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Post by famicommander on May 25, 2023 15:38:09 GMT -5
I think it's clear Gillespie and White will be back. If not on the main roster, then at minimum they'll hide them another year in the two-way spots. They could've easily cut either or both of them at any point this year to get some back court help, especially when we were banged up and Bones was going haywire. They didn't. That tells me they believe in these guys. We didn't hesitate to get rid of two-way guys midseason in the past like when we swapped Cornelie for Reed last year (and Cornelie was even drafted). I liked Cornelie's film and was not a fan of that move to see Reed on the bench. Perhaps bigs aren't afforded a long leash by Malone...a trend along with the rookie treatment. Hard to tell not being in practice, but big depth seems to be hard to develop in the modern game. Reed gave us good minutes last year. Not so much this year, but we got pretty good value out of him. 48 games is only 2 fewer than the maximum number he'd have been allowed to play and he didn't even start the season on the roster. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on May 25, 2023 15:57:09 GMT -5
Zeke would have been the perfect bench big if he had not made the conscious decision to wreck his 3PT shot. And honestly hes always (not literally) played pretty weak. Not sure how he would cope playing playoff basketball, probably okay but its risky |
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Post by nuggetshipster on May 25, 2023 16:03:26 GMT -5
Can we talk about how, somewhere in the multiverse, Jamal doesn't tear his knee up and "RingIn2021" was dead on? Gun to my head, without a Jamal injury, they probably stumble somewhere, but maybe not. I think Booth moves of this last offseason (or comparable ones) would have proven to be needed, and maybe Joker needed time without Jamal to reach this current level. Gordon, KCP and Brown been huge additions, as well as MPJ growth on defense. Murray also became better defensively, but defense is a team activity and those 3 additions probably have made it easier for Murray and MPJ to become more than adequate |
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Post by game on May 25, 2023 16:09:50 GMT -5
I didn't even mention MPJ. Good one to note. His improvement from 2021 to now has been significant from an approach to the game standpoint.
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Post by scooter on May 25, 2023 17:47:35 GMT -5
He’ll likely be back next season as he’s inexpensive, so we’ll get more opportunity to see if he’s a decent NBA player. I’ve always been a skeptic in part because it strikes me that he plays basketball only because he’s 6’11 and not really for any other reasons. I cannot know that Watson is going to be a good NBA player, but I already know that he enjoys it a lot more. He's not 6'11", he's only 6'9". Official combine measurement of 6’10.5” in shoes, which is how they are all listed. BTW, I’m not sure why everyone calls MPJ 6’10” when his official draft combine measurement was 6’10.75” and to me that’s 6’11”. |
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Post by famicommander on May 25, 2023 17:54:52 GMT -5
He's not 6'11", he's only 6'9". Official combine measurement of 6’10.5” in shoes, which is how they are all listed. BTW, I’m not sure why everyone calls MPJ 6’10” when his official draft combine measurement was 6’10.75” and to me that’s 6’11”. I just go by basketball reference: Jokic 6'11" Jordan 6'11" Porter 6'10" Bryant 6'10" Nnaji 6'9" Gordon 6'8" Cancar 6'8" Green 6'8" Watson 6'8" White 6'7" Braun 6'7" Caldwell-Pope 6'5" Brown 6'4" Murray 6'4" Gillespie 6'3" Jackson 6'2" Smith 6'0" |
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Post by freakns on May 26, 2023 10:57:24 GMT -5
6 more days... sigh... btw, did we finally banned Jimijam?
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Post by scooter on May 26, 2023 11:04:55 GMT -5
Official combine measurement of 6’10.5” in shoes, which is how they are all listed. BTW, I’m not sure why everyone calls MPJ 6’10” when his official draft combine measurement was 6’10.75” and to me that’s 6’11”. I just go by basketball reference: Jokic 6'11" Jordan 6'11" Porter 6'10" Bryant 6'10" Nnaji 6'9" Gordon 6'8" Cancar 6'8" Green 6'8" Watson 6'8" White 6'7" Braun 6'7" Caldwell-Pope 6'5" Brown 6'4" Murray 6'4" Gillespie 6'3" Jackson 6'2" Smith 6'0" A lot of “listed” measurements are just wrong. If guys showed up to the draft combine (that would be a no for Jokic, for example) and got measured, those should be accurate. Nnaji is 6’10.5” but he doesn’t have great basketball size because his standing reach is only 6’9.5”, three inches shorter than that of MPJ and 8 inches shorter than that of 6’11” DeAndre Jordan, whose standing reach was measured at 9’5.5”. Official draft measurements are found on pages like this: www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2008-09&dir=1&sort=WINGSPAN |
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Post by scooter on May 26, 2023 11:06:00 GMT -5
I just go by basketball reference: Jokic 6'11" Jordan 6'11" Porter 6'10" Bryant 6'10" Nnaji 6'9" Gordon 6'8" Cancar 6'8" Green 6'8" Watson 6'8" White 6'7" Braun 6'7" Caldwell-Pope 6'5" Brown 6'4" Murray 6'4" Gillespie 6'3" Jackson 6'2" Smith 6'0" Many “listed” measurements are incorrect. If guys showed up to the draft combine (that would be a no for Jokic, for example) and got measured, those should be accurate. Nnaji is 6’10.5” but he doesn’t have great basketball size because his standing reach is only 8’9.5”, three inches shorter than that of MPJ and 8 inches shorter than that of 6’11” DeAndre Jordan, whose standing reach was measured at 9’5.5”. Official draft measurements are found on pages like this: www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2008-09&dir=1&sort=WINGSPAN |
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Post by Coach Sticky on May 26, 2023 16:24:56 GMT -5
Just to make this very clear again:
Finals game threads:
ring until loss, sticky until loss (rest from now doesn’t matter we won’t lose more than 1) but then it’s jimjam then rock.
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Post by Coach Sticky on May 26, 2023 16:25:28 GMT -5
If that Mexican dude fucks it up again and we don’t win the championship I expect a lifetime ban
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Post by jimijam28 on May 26, 2023 17:55:19 GMT -5
6 more days... sigh... btw, did we finally banned Jimijam? please stop, tapir got gm 1 thread ready |
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Post by freakns on May 27, 2023 10:38:49 GMT -5
basketball talk only pls
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Post by scooter on May 27, 2023 13:47:26 GMT -5
Zeke would have been the perfect bench big if he had not made the conscious decision to wreck his 3PT shot. I think his three point proficiency was always a bit of a mirage. Based on a too-small sample size of 139 regular season attempts over two seasons, some of which were in garbage time, fans got carried away with the idea he’s a reliable 40% three point shooter. I think it is likely that coaches — who see him get hundreds of threes up every week — knew he was no better than “streaky” as a shooter and have not conveniently forgotten that he’s the same guy who couldn’t hit a shot to save his life in the 2021 summer league (playing mostly against newly drafted rookies and undrafted free agents) after he had a full year of NBA coaching and experience. |
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Post by famicommander on May 27, 2023 14:41:02 GMT -5
I'm not convinced Zeke can stay healthy enough to be a reliable part of the rotation long term.
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Post by GBG on May 27, 2023 15:56:05 GMT -5
Zeke would have been the perfect bench big if he had not made the conscious decision to wreck his 3PT shot. I think his three point proficiency was always a bit of a mirage. Based on a too-small sample size of 139 regular season attempts over two seasons, some of which were in garbage time, fans got carried away with the idea he’s a reliable 40% three point shooter. I think it is likely that coaches — who see him get hundreds of threes up every week — knew he was no better than “streaky” as a shooter and have not conveniently forgotten that he’s the same guy who couldn’t hit a shot to save his life in the 2021 summer league (playing mostly against newly drafted rookies and undrafted free agents) after he had a full year of NBA coaching and experience. Let’s see….Zeke in sporadic playing time has a .382 career 3PT percentage, 78 for 204 to be exact. Jokic, who no one would question as a shooter, has a career .348 3PT percentage, or 593 for 1,702. The point being that we don’t know what kind of shooter Zeke can be over a long period of time, but 204 is a statistically significant sample size, and it points to Zeke being a decent threat from distance. Judgmentalism on the basis of limited career stats seems a way to cast aside a guy who could be a good bench player if he could stay healthy. Zeke has quick feet, evidence of a solid if not great outside shot, and he finishes as well. Career .779 FG% from 0-3 feet from basket, compared to the great Jokic’s .717 career mark. Harsh evaluations of Zeke get tiresome. |
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Post by famicommander on May 27, 2023 16:00:17 GMT -5
Harsh evaluations?
The roster this season was set up for Zeke to take the bench big role and he fumbled it multiple times. Everyone in the organization was hoping he'd get Uncle Jeff and DeAndre Jordan's minutes all season long and he refused to take them. There was a brief period where Vlatko looked like he wanted Uncle Jeff's minutes but he fumbled the bag too. Zeke and Vlatko have nobody but themselves to blame for their lack of minutes. We wanted them to be in the rotation this year. We needed them to be in the rotation this year. And they're not.
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Post by nuggetshipster on May 27, 2023 16:09:04 GMT -5
Im more worried about Zeke playing like a b***h than his shooting or quickness
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Post by ChuckTaylor on May 27, 2023 16:15:16 GMT -5
Vlatko simply returned to mean. Zeke has all the size/talent/shooting needed to play significant NBA minutes, at this point he still lacks the grit. Which ironically, is the only thing Vlatko has more of.
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Post by GBG on May 27, 2023 18:14:52 GMT -5
Harsh evaluations? The roster this season was set up for Zeke to take the bench big role and he fumbled it multiple times. Everyone in the organization was hoping he'd get Uncle Jeff and DeAndre Jordan's minutes all season long and he refused to take them. There was a brief period where Vlatko looked like he wanted Uncle Jeff's minutes but he fumbled the bag too. Zeke and Vlatko have nobody but themselves to blame for their lack of minutes. We wanted them to be in the rotation this year. We needed them to be in the rotation this year. And they're not. Yeah, harsh seems like a pretty good word. Like saying “he refused to take them”. Nope, Zeke got hurt again. Was playing well before injury. But he was playing out of position. He’s a backup 4, not a 5. If you expected him to be a good backup center, then you haven’t done your research. Maybe he doesn’t fit on this team because he’s being used often in the wrong role. And we have other backup 4/5 options. Nevertheless, the kid has a career WS/48 of .112. That is hinting at his ability to be a good backup player. But some Nugget fans like to beat up on him. I’ve read he even lacks self-confidence and wouldn’t be an NBA basketball player if he wasn’t 6’11”. That’s what is absurd and tiresome, though I know you didn’t say that. Oh, one more thing. Zeke is 22. Hardly in his prime or a finished product. |
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