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Post by famicommander on May 25, 2023 13:25:49 GMT -5
Zeke shot the 3s even worse than Uncle Jeff this year. Green has hit the three well when wide open this year and still has explosive moments on offense. My criticism is the complete lack of defense if he does not get a block. Nnaji is good enough at the open three to not be a detriment was more of the point. I'm also open to other players eating Green's minutes, whether that be Watson for defense (a risk, but it worked with the Lue on Iverson type of matchup) or Bryant due to size (although not perfect and far from an elite defender, he did average 12 and 7 in LA). Bryant is the 15th man. Literally every other player on the roster is likelier than he is to get significant minutes. He was brought in to back up Jokic but he couldn't even displace Jordan as the emergency foul trouble/injury big. |
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Post by okie25 on May 25, 2023 13:44:56 GMT -5
Cherry-picking from that post, but go off. Main point: Jeff Green's defense is so atrocious that it brings the Nuggets down on his time on the floor. This needs to be fixed. I'm open to ideas on how...
He still got 12 and 7 in LA and the front office thought enough of him to send away multiple second rounders (which can clearly be valuable). Was that a Booth blunder or was Bryant slow to adjust to Denver?
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Post by rock on May 25, 2023 13:47:36 GMT -5
Zeke shot the 3s even worse than Uncle Jeff this year. Green has hit the three well when wide open this year and still has explosive moments on offense. My criticism is the complete lack of defense if he does not get a block. Nnaji is good enough at the open three to not be a detriment was more of the point. I'm also open to other players eating Green's minutes, whether that be Watson for defense (a risk, but it worked with the Lue on Iverson type of matchup) or Bryant due to size (although not perfect and far from an elite defender, he did average 12 and 7 in LA). Agreed. We need more bench help. This 7 man rotation isn’t going to work |
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Post by famicommander on May 25, 2023 13:48:55 GMT -5
Green has hit the three well when wide open this year and still has explosive moments on offense. My criticism is the complete lack of defense if he does not get a block. Nnaji is good enough at the open three to not be a detriment was more of the point. I'm also open to other players eating Green's minutes, whether that be Watson for defense (a risk, but it worked with the Lue on Iverson type of matchup) or Bryant due to size (although not perfect and far from an elite defender, he did average 12 and 7 in LA). Agreed. We need more bench help. This 7 man rotation isn’t going to work We'll need fewer bigs against Miami anyway. They're a small team with mostly wings and guards. It's gonna be the starters, Bruce, CB, and Green again. Just accept it now. |
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Post by JB on May 25, 2023 13:55:11 GMT -5
Zeke would have been the perfect bench big if he had not made the conscious decision to wreck his 3PT shot.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on May 25, 2023 14:00:02 GMT -5
He still got 12 and 7 in LA and the front office thought enough of him to send away multiple second rounders (which can clearly be valuable). Was that a Booth blunder or was Bryant slow to adjust to Denver? I suspect he's just slow to pick up the playbook and the team concepts. And we're not gonna play a guy who isn't ready to play low-mistake basketball in the NBA finals. Even though last round was a sweep, the final margins were basically 1 or 2 possessions every game, and a guy who hasn't learned to play with these teammates is going to be giving away a possession here and a possession there and all of a sudden we're in a 2-2 series instead of resting while we wait for the Miami/Boston series to finish up. I think if we somehow kept TB next year (which is unlikely for cap reasons) he'd be a perfectly adequate backup C. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on May 25, 2023 14:03:28 GMT -5
Murray names his top 5 players: thespun.com/nba/nuggets-star-jamal-murray-names-his-top-5-nba-players-everMJ/Curry/Kobe/Shaq/Bron Shaq is the biggest surprise here. I'm almost shocked he didn't mention Vince Carter considering Vinsanity single-handedly broke the hockey monopoly in Toronto and the greater Toronto area and turned them into bball fanatics, but Murray clearly respects winners over everything else. Kobe over Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Kareem, Wilt, Duncan, Bill, West, Dr J, Havlicek? I'll give Jamal a pass because he's like 12 years old, but damn. I was thinking same thing, but I also think those guys are great as well. |
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Post by famicommander on May 25, 2023 14:03:30 GMT -5
Their bigs are Adebayo, Love, and Zeller. That's all they have. They play 6'5" small forwards at the 4 all the time.
We won't need Jordan, Zeke, or Bryant in this series unless Jokic is straight up out of a game. Gordon and Green are more than adequate.
I'd rather see Watson and Vlatko than any of the others because they can cover wings.
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Post by scooter on May 25, 2023 14:14:53 GMT -5
Green has hit the three well when wide open this year and still has explosive moments on offense. My criticism is the complete lack of defense if he does not get a block. Nnaji is good enough at the open three to not be a detriment was more of the point. I'm also open to other players eating Green's minutes, whether that be Watson for defense (a risk, but it worked with the Lue on Iverson type of matchup) or Bryant due to size (although not perfect and far from an elite defender, he did average 12 and 7 in LA). Agreed. We need more bench help. This 7 man rotation isn’t going to work Why not? The Nuggets have 10 days off, then Game 1, then 2 days off, then Game 2, then 2 days off, then Game 3, then a day off before Game 4 and 2 days off between every game needed thereafter. They’ve never had this kind of schedule — ever. They don’t need to swap out excellent player minutes for lousy player minutes. |
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Post by game on May 25, 2023 14:19:19 GMT -5
Can we talk about how, somewhere in the multiverse, Jamal doesn't tear his knee up and "RingIn2021" was dead on?
Gun to my head, without a Jamal injury, they probably stumble somewhere, but maybe not. I think Booth moves of this last offseason (or comparable ones) would have proven to be needed, and maybe Joker needed time without Jamal to reach this current level.
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Post by scooter on May 25, 2023 14:19:37 GMT -5
Zeke would have been the perfect bench big if he had not made the conscious decision to wreck his 3PT shot. He’ll likely be back next season as he’s inexpensive, so we’ll get more opportunity to see if he’s a decent NBA player. I’ve always been a skeptic in part because it strikes me that he plays basketball only because he’s 6’11 and not really for any other reasons. I cannot know that Watson is going to be a good NBA player, but I already know that he enjoys it a lot more. |
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Post by famicommander on May 25, 2023 14:26:44 GMT -5
Zeke would have been the perfect bench big if he had not made the conscious decision to wreck his 3PT shot. He’ll likely be back next season as he’s inexpensive, so we’ll get more opportunity to see if he’s a decent NBA player. I’ve always been a skeptic in part because it strikes me that he plays basketball only because he’s 6’11 and not really for any other reasons. I cannot know that Watson is going to be a good NBA player, but I already know that he enjoys it a lot more. He's not 6'11", he's only 6'9". |
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Post by okie25 on May 25, 2023 14:38:03 GMT -5
Long arms. I could see Kamagate replacing Bryant next year, but I hope they have someone else in mind as well or focus on developing Nnaji (why not both?). And because Miami does go small at times, that's a perfect reason to play an athletic big and pound them down low. We don't have to match small-ball lineups.
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Post by famicommander on May 25, 2023 14:44:54 GMT -5
Long arms. I could see Kamagate replacing Bryant next year, but I hope they have someone else in mind as well or focus on developing Nnaji (why not both?). And because Miami does go small at times, that's a perfect reason to play an athletic big and pound them down low. We don't have to match small-ball lineups. They need to bring in another center regardless of Kamagate. They're likely losing Jordan, Bryant, Jackson, Smith, Green, and unfortunately Brown in free agency. If you replace three of them with young guys (Kamagate, Gillespie, White) that still leaves a need for a veteran guard, a veteran wing, and a veteran center. Murray/XXXX/Gillespie KCP/Braun/XXXX Porter/Watson Gordon/Zeke/Vlatko/White Jokic/XXXX/Kamagate Plus 3 two-way spots. |
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Post by okie25 on May 25, 2023 14:50:28 GMT -5
Definitely need another big and a ball-handler. With you there. I'm fine with Gillespie and White being replaced by other projects, as well. Hopefully the 40 pick will yield a developmental pg or foreign lottery ticket. Hopefully the championship season will improve who is willing to come for the money.
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Post by famicommander on May 25, 2023 15:00:14 GMT -5
I think it's clear Gillespie and White will be back. If not on the main roster, then at minimum they'll hide them another year in the two-way spots. They could've easily cut either or both of them at any point this year to get some back court help, especially when we were banged up and Bones was going haywire. They didn't. That tells me they believe in these guys. We didn't hesitate to get rid of two-way guys midseason in the past like when we swapped Cornelie for Reed last year (and Cornelie was even drafted).
Malone even went as far as to say that Gillespie would've played some real minutes this year if he hadn't broken his leg. That's high praise for an undrafted rook considering how Malone usually feels about young guys.
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Post by Ring on May 25, 2023 15:10:40 GMT -5
Can we talk about how, somewhere in the multiverse, Jamal doesn't tear his knee up and "RingIn2021" was dead on? Gun to my head, without a Jamal injury, they probably stumble somewhere, but maybe not. I think Booth moves of this last offseason (or comparable ones) would have proven to be needed, and maybe Joker needed time without Jamal to reach this current level. There's no doubt in my mind that would have happened. Murray has proven with this run he's just an All Time playoff player and riser. Jokic is Jokic. The West that year was super weak too. Suns wouldn't have beaten us, nor would the Clippers without Kawhi obviously. Not sure if we beat Milwaukee but the Nuggets have always matched up well with them. RingIn2023 will be more special though tbh  |
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Post by JB on May 25, 2023 15:19:53 GMT -5
feel like AG with Uncle Paul off the bench in his last productive season would have slowed Giannis enough to eek out a title.
I said this earlier in the thread, but that Murray/Barton/AG/MPJ/Joker starting 5 was special.
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Post by famicommander on May 25, 2023 15:21:51 GMT -5
No point looking back. It's all in front of us now and we'll have our starting 5 for at least another season, our top 4 for more than that.
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Post by okie25 on May 25, 2023 15:31:48 GMT -5
I think it's clear Gillespie and White will be back. If not on the main roster, then at minimum they'll hide them another year in the two-way spots. They could've easily cut either or both of them at any point this year to get some back court help, especially when we were banged up and Bones was going haywire. They didn't. That tells me they believe in these guys. We didn't hesitate to get rid of two-way guys midseason in the past like when we swapped Cornelie for Reed last year (and Cornelie was even drafted). I liked Cornelie's film and was not a fan of that move to see Reed on the bench. Perhaps bigs aren't afforded a long leash by Malone...a trend along with the rookie treatment. Hard to tell not being in practice, but big depth seems to be hard to develop in the modern game. |
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