanely good deal for the Suns. They keep finding a way to add valuable pieces. Westbrook needs to have a great season otherwise those min deals to GTJ and Jones should spell the end of Booth. Don't forget Delon Wright signed a minimum. And Holiday and Walker are both still out there.
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Post by famicommander on Jul 27, 2024 16:06:41 GMT -5
Suns added Tyus Jones on a 1 year minimum. They needed point guard help so they went out and got Monte Morris, Tyus Jones, and Collin Gillespie. Quality They did well at addressing that specific need. I still think they're too old on the whole and too soft up front, but at least the coach seems to have won the battle against ownership/front office on the "do we need point guards on the roster" debate.
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