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Post by rock on May 21, 2023 23:09:37 GMT -5
The Heat are way too small. Especially if Love misses real time. Bam - 6'9" / Zeller 6'11" Love - 6'8" / Robinson - 6'7" Butler - 6'7" / Martin - 6'5" Struss - 6'5" Vincent - 6'2" / Lowry - 6'0" We will bully them even more than we bullied the Lakers. All I see is a barrage of 3s. And butler. He’s going to kill us
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Post by famicommander on May 21, 2023 23:16:37 GMT -5
The Heat are way too small. Especially if Love misses real time. Bam - 6'9" / Zeller 6'11" Love - 6'8" / Robinson - 6'7" Butler - 6'7" / Martin - 6'5" Struss - 6'5" Vincent - 6'2" / Lowry - 6'0" We will bully them even more than we bullied the Lakers. All I see is a barrage of 3s. And butler. He’s going to kill us Playoff scoring: Kawhi Leonard - 34.5 Devin Booker - 33.7 Anthony Edwards - 31.6 Nikola Jokic - 29.9 Jimmy Butler - 29.9 Trae Young - 29.2 Kevin Durant - 29.0 Jamal Murray - 27.9 Jayson Taytum - 27.8 We already beat down Booker, Ant, and KD. Two of the other dudes on this list are our dudes. And perimeter defense is literally the area we improved the most this offseason. We swapped out Campazzo, Barton, Morris, Forbes, and Bones for KCP, Brown, Braun, Murray, and MPJ. We're built to beat this team. They are a much smaller team that loves to double on the ball.
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Post by inyourmind on May 21, 2023 23:18:26 GMT -5
Dream's Rockets won a title as the 6th seed so there's precedence. And without a legitimate 2nd star. Drexler didn't show up until the 2nd ring. Butler winning a ring this year would be in that realm .. and he's a beast but is on Hakeem's level? Your talking about a guy you can argue to be a top 10 player of All-Time. Even than look how far were going back. I kinda forgot the Mavs with Dirk but similar to the other exceptions it took something crazy happening like a massive LeBron choke. Which I guess is my point. If the Heat win the finals this year it's going to be a massive exception. Your talking a handful of teams in the history of the NBA .. and most of those teams needed something out of the ordinary to happen. You also need Butler to cement his legacy over Jokic. This is the NBA finals. It's where greats cement there names. If Miami wins it's going to skyrocket Butler and be a huge stain on Jokic depending on how it goes down but I'd argue for Miami to win you'll need a legendary performance by Butler and a very underwhelming one by Jokic most likely.
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Post by famicommander on May 21, 2023 23:26:15 GMT -5
Dream's Rockets won a title as the 6th seed so there's precedence. And without a legitimate 2nd star. Drexler didn't show up until the 2nd ring. Butler winning a ring this year would be in that realm .. and he's a beast but is on Hakeem's level? Your talking about a guy you can argue to be a top 10 player of All-Time. Even than look how far were going back. I kinda forgot the Mavs with Dirk but similar to the other exceptions it took something crazy happening like a massive LeBron choke. Which I guess is my point. If the Heat win the finals this year it's going to be a massive exception. Your talking a handful of teams in the history of the NBA .. and most of those teams needed something out of the ordinary to happen. You also need Butler to cement his legacy over Jokic. This is the NBA finals. It's where greats cement there names. If Miami wins it's going to skyrocket Butler and be a huge stain on Jokic depending on how it goes down but I'd argue for Miami to win you'll need a legendary performance by Butler and a very underwhelming one by Jokic most likely. The Rockets were a 2 seed the first year they won it. They were the 6 seed when they got Drexler late in the season.
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Post by inyourmind on May 21, 2023 23:27:40 GMT -5
This isn't all to say I have zero concerns about the Heat. I obviously do. It's a dream matchup tho if that's how things shake out and we finish off L.A/Miami finishes off Boston. Like every single series so far the Nuggets don't need to hope for anything out of the ordinary. We don't need anyone to choke/fall apart. We don't need anybody to get hurt. Butler can be the beast he is. Nuggets just need to show up and play there game. If we get 5 more games of the Nuggets top 6 playing to 90% of there level than they'll be champions.
Denver's currently the definition of don't worry about anybody but yourself right now IMO. Only team that's going to beat the Nuggets .. is the Nuggets. Murray's falling victim to inconsistency. Jokic not playing at his usual level. MPJ disappearing. KCP/Brown/Gordon falling apart. Miami/L.A/Boston don't have an answer for a Nuggets squad that's at there best.
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Post by inyourmind on May 21, 2023 23:37:27 GMT -5
And without a legitimate 2nd star. Drexler didn't show up until the 2nd ring. Butler winning a ring this year would be in that realm .. and he's a beast but is on Hakeem's level? Your talking about a guy you can argue to be a top 10 player of All-Time. Even than look how far were going back. I kinda forgot the Mavs with Dirk but similar to the other exceptions it took something crazy happening like a massive LeBron choke. Which I guess is my point. If the Heat win the finals this year it's going to be a massive exception. Your talking a handful of teams in the history of the NBA .. and most of those teams needed something out of the ordinary to happen. You also need Butler to cement his legacy over Jokic. This is the NBA finals. It's where greats cement there names. If Miami wins it's going to skyrocket Butler and be a huge stain on Jokic depending on how it goes down but I'd argue for Miami to win you'll need a legendary performance by Butler and a very underwhelming one by Jokic most likely. The Rockets were a 2 seed the first year they won it. They were the 6 seed when they got Drexler late in the season. Yeah I mixed that up because the 1st ring is obviously the comparable ring to the current Heat team. Hakeem didn't have a legitimate 2nd star. 2nd ring he had Drexler and yeah he was older and wasn't putting up the same numbers but I don't think you can compare that ring to what Butler's doing right now. Butler winning a ring without a legitimate established 2nd star(Herro for sure doesn't count coming back from a broken hand) is something that's only happened a handful of times. When it has there's always more to it. Kobe/Shaq fighting when the Pistons won. Dirk with LeBron choking. Leonard needing GS to get destroyed by injuries. Spurs at certain point. Before Manu/Parker popped off Duncan carried. The last one Leonard was still really young but you had so much championship experience I don't know if you can count that. Butler winning a ring this year would be on the same level as Duncan/Hakeem .. or it would require a Denver choke job/injuries .. just going by history.
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Post by GBG on May 22, 2023 1:04:46 GMT -5
Someone wondered about low seeds winning.
I recall the 1975-76 Phoenix Suns who were 42-40, led by Paul Westphal and Alvin Adams. They reached the NBA Finals, and lost. There were only three rounds back then.
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Post by nuggetshipster on May 22, 2023 2:06:09 GMT -5
All I see is a barrage of 3s. And butler. He’s going to kill us Playoff scoring: Kawhi Leonard - 34.5 Devin Booker - 33.7 Anthony Edwards - 31.6 Nikola Jokic - 29.9 Jimmy Butler - 29.9 Trae Young - 29.2 Kevin Durant - 29.0 Jamal Murray - 27.9 Jayson Taytum - 27.8 We already beat down Booker, Ant, and KD. Two of the other dudes on this list are our dudes. And perimeter defense is literally the area we improved the most this offseason. We swapped out Campazzo, Barton, Morris, Forbes, and Bones for KCP, Brown, Braun, Murray, and MPJ. We're built to beat this team. They are a much smaller team that loves to double on the ball. There is a reason Heat is making the finals and is sweeping a very good Boston team. They are a really good team
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Post by famicommander on May 22, 2023 2:17:01 GMT -5
Playoff scoring: Kawhi Leonard - 34.5 Devin Booker - 33.7 Anthony Edwards - 31.6 Nikola Jokic - 29.9 Jimmy Butler - 29.9 Trae Young - 29.2 Kevin Durant - 29.0 Jamal Murray - 27.9 Jayson Taytum - 27.8 We already beat down Booker, Ant, and KD. Two of the other dudes on this list are our dudes. And perimeter defense is literally the area we improved the most this offseason. We swapped out Campazzo, Barton, Morris, Forbes, and Bones for KCP, Brown, Braun, Murray, and MPJ. We're built to beat this team. They are a much smaller team that loves to double on the ball. There is a reason Heat is making the finals and is sweeping a very good Boston team. They are a really good team Nobody said they weren't a really good team. But they don't match up well with us at all. They're smaller at every position, they don't have a secondary scorer that compares to Murray, and they love to double the ball handler on defense (especially in the pick and roll). We are going to dominate the boards and slice them up with our passing. And we have the home court advantage. We have proven to be able to absorb huge performances from Edwards, Booker, and Durant. Jimmy Butler can go off and still lose because Jokic is averaging a 30 point triple double and Jamal is averaging 28/6/6/2
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 5:01:53 GMT -5
I feel a little more respect should be afforded to the team that just wasted two of the Eastern elite. Miami is like fighting a honey badger, yeah we *should* win, but it's going to take everything we have to defeat them. Spoelstra is a great coach but none of the Eastern elite had homecourt advantage like we do in terms of altitude. With all due respect to Giannis, but Jokic has a much higher BBIQ I will post my prediction of the Heat-Nuggets NBA Finals after we beat the Lakers in 4 games tonight
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 5:02:57 GMT -5
We also have the defensive players to guard Jimmy Butler ...both teams will have like 1 week off before game 1 of the NBA finals
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 5:06:42 GMT -5
As a frequent visitor to Miami / South Florida since 2014, they have some of the most passive sports fan in North America lol ...comparatively Ball Arena is going to be LOUD, rocking as this is our 1st NBA finals AND we have homecourt
We clearly have the edge in terms of fan support at the games
Lots of things in our favor
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Post by AbdulJabber on May 22, 2023 5:30:12 GMT -5
Just gotta be ready for a few cheap shots. Be ready to keep our cool and not react. I'd be surprised if Riley, Alonzo and Haslim aren't already talking to Zeller about given Jokic a little extra just to see if they can get a retaliation out of him.
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Post by BBBbbb on May 22, 2023 5:41:29 GMT -5
Just gotta be ready for a few cheap shots. Be ready to keep our cool and not react. I'd be surprised if Riley, Alonzo and Haslim aren't already talking to Zeller about given Jokic a little extra just to see if they can get a retaliation out of him. It seems that Jokic has a better control now in the playoffs. It does help that Miami doesn't have players that can bother Jokic with size and strength. To that point neither do these Lakers.
I hate the narrative coming into LAL series that AD defended Jokic in the bubble series great. He did not, it was the dirt work of Dwight and McGee that god Jokic out of his rhythm and into foul troubles throughout that series. Jokic was able to back down AD then and even more now.
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Post by Coach Sticky on May 22, 2023 6:04:46 GMT -5
I am sorry but Miami doesn’t scare me one bit. We beat Phoenix, Adam silver and LeBron.
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Post by nuggetshipster on May 22, 2023 8:13:59 GMT -5
Heat > Lakers
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Post by JB on May 22, 2023 8:16:36 GMT -5
LeBron is 40
PHoenix is a 2 man team.
Miami will without a doubt be the hardest team we face. unlike the Nuggets who are burdened by MVP expectations and 45 years of futility, the Heat are playing with house money right now. they know who they are, their role players are hitting shots with supreme confidence. Jimmy Buckets didn't get the memo that Jokic is the best player in the world. they're dangerous and you're setting yourself up for a rock-like existence if you think they're going to hand us the chip.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 8:30:35 GMT -5
Beside Jimmy Buckets and Spo, they have veteran leaders (with rings) in Kevin Love and Kyle Lowry. If Herro comes back, I think that will mess up their chemistry a bit
Most importantly, they have won game 1 against Milwaukee, NY Knicks and Celtics ...winning game 1 is crucial
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Post by JB on May 22, 2023 8:32:10 GMT -5
if Herro doesn't gel with the rotation, Spo won't f**k up his championship chances by playing him. he has tenure, he's not worried about his job.
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Post by JB on May 22, 2023 8:36:17 GMT -5
I'll say this though, the league probably doesn't give a f**k who wins so we'll get an evenly called series.
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