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Post by freakns on May 18, 2024 7:41:57 GMT -5
the only part that bothers me about Jamal is his physical shape. its infuriating.
Michael Jordan was in crazy physical shape.
Kobe Bryant was working on his body every day, 7 days a week.
LeBron has private chef since he was 20 yrs old and is working more then anyone else. I remember when Sasha Pavlovic spoke on Serbian TV, they asked him about LeBron(he come to Cavs one year after LeBron, in 2004) and Pavlovic said when he came to Cavs, he wanted to prove himself, so first gym training he decided to go to gym 30 minutes before anyone else, to show everyone how serious he is about this... when he got to gym, LeBron was already there, all sweaty, working like crazy...
Jokic is lifting after every game so he can keep his body in shape.
etc, etc...
all of the greats, they took it to the max and one step beyond in taking care of their bodies. and Jamal? he cant be bother to come to training camp in shape. he is like Harden, using regular season to get in shape... and that is why he is constantly getting injured.
outside of that, no problem with either Murray or MPJ. ring being done with Murray and MPJ means nothing. he was done with AG couple months ago. Murray and MPJ have 8 series wins(7 together, Jamal has Spurs, MPJ has Blazers). and no, its not all Jokic cause we saw how it ended without them. to compare, Nuggets have 9 series wins in their history without Murray and MPJ. if Nuggets win game 7, Murray and MPJ will each have same number of series wins as whole freaking franchise had in 40 years
neither of them is going anywhere regardless of results, so you better get used to having both of them around for at least 3 more years.
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Post by passtheballquick on May 18, 2024 10:11:08 GMT -5
The problem with our 2 max players comes when they both suck. They're among a few worst defenders carrying the max contract in the history of the game. One is a lost cause and the other one is injured, not conditioned properly or whatever. When their shots are not falling in, they tend to be even worse on defense trying to conserve energy for the offense. Now instead of taking some scoring load from Jokic, they expose him even more than normal on defense as he needs to run on the perimeter to cover for both of them.
That being said, when one of them is good, Jokic with his greatness can win you a series. When they both suck we lose the game as we play 3 on 5. Now Murray has several highly valuable skills that MPJ doesn't. The swag, the 2 man game, that killer instinct is not easily replaceable so he's not going anywhere. No AS player can replace Murray easily. On the other side imo, mpj is easily replaceable for half the money. He had some good games for sure and was a huge part of the ring run but I could see him being replaced easily if we fail this year. Murray absolutely deserves more time in Denver
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Post by JB on May 18, 2024 10:28:43 GMT -5
fans who think Trae Young or Donovan Mitchell, who generate their assists by dominating the ball and passing out when the defense denies them scoring opportunities, will come and immediately mesh with Jokic are not appreciating the fact Jamal spent his entire career learning to play with Jokic and honing their 2MG. and it doesn't work if Jamal doesn't buy into Jokic-ball from day 1. Jamal gets exactly 0 credit from Nugget fans for sacrificing his personal game for the sake of winning. is Trae Young willing to make that sacrifice, or is he going to look at Joker like a glorified Mozgov and start playing hero ball if his numbers start dipping?
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Post by wizardofcozz on May 18, 2024 11:03:23 GMT -5
Who the hello is pushing for Trae Young. Now Mitchell I'm intrigued by, though he has his own injury issues but I feel he's more talented than Murray overall.
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Post by JB on May 18, 2024 11:07:54 GMT -5
well, I keep hearing the Nuggets need to trade Jamal for an "All-Star PG" and he's the one that's going to be available.
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Post by Ring on May 18, 2024 11:39:28 GMT -5
well, I keep hearing the Nuggets need to trade Jamal for an "All-Star PG" and he's the one that's going to be available. Donovan Mitchell is a much better player than Jamal. It would probably look different but I highly doubt the team would suffer from a 1 for 1 even though that has no chance at happening. Jamal is going nowhere. MPJ is a guy they really should look to move off of though. He's at his ceiling and his ceiling is just a pretty good role player. |
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Post by Ring on May 18, 2024 11:45:09 GMT -5
the only part that bothers me about Jamal is his physical shape. its infuriating. Michael Jordan was in crazy physical shape. Kobe Bryant was working on his body every day, 7 days a week. LeBron has private chef since he was 20 yrs old and is working more then anyone else. I remember when Sasha Pavlovic spoke on Serbian TV, they asked him about LeBron(he come to Cavs one year after LeBron, in 2004) and Pavlovic said when he came to Cavs, he wanted to prove himself, so first gym training he decided to go to gym 30 minutes before anyone else, to show everyone how serious he is about this... when he got to gym, LeBron was already there, all sweaty, working like crazy... Jokic is lifting after every game so he can keep his body in shape. etc, etc... all of the greats, they took it to the max and one step beyond in taking care of their bodies. and Jamal? he cant be bother to come to training camp in shape. he is like Harden, using regular season to get in shape... and that is why he is constantly getting injured. outside of that, no problem with either Murray or MPJ. ring being done with Murray and MPJ means nothing. he was done with AG couple months ago. Murray and MPJ have 8 series wins(7 together, Jamal has Spurs, MPJ has Blazers). and no, its not all Jokic cause we saw how it ended without them. to compare, Nuggets have 9 series wins in their history without Murray and MPJ. if Nuggets win game 7, Murray and MPJ will each have same number of series wins as whole freaking franchise had in 40 years neither of them is going anywhere regardless of results, so you better get used to having both of them around for at least 3 more years. There's no way you can possibly believe that both of those guys are roster locks for 3+ years. If the Nuggets don't win a Championship this year or next, changes will absolutely be made. There's no doubt about that. You think the front office is stupid enough to not realize they have an all time great and can basically guarantee themselves Championships and $$$ by just putting better talent around him? Jokic has not had a single All Star or NBA Team teammate in his entire career. It's embarrassing. This is also a guy who makes all of his teammates better and he still can't elevate them high enough to just All Star status. If you want to pay 60+M to a guy who is hurt all the time and a guy who cannot play against physical defenses, then I think you're dumb. Keeping Jamal is one thing. If you want MPJ on this team long-term you're just an idiot. Do you think Minnesota is just going to go away? They are always going to be in our way and MPJ cannot play against them because they are long and physical and he is soft as baby s**t. |
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Post by JB on May 18, 2024 11:45:20 GMT -5
Donovan is a better player in a vacuum.
but compare what Ant is doing with washed Conley and Gobert compared to the Donovan/Conley/Gobert Jazz. Donovan does not effect winning to the point where he's "much better" than NBA Champion Jamal Murray.
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Post by wizardofcozz on May 18, 2024 11:58:04 GMT -5
Donovan is a better player in a vacuum. but compare what Ant is doing with washed Conley and Gobert compared to the Donovan/Conley/Gobert Jazz. Donovan does not effect winning to the point where he's "much better" than NBA Champion Jamal Murray. Mitchell isn't the reason Utah wasn't able to win it all. Nor was Gobert the reason. They didn't have the wing/perimeter defenders nor length at the 4 like MIN does nor am I saying Mitchell is as good as ANT, but he woukdnt have to be here. He just needs to be Robin to Jokic Batman. |
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Post by Ring on May 18, 2024 12:06:28 GMT -5
Donovan is a better player in a vacuum. but compare what Ant is doing with washed Conley and Gobert compared to the Donovan/Conley/Gobert Jazz. Donovan does not effect winning to the point where he's "much better" than NBA Champion Jamal Murray. A) Gobert is awesome. B) Conley is still very good. C) Donovan isn't a #1 option. He's not as good as Ant. Ant is a top 10 player, realistically Top 6-7. Donovan is in that 12-15 range. Murray is not a top 20 player in basketball. Probably not even Top 25 if we're being fair. |
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Post by Dante on May 18, 2024 12:11:44 GMT -5
Nobody wanted AG after Orlando went in rebuild mode. Compare that AG to this version of AG playing next to Jokic. Now imagine proper all star max players next to Jokic that actually earned their contracts unlike MPJ/Jamal who have been mediocre in regular season and injury prone their entire NBA careers.
It's one thing to have 2 max players that are not deserving that amount of $. But to have them both act like superstars while giving you nothing on defense is just idiocracy.
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Post by BBBbbb on May 18, 2024 12:42:08 GMT -5
Nobody wanted AG after Orlando went in rebuild mode. Compare that AG to this version of AG playing next to Jokic. Now imagine proper all star max players next to Jokic that actually earned their contracts unlike MPJ/Jamal who have been mediocre in regular season and injury prone their entire NBA careers. It's one thing to have 2 max players that are not deserving that amount of $. But to have them both act like superstars while giving you nothing on defense is just idiocracy. Keep in mind that Minny has 2 supermax players that don't live up to their contracts.
Out of our starting five, 3 players outplay their contracts if you compare to the production median of others paid that money (Jokic, AG, KCP) and two don't - Murray and MPJ, though Murray is might just be the median.
Only teams fresh out of the rebuilding phase that nail their picks can be expected to be 5/5.
You guys are expecting too much, we are not a big market team, we have to build internally and take risks on contracts. Yes it sucks that MPJ has been paid on a potential that is still not materialized and probably will never be to the full extent, and it sucks that Murray is not quite durable, but there was probably never a realistic clear cut moment where we could have flipped them for something better (w/o being Mr hindsight)
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Post by JB on May 18, 2024 12:43:03 GMT -5
Nobody wanted AG after Orlando went in rebuild mode. Compare that AG to this version of AG playing next to Jokic. Now imagine proper all star max players next to Jokic that actually earned their contracts unlike MPJ/Jamal who have been mediocre in regular season and injury prone their entire NBA careers. It's one thing to have 2 max players that are not deserving that amount of $. But to have them both act like superstars while giving you nothing on defense is just idiocracy. key difference is Gordon made peace with the fact he was not talented enough to be a #1 option and accepted his role as a souped up K-Mart with some Iggy thrown in. Trae Young (again, if we're being realistic this is who you're getting) or NT's dream acquisition Donovan Mitchell would make no such peace if they were traded to the Nuggets. they would look at your beloved Jokic as a tool to ease their scoring just like they looked at Rudy Gobert, Allen and Capella as a tool to rebound their misses and protect the rim for their non-existent defense. they have no frame of reference for Jokic-ball and will not accept a downgrade to Jamal Murray level. |
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Post by sawyeral on May 18, 2024 12:53:58 GMT -5
Win or lose..I’m proud of this team for the fight they’ve shown. There was never any shame in losing to the TWolves on a long series. Disappointing that Murray didn’t consistently show out, but every eliminated team has performances from their stars that don’t measure up … otherwise they wouldn’t be eliminated.
You can argue that losing by 26 and 45 in a couple games was not becoming of a defending champion, but looking back…it’s not unheard of for great teams to get run out of the gym on occasion.
Line has gone from 4.5 to 5.5. Here’s to hoping that our run this year isn’t quite over tomorrow night.
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Post by rock on May 18, 2024 13:15:27 GMT -5
Guys I don’t know how you do it. I feel sick thinking about game 7. I wish I didn’t care so much but unfortunately I do.
When my other favorite teams play, it’s never even 1% as bad as this is. Losing sucks but it only hurts when the nuggets lose.
It’s just sports, right? Like my brain gets it, but the rest of my body doesn’t.
The only comfort I find is this same situation played out in 2019. Up 3-2. Lost a second round game 6 on the road. Then lost game 7 at home. And that was to my most hated rival and we blew a 17(?) point lead.
Losses rarely get worse than that. And I got over it. It eventually goes away and just becomes an annoying memory. The pain does disappear.
Tomorrow is going to really hurt but it’s only temporary. Life goes on.
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Post by JB on May 18, 2024 13:25:03 GMT -5
Guys I don’t know how you do it. I feel sick thinking about game 7. I wish I didn’t care so much but unfortunately I do. When my other favorite teams play, it’s never even 1% as bad as this is. Losing sucks but it only hurts when the nuggets lose. It’s just sports, right? Like my brain gets it, but the rest of my body doesn’t. The only comfort I find is this same situation played out in 2019. Up 3-2. Lost a second round game 6 on the road. Then lost game 7 at home. And that was to my most hated rival and we blew a 17(?) point lead. Losses rarely get worse than that. And I got over it. It eventually goes away and just becomes an annoying memory. The pain does disappear. Tomorrow is going to really hurt but it’s only temporary. Life goes on. the 2019 Blazers were the veteran playoff team and the 2019 Nuggets were the upstarts on their first run so that series should give you hope, if anything. we're at home. we've done this many times before. the Wolves are on the road and have not done this many times before. Jamal has an extra day of rest and is going to prove to NT yet again his value to the Nuggets. have faith rock. |
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Post by JB on May 18, 2024 13:37:34 GMT -5
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Post by rock on May 18, 2024 13:38:02 GMT -5
Guys I don’t know how you do it. I feel sick thinking about game 7. I wish I didn’t care so much but unfortunately I do. When my other favorite teams play, it’s never even 1% as bad as this is. Losing sucks but it only hurts when the nuggets lose. It’s just sports, right? Like my brain gets it, but the rest of my body doesn’t. The only comfort I find is this same situation played out in 2019. Up 3-2. Lost a second round game 6 on the road. Then lost game 7 at home. And that was to my most hated rival and we blew a 17(?) point lead. Losses rarely get worse than that. And I got over it. It eventually goes away and just becomes an annoying memory. The pain does disappear. Tomorrow is going to really hurt but it’s only temporary. Life goes on. the 2019 Blazers were the veteran playoff team and the 2019 Nuggets were the upstarts on their first run so that series should give you hope, if anything. we're at home. we've done this many times before. the Wolves are on the road and have not done this many times before. Jamal has an extra day of rest and isn't nearly as bad as the caricature NT created of him. have faith rock. Thanks but I have very little hope tomorrow. Games 1&2 crushed me. But games 3-5 reeled me back only for game 6 to hurt me again. It’s like the curse is toying with my emotions. And now he gets one more chance to do it again. Teams do not lose by 45 and then turn around and win. Losing by ten is one thing. 45 is historic. I’m guessing top ten all time worse loss in nba playoff history? We could have hit every 3 and still lost. I’m just glad it’s all over tomorrow. |
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Post by JB on May 18, 2024 13:46:37 GMT -5
just as a factual matter, the St. Louis Hawks lost to the Minneapolis Lakers by 58 and ended up winning the series. it was a best of 3 but regardless.
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Post by rock on May 18, 2024 13:57:33 GMT -5
just as a factual matter, the St. Louis Hawks lost to the Minneapolis Lakers by 58 and ended up winning the series. it was a best of 3 but regardless. Yeah but those are the 1956 St. Louis hawks Do jamal Murray and mpj look like Chuck share and Jack Coleman to you? Is frank selvy walking through the doors and putting on a mile high jersey to save the day? I don’t think so. |
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