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Post by GBG on Apr 17, 2024 16:31:55 GMT -5
Is Skip even a member of the Screen Actors Guild? |
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Post by JB on Apr 18, 2024 9:46:34 GMT -5
this is why Jokic is the GOAT. no mole pods.
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Post by famicommander on Apr 18, 2024 10:22:55 GMT -5
Chris Mannix voted for SGA for MVP.
All that's missing is Nick Wright and the group of hot take merchant idiots will be complete.
Mannix is by a wide margin the dumbest man in the boxing media. His rep holds true in basketball.
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Post by duh88 on Apr 18, 2024 15:26:41 GMT -5
this is why Jokic is the GOAT. no mole pods. Words can’t describe how happy this made me. Jokic is a true nugget, all the way into his soul. |
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Post by JB on Apr 18, 2024 15:30:04 GMT -5
usually I experience second hand cringe when I watch someone get rejected so ruthlessly, but I truly enjoyed that moment lol.
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Post by famicommander on Apr 19, 2024 14:32:41 GMT -5
NBA awards vote tracking update
MVP: Jokic leads with 21/26 1st place votes (SGA 4, Luka 1)
DPOY: Gobert leads with 13/17 1st place votes (Wemby 4)
MIP: Maxey leads with 6/12 1st place votes (White 4, Sengun 2)
ROY: Wemby leads with 14/14 1st place votes
6th Man: Reid leads with 10/16 1st place votes (Monk 6)
Coach: Daigneault leads with 10/11 1st place votes (Mazzulla 1)
Kendrick Perkins is so far the only one who left Giannis off his 1st team All NBA squad. He went Jokic, Luka, SGA, Tatum, and Brunson.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2024 15:11:28 GMT -5
NBA awards vote tracking update MVP: Jokic leads with 21/26 1st place votes (SGA 4, Luka 1) DPOY: Gobert leads with 13/17 1st place votes (Wemby 4) MIP: Maxey leads with 6/12 1st place votes (White 4, Sengun 2) ROY: Wemby leads with 14/14 1st place votes 6th Man: Reid leads with 10/16 1st place votes (Monk 6) Coach: Daigneault leads with 10/11 1st place votes (Mazzulla 1) Kendrick Perkins is so far the only one who left Giannis off his 1st team All NBA squad. He went Jokic, Luka, SGA, Tatum, and Brunson. Congrats to Jokic on his 3rd MVP!! It should have been his 4th MVP (but he got robbed last year) |
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Post by GBG on Apr 19, 2024 15:21:19 GMT -5
NBA awards vote tracking update MVP: Jokic leads with 21/26 1st place votes (SGA 4, Luka 1) DPOY: Gobert leads with 13/17 1st place votes (Wemby 4) MIP: Maxey leads with 6/12 1st place votes (White 4, Sengun 2) ROY: Wemby leads with 14/14 1st place votes 6th Man: Reid leads with 10/16 1st place votes (Monk 6) Coach: Daigneault leads with 10/11 1st place votes (Mazzulla 1) Kendrick Perkins is so far the only one who left Giannis off his 1st team All NBA squad. He went Jokic, Luka, SGA, Tatum, and Brunson. Congrats to Jokic on his 3rd MVP!! It should have been his 4th MVP (but he got robbed last year) Four MVP-level years with hopefully four more left in him. |
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Apr 19, 2024 15:42:09 GMT -5
Realistically had Jokic rightfully won the MVP last season over Embiid, it'd be hard to imagine the voters giving him 4 straight this year with how strong of candidates Luka and SGA are. Like it or not, a large part of the MVP vote is centered around narrative. Last season the narrative hurt Jok because voters didn't want to give 3 straight to a guy with "minimal playoff success." That a long with all the dumbass s**t from Perk.
This season the narrative drastically shifted in his favor after winning the chip and people realizing how much of a snub it was. In some ways it feels like voters feel the need to right that wrong, though to me he's still clearly the #1 candidate in a vacuum. But I do think the narrative would probably have shifted back to "Jokic is great, but we can't make him the first player in history to win 4 straight MVPs."
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Post by aussie on Apr 19, 2024 15:54:07 GMT -5
Is anyone on here talking about MPJ and the recent news about both brothers? Surely a distraction heading in to the playoffs..
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Post by famicommander on Apr 19, 2024 16:14:17 GMT -5
I would imagine he knew what to expect with the DUI crash for quite some time now. 6 years for killing someone is actually a pretty light sentence all things considered.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Apr 19, 2024 16:14:41 GMT -5
Like it or not, a large part of the MVP vote is centered around narrative 13 of the last 15 years, the MVP has led at least 2 of the 5 categories of PER, VORP, WS, WS/48, and BPM. Narrative comes in 2 ways: first, if there are 2 players each leading multiple of those categories, narrative serves as a tiebreaker. And second, if there's a *very* strong narrative both against the dominant stats leader and for an alternative, that's where you get the other 2 of the last 15 years. One of them was DRose having a strong narrative due to the Bulls' huge improved record and surprise one seed, and a strong anti-LeBron-superteam narrative. The other was Embiid having a strong narrative due to big h2h numbers against Jokic and playing hard down the stretch, and a strong anti-3peat-for-a-guy-without-a-championship-who-was-also-coasting narrative against Jokic. If Jokic had won 3 in a row, he'd still have the dominant lead in the advanced stats, and there would be an anti-4peat narrative, but IDK if either Luka or SGA would have a strong enough in-favor narrative. I think it'd be a *very* split vote. |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 19, 2024 16:17:53 GMT -5
Oh, I absolutely believe they'd rob Jokic this year if they hadn't robbed him last year.
They freaking robbed Michael Jordan in his prime because of their precious gatekeeping nonsense. Sportswriters are vindictive. These are the same types of clowns who refused to vote for guys like Willy Mays, Greg Maddux, Ted Williams, Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron, etc to get into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot because they stupidly believed that since Babe Ruth didn't get in with 100% of the vote nobody ever should. It took all the way until Mariano Rivera for someone to be a unanimous first ballot Hall of Famer.
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Post by GBG on Apr 19, 2024 19:12:30 GMT -5
Oh, I absolutely believe they'd rob Jokic this year if they hadn't robbed him last year. They freaking robbed Michael Jordan in his prime because of their precious gatekeeping nonsense. Sportswriters are vindictive. These are the same types of clowns who refused to vote for guys like Willy Mays, Greg Maddux, Ted Williams, Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron, etc to get into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot because they stupidly believed that since Babe Ruth didn't get in with 100% of the vote nobody ever should. It took all the way until Mariano Rivera for someone to be a unanimous first ballot Hall of Famer. The baseball players you mentioned got into the HOF on the first ballot, just not unanimously. Willie Mays (not Willy) was my childhood idol. |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 19, 2024 19:18:31 GMT -5
Oh, I absolutely believe they'd rob Jokic this year if they hadn't robbed him last year. They freaking robbed Michael Jordan in his prime because of their precious gatekeeping nonsense. Sportswriters are vindictive. These are the same types of clowns who refused to vote for guys like Willy Mays, Greg Maddux, Ted Williams, Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron, etc to get into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot because they stupidly believed that since Babe Ruth didn't get in with 100% of the vote nobody ever should. It took all the way until Mariano Rivera for someone to be a unanimous first ballot Hall of Famer. The baseball players you mentioned got into the HOF on the first ballot, just not unanimously. Yes, that's exactly what I said. That several people refused to vote for them on the first ballot to deny them unanimous status. |
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Post by GBG on Apr 19, 2024 19:24:20 GMT -5
The baseball players you mentioned got into the HOF on the first ballot, just not unanimously. Yes, that's exactly what I said. That several people refused to vote for them on the first ballot to deny them unanimous status. I misread your sentence. |
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Post by scooter on Apr 20, 2024 11:21:35 GMT -5
Oh, I absolutely believe they'd rob Jokic this year if they hadn't robbed him last year. They freaking robbed Michael Jordan in his prime because of their precious gatekeeping nonsense. Sportswriters are vindictive. These are the same types of clowns who refused to vote for guys like Willy Mays, Greg Maddux, Ted Williams, Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron, etc to get into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot because they stupidly believed that since Babe Ruth didn't get in with 100% of the vote nobody ever should. It took all the way until Mariano Rivera for someone to be a unanimous first ballot Hall of Famer. There is a difference now with huge contract clauses for the major awards. For example, max contract extensions get bumped up to the supermax 35% of cap contract if they got MVP in any of the 3 years preceding their new contract. People with a vote for the biggest awards, which carry big financial impact, have to be careful. If there is any evidence they snubbed a guy out of spite when it carries these financial implications, it is conceivable they could get sued (although I don’t claim to know all of the fine print in all of the many lengthy contracts/licenses the NBA currently uses). It ain’t the Ted Williams days. That’s why the media mostly relies on the widely publicized advanced metrics — WS, VORP, BPM etc. |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 20, 2024 12:18:27 GMT -5
Oh, I absolutely believe they'd rob Jokic this year if they hadn't robbed him last year. They freaking robbed Michael Jordan in his prime because of their precious gatekeeping nonsense. Sportswriters are vindictive. These are the same types of clowns who refused to vote for guys like Willy Mays, Greg Maddux, Ted Williams, Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron, etc to get into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot because they stupidly believed that since Babe Ruth didn't get in with 100% of the vote nobody ever should. It took all the way until Mariano Rivera for someone to be a unanimous first ballot Hall of Famer. There is a difference now with huge contract clauses for the major awards. For example, max contract extensions get bumped up to the supermax 35% of cap contract if they got MVP in any of the 3 years preceding their new contract. People with a vote for the biggest awards, which carry big financial impact, have to be careful. If there is any evidence they snubbed a guy out of spite when it carries these financial implications, it is conceivable they could get sued (although I don’t claim to know all of the fine print in all of the many lengthy contracts/licenses the NBA currently uses). It ain’t the Ted Williams days. That’s why the media mostly relies on the widely publicized advanced metrics — WS, VORP, BPM etc. If the media relied on those metrics then Embiid wouldn't have won last year. Jokic led the NBA in WS, WS/48, BPM, TS%, PER, and VORP last year while playing in more games, winning more games, and getting a higher seed plus the Sixers had a better record without Embiid than with him last year due to regular season Harden carrying them. There is no data-based argument in favor of Embiid winning last year. He won because people were gatekeeping about winning 3 in a row, because Kendrick Perkins made it about race, and because Embiid himself ran a 3 year media campaign for the award culminating in a cowardly smear on Jokic directly in an interview that released the same day Embiid pulled out of the Denver game at the last second. |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 22, 2024 1:08:05 GMT -5
Been a slow trickle of vote reveals for the awards. Wilbon had Jokic for MVP, which I found surprising considering he spent all year advocating for SGA and Ant.
MVP: Jokic leads with 22/27 known 1st place votes (SGA 4, Luka 1)
DPOY: Gobert leads with 13/18 known 1st place votes (Wemby 5)
MIP: Maxey leads with 6/14 known 1st place votes (White 4, Sengun 2, Williams 2; Williams is not a finalist as the NBA announced today)
ROY: Wemby leads with 15/15 known 1st place votes
6th man: Reid leads with 10/17 known 1st place votes (Monk 7)
Coach: Daigneault leads with 10/11 known 1st place votes (Mazzulla 1; however, he isn't a finalist)
Would love for some more MIP and 6th Man ballots to come out. Those are the only outcomes in doubt.
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Post by scooter on Apr 22, 2024 12:32:11 GMT -5
There is a difference now with huge contract clauses for the major awards. For example, max contract extensions get bumped up to the supermax 35% of cap contract if they got MVP in any of the 3 years preceding their new contract. People with a vote for the biggest awards, which carry big financial impact, have to be careful. If there is any evidence they snubbed a guy out of spite when it carries these financial implications, it is conceivable they could get sued (although I don’t claim to know all of the fine print in all of the many lengthy contracts/licenses the NBA currently uses). It ain’t the Ted Williams days. That’s why the media mostly relies on the widely publicized advanced metrics — WS, VORP, BPM etc. If the media relied on those metrics then Embiid wouldn't have won last year. Jokic led the NBA in WS, WS/48, BPM, TS%, PER, and VORP last year while playing in more games, winning more games, and getting a higher seed plus the Sixers had a better record without Embiid than with him last year due to regular season Harden carrying them. There is no data-based argument in favor of Embiid winning last year. He won because people were gatekeeping about winning 3 in a row, because Kendrick Perkins made it about race, and because Embiid himself ran a 3 year media campaign for the award culminating in a cowardly smear on Jokic directly in an interview that released the same day Embiid pulled out of the Denver game at the last second. Sure, but the financial incentive stuff was out the window in choosing between those two guys, because both were unquestionably in the 35% supermax club. And while Jokic led in the advanced metrics, Embiid was 2nd, 3rd or 4th in those categories while leading the league by a significant margin in PPG, which used to be the biggest measuring stick every year. It wasn’t a big stretch to pick Embiid, and it didn’t cost anyone any money. It’s fine for Embiid to once get the award he whined about so often. That’s Jokic’s attitude. |
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