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Post by famicommander on Oct 25, 2023 18:23:03 GMT -5
Celtics/Knicks on ESPN now. Doc already a big improvement from Mark Jackson.
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Post by GBG on Oct 25, 2023 19:24:07 GMT -5
Cowboy has hit 4 of 5 three’s as Indiana scored 73 points in first half against Wizards. Gallo has 10 points in 10 minutes for Wiz.
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Post by AbdulJabber on Oct 25, 2023 20:25:25 GMT -5
I thought the Suns and Warriors both looked like ass. I'm sure both teams are coasting a little with all the old/brittle guys they have on their teams, but it was some of the ugliest basketball I've seen in a long time. KD didn't look like KD and I just can't fathom what the thinking was for the Warriors to get CP3.
Both team have a lot of talent, but it just didn't look good.
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Post by duh88 on Oct 25, 2023 20:30:20 GMT -5
I thought the Suns and Warriors both looked like ass. I'm sure both teams are coasting a little with all the old/brittle guys they have on their teams, but it was some of the ugliest basketball I've seen in a long time. KD didn't look like KD and I just can't fathom what the thinking was for the Warriors to get CP3. Both team have a lot of talent, but it just didn't look good. 110% this. KD has had all summer to heal, and can barely muster 18 points, and one-made three-pointer. PHX is going to regret this experiment. Don't want to sound like a broken record - but only one team stands in the way of our repeat and that is: Minnesota TWolves |
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Post by duh88 on Oct 25, 2023 20:32:58 GMT -5
Cowboy is making his contract look like a bargain - lol. Hope he keeps this up.
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Post by famicommander on Oct 25, 2023 20:40:21 GMT -5
19 turnovers for the Suns last night. And that won't get better when Beal starts splitting the PG duties with Booker instead of Booker and Allen.
You need a point guard. Even the Nuggets, who essentially run their offense through the center position, need a point guard. People can talk about positionless basketball all they want but you need a damn point guard.
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Post by famicommander on Oct 25, 2023 21:09:08 GMT -5
8/6/3/1/0, 1 TO, 0 PF, +5 in 16 minutes for Thomas Bryant in a 1 point win for the Heat tonight.
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Post by Coach Sticky on Oct 26, 2023 2:44:50 GMT -5
19 turnovers for the Suns last night. And that won't get better when Beal starts splitting the PG duties with Booker instead of Booker and Allen. You need a point guard. Even the Nuggets, who essentially run their offense through the center position, need a point guard. People can talk about positionless basketball all they want but you need a damn point guard. No you don’t. If you have guys with a basketball IQ that just don’t turn the f***ing ball over by running into a trap, a crowded paint and can pass the basketball, you’ll be fine. I agree tho that THE SUNS need one. Because they lack everything I just mentioned 😁 |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 26, 2023 4:48:10 GMT -5
Bruce «Be careful what you wish for Indiana» Brown had a great debut
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Post by duh88 on Oct 26, 2023 5:16:11 GMT -5
So PHX doesn't have a PG???
Booker is the PG?
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Post by freakns on Oct 26, 2023 6:58:37 GMT -5
19 turnovers for the Suns last night. And that won't get better when Beal starts splitting the PG duties with Booker instead of Booker and Allen. You need a point guard. Even the Nuggets, who essentially run their offense through the center position, need a point guard. People can talk about positionless basketball all they want but you need a damn point guard. you need good ball handlers, not necessary point guard. Steph Curry is not point guard, even though he is listed as one, but he has insane handle. Draymond also has excellent handle, considering his positions. whole point of half court offense is attack defense so you will have advantage. and there are couple of ways you can do it. one is running traditional point guard like CP3. other is running sets like Warriors. third is hunting matchup advantages like Luka. Nuggets are running offense similar to Warriors. its not 2 man game between Jokic and Murray. Nuggets are running much more 3 man game, from which they transfer offense to 2 man game between Jokic and Murray... its more like, horns attack for example, where Gordon will handle the ball, then give it to Jokic simultaneously setting screen for Murray. from there, Murray will either have open shot, or he will have half step advantage, and then him and Jokic will go to 2 man game, with Murray's defender already at disadvantage... its constant motion which will create havoc on defense. same goes for Warriors, although their sets are different, cause they attack defense with people setting screens for Curry and him running around like crazy person. Phoenix will become better as year progress because Booker is good ball handler. Right now he is also asked to initiate offense, pretty much in a way Luka is doing for Dallas. Thats one of the reasons they got lots of turnovers. As year progress, Booker will be more comfortable in that position, and Suns will run some sets. Maybe they will just run pnr between Booker and Nurkic, with having KD and Beal as off the ball shooters, which is as dangerous as it can be. Whatever they decide to do, it will need time to gel. And when it does, its gonna be some pretty darn good offense, I can tell you that much |
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Post by Coach Sticky on Oct 26, 2023 8:09:05 GMT -5
Indoor Badminton guy is getting his ass kicked
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Post by famicommander on Oct 26, 2023 13:11:26 GMT -5
Just because someone isn't a traditional prototype at the point guard position doesn't mean they aren't a point guard. If you're the primary ball handler AND primary playmaker AND you cover the other team's point guard, you're the point guard. Curry is a point guard, Luka is a point guard.
Career assist to turnover ratio:
Curry: 6.5-3.1
Luka: 8.0-4.0
Booker: 4.8-3.1
Beal: 4.3-2.5
There's a huge, huge difference.
Booker does not have the vision or the passing to be a full time point guard and it's going to cost the Suns turnovers all year long. Their offense will never be anything more than Beal, Booker, and Durant taking turns running iso or PNR sets. Beal is a worse ball handler and a worse passer than Booker and their coach says the two will split the point guard duties.
I think the Suns are legitimately worse than they were last season.
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Post by famicommander on Oct 26, 2023 13:12:55 GMT -5
So PHX doesn't have a PG??? Booker is the PG? No, they don't have a point guard. They have Booker and Beal as their starting "PG" unit and they have Grayson Allen and Eric Gordon off the bench, but those two are just small shooting guards and not great passers or ball handlers. Eric Gordon has been in the league 400 years and he still can't dribble, pass, or even run left. He goes right with his right hand every damn time. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 26, 2023 13:38:21 GMT -5
And for the OTHER reason the Suns aren't going anywhere this year besides not having a point guard:
Booker (foot)
Beal (back)
OUT tonight
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Post by rock on Oct 26, 2023 13:55:50 GMT -5
Stopping all 3 of them on defense is going to be quite difficult. They will almost always have at least 2 of them on the court at all times
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Post by famicommander on Oct 26, 2023 14:02:35 GMT -5
Stopping all 3 of them on defense is going to be quite difficult. They will almost always have at least 2 of them on the court at all times You don't have to stop 3 of them at a time because there's only one ball and none of them are good passers. Like I said, they're just going to take turns going iso or pick and roll. That's literally all they can do. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 26, 2023 18:12:09 GMT -5
They do it very well tho. And having that firepower makes it more dificult for defenses to help
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Post by famicommander on Oct 26, 2023 18:16:10 GMT -5
They do it very well tho. And having that firepower makes it more dificult for defenses to help They will need playmaking to get where they want to go in the playoffs. They can out-talent teams to a certain point but to beat a team like Denver, Boston, Milwaukee, etc in a seven game series that isn't going to work. Beal and Booker can get you assists but not without an unacceptable number of turnovers coming along with them. They have even less playmaking than they had last season, and they have far less durability as well. Only the Suns could find a way to get rid of Chris Paul and somehow become even more fragile. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 26, 2023 21:28:53 GMT -5
Bucks scrape out a win over the Sixers. notables
Lillard: 39/8/4/0/0, 0 TO, 2 PF, 9/20 FG, 3/12 3PT, 17/17 FT, +12 in 37 minutes
Giannis: 23/13/3/2/2, 7 TO, 4 PF, 10/22 FG, 0/3 3PT, 3/9 FT, -13 in 35 minutes
Middleton: 6/3/4/2/0, 2 TO, 0 PF, 2/5 FG, 1/3 3PT, 1/2 FT, +13 in 16 minutes
Embiid: 24/7/6/0/1, 7 TO, 5 PF, 9/21 FG, 3/7 3PT, 3/8 FT, -1 in 36 minutes
Maxey: 31/4/8/2/0, 0 TO, 3 PF, 10/22 FG, 3/8 3 PT, 8/10 FT, 0 in 40 minutes
Harris: 20/7/2/0/0, 2 TO, 2 PF, 8/9 FG, 3/3 3PT, 1/2 FT, -14 in 37 minutes
Oubre: 27/4/0/1/0, 3 TO, 4 PF, 9/11 FG, 5/6 3PT, 4/4 FT, +14 in 27 minutes
Giannis and Embiid had a turnover contest but it ended in a stalemate.
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