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Post by GBG on May 14, 2023 23:44:03 GMT -5
I see folks take lots of glee in Embiid “choking” and looking like a faux MVP. Will be a bit contrarian and say this isn’t a good look for Nuggets fans to be displaying.
Embiid was probably passive and ineffective today because he was playing on a knee with a grade 2 sprain. Only he knows how much pain he was in while making a go of it since this injury. When we saw him passing up shots to defer to others and not make his usual aggressive moves, it’s likely due to his inability to make quick moves and cuts on that knee, which also affected his shooting. Also, Boston is damn good on its home floor in a must-win.
Nuggets fans shouldn’t attack Embiid so much. Yes, he was wrong to say what he said in campaigning for MVP, and trashing his teammates today. I peronsally don’t care for his game and think it’s clear to all who watch NBA games objectively that Jokic is far more dynamic and has a much bigger effect in his team winning. Jokic is the best player in the world.
No need for us to wish ill on Embiid or tear him down. He did a good enough job showing he can’t carry his team on a bum wheel. In short, stay classy, guys. I know Jokic would.
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Post by famicommander on May 15, 2023 0:07:11 GMT -5
1. He's always hurt 2. He buries his teammates in the post game presser every year 3. He plays worse in the playoffs than the regular season every year
He's the MVP. He didn't earn it, but they gave it to him, and with that comes the responsibility for his team's performance. Nobody cares that he's hurt. He stepped onto the court. When you do that you leave your excuses on the outside and live with the results forever. Julius Randle played hurt and he's still rightfully getting roasted for his performance. Jimmy Butler is playing hurt and he's playing great anyway. LeBron is playing hurt. Wiggins played that last game hurt. Jokic clearly had a wrist problem going into the playoffs.
You can blame the injury if you want but this playoff performance was par for the course for his career. Everybody makes every excuse in the book for him losing with Harden/Maxey/Harris while roasting Jokic for not being able to carry a G-League squad against the champs last year. Boo hoo.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on May 15, 2023 0:10:18 GMT -5
Will be a bit contrarian and say this isn’t a good look for Nuggets fans to be displaying Sixers fans are dragging Embiid harder than any of us. The main thing I'm saying about all of this: people who spent the last 2 years complaining about MVP Jokic because of his "lack of playoff success" and then argued in favor of Embiid look really f***ing stupid right now. Like, yes, there are reasons for this loss for Embiid just like there are reasons for Jokic's playoff losses the last 2 seasons. But the people who didn't want to have that conversation then and suddenly want to have it now, it just looks transparently biased. Like they never meant it, it was just an excuse. (And it's not even unfair to note that Embiid tryharding over the MVP might have contributed to his not being rested and then becoming injured in the playoffs.) So imma be merciless to the people who made that argument over and over again.
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Post by duh88 on May 15, 2023 0:40:08 GMT -5
f**k EMBIID.
He and his goons literally resorted to accusations of racism, in order to give themselves a leg up in the MVP race. Had nothing to do with Jokic deciding not to vie for MVP anymore - Embiid and his goons set rules dictating that: if you vote Jokic, you're supporting racism against black people.
I'm a brown man. They used race for personal gain. It's f***ing vile.
I don't wish Embiid poorly - wish him well - but if there's a cascade of criticism towards him, I aint stopping it (I'm popping popcorn and handing it out to the truthers, on this one).
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Post by famicommander on May 15, 2023 2:15:36 GMT -5
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Post by GBG on May 15, 2023 6:51:50 GMT -5
You guys aren’t getting my point. Everything you said about the situation of Embiid vs. Jokic and the ugly MVP voting saga is true, but it’s a dead horse you’re beating. The point here has been made over and over and over again, here. It’s almost like an obsession. Who cares anymore. Certainly not Jokic. I’d bet he even texted Embiid after the game to lend his condolences for his team’s elimination and asking about his health. Jokic has class, is the role model of role models. He wouldn’t take joy in Embiid making a fool of himself and embarrassing himself with horrible play in the most important game of his life. He wouldn’t like what Embiid said afterwords either, but he’s too classy to hold that on him.
Why should Nuggets fans obsess over this one guy who’s not on our team? Because he stepped all over our favorite player to get an award that our favorite player didn’t even want? So what? There are a dozen or two dozen pricks in the NBA to criticize and go after any time. I’m tired of reading about Embiid from…Nuggets fans!
I also believe a bit in karma. Worried that Embiid hate here and elsewhere from Nuggets and Jokic fans will come back to bite us down the road. Silence wrt Embiid could be golden.
If you wanna continue attacking Embiid, to the exclusion of all other a-holes in the NBA, have at it. I’m just telling ya, it might be time to get over it. You’re mad at the voters for not selecting Jokic for his third MVP. I get it. So am I. But it’s old news, let’s move on.
As I said, I’m a bit contrarian on all this.
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Post by GBG on May 15, 2023 7:02:25 GMT -5
Will be a bit contrarian and say this isn’t a good look for Nuggets fans to be displaying Sixers fans are dragging Embiid harder than any of us. Sure. As they should. Their team was eliminated in embarrassing fashion yesterday and they had hope of the NBA Finals and possible chip. They also believed the hype about Embiid being so valuable, so they’re hurting right now. I’d expect Sixers fans and eastern conference NBA fans in general to be having a field day lambasting Embiid. But Nuggets fans? Time to move on to the WCF talk. At this point, more Embiid hate from Nuggets Nation is just….hate.
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Post by Ring on May 15, 2023 8:24:54 GMT -5
Sixers fans are dragging Embiid harder than any of us. Sure. As they should. Their team was eliminated in embarrassing fashion yesterday and they had hope of the NBA Finals and possible chip. They also believed the hype about Embiid being so valuable, so they’re hurting right now. I’d expect Sixers fans and eastern conference NBA fans in general to be having a field day lambasting Embiid. But Nuggets fans? Time to move on to the WCF talk. At this point, more Embiid hate from Nuggets Nation is just….hate. I think it's fair for Nuggets fans to hate on Embiid a little because of how he handled himself. Releasing an article basically calling out Jokic but not willing to name him the same day that he skipped the Game in Denver. His POS trainer constantly talking s**t on Twitter. But with that being said, the hate should be pointed at the media over the disgusting display they turned the MVP race into. It was gross. Sickening. But now it's time to focus on the Lakers. Lets beat their f***ing ass and let Jokics ring do the talking. It's time. ITS OUR TIME
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Post by JB on May 15, 2023 8:36:55 GMT -5
to me, the only time I was legit pissed at Embiid's camp was when his team was circulating Jokic defensive lowlights on social media during the end of the regular season. I feel that crossed the line but other than that, I truly sincerely genuinely do not give a single solitary f**k about the MVP award, in fact, it's becoming so toxic that the NBA should abolish it all together.
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Post by Ring on May 15, 2023 9:04:26 GMT -5
to me, the only time I was legit pissed at Embiid's camp was when his team was circulating Jokic defensive lowlights on social media during the end of the regular season. I feel that crossed the line but other than that, I truly sincerely genuinely do not give a single solitary f**k about the MVP award, in fact, it's becoming so toxic that the NBA should abolish it all together. But it's only toxic because of Embiid. You think the media would have pulled any of that s**t if it was Giannis and Jokic in the conversation? Of course not.
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Post by GBG on May 15, 2023 9:18:48 GMT -5
Sure. As they should. Their team was eliminated in embarrassing fashion yesterday and they had hope of the NBA Finals and possible chip. They also believed the hype about Embiid being so valuable, so they’re hurting right now. I’d expect Sixers fans and eastern conference NBA fans in general to be having a field day lambasting Embiid. But Nuggets fans? Time to move on to the WCF talk. At this point, more Embiid hate from Nuggets Nation is just….hate. I think it's fair for Nuggets fans to hate on Embiid a little because of how he handled himself. Releasing an article basically calling out Jokic but not willing to name him the same day that he skipped the Game in Denver. His POS trainer constantly talking s**t on Twitter. But with that being said, the hate should be pointed at the media over the disgusting display they turned the MVP race into. It was gross. Sickening. But now it's time to focus on the Lakers. Lets beat their f***ing ass and let Jokics ring do the talking. It's time. ITS OUR TIME The last sentence says it all. Time to focus. All the prior sentences in your comment have been hashed over, ad-nauseum. No need to continue repeating what has been obvious for weeks and months. It WCF time.
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Post by BBBbbb on May 15, 2023 9:21:09 GMT -5
to me, the only time I was legit pissed at Embiid's camp was when his team was circulating Jokic defensive lowlights on social media during the end of the regular season. I feel that crossed the line but other than that, I truly sincerely genuinely do not give a single solitary f**k about the MVP award, in fact, it's becoming so toxic that the NBA should abolish it all together. But it's only toxic because of Embiid. You think the media would have pulled any of that s**t if it was Giannis and Jokic in the conversation? Of course not. Do not underestimate Philly's and even more Morey's amplification effect. Morey always went the extra mile when campaigning for his guy
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Post by TNF on May 15, 2023 9:29:23 GMT -5
I agree with GBG. Let it be, and let's go get that victory over the Lakers first and foremost, and then the next step.
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Post by passtheballquick on May 15, 2023 10:05:32 GMT -5
I don't see any hate on Embiid here from anybody. I wish him all the best, especially being healthy but what we're posting here is just the facts being classy or not. He's a coward and a lier you like it or not. A coward because he ducked out Jokic in a very important game for the mvp title saying that he cares more about his team winning than about mvp title A lier, because he played every other game except vs Denver to win that award so he didn't get enough rest for the PO's where he let down his team and his teammates A coward for blaming everybody else for his failure but himself. Especially in a game where Maxey and Harris clearly outplayed him and Harden
Not to mention stuff about Jokic and pulling racism into mvp votes
Just gross and disgusting stuff from him. This has nothing to do with hate though.
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Post by scooter on May 15, 2023 10:14:11 GMT -5
Sixers fans are dragging Embiid harder than any of us. Sure. As they should. Their team was eliminated in embarrassing fashion yesterday and they had hope of the NBA Finals and possible chip. They also believed the hype about Embiid being so valuable, so they’re hurting right now. I’d expect Sixers fans and eastern conference NBA fans in general to be having a field day lambasting Embiid. But Nuggets fans? Time to move on to the WCF talk. At this point, more Embiid hate from Nuggets Nation is just….hate. I know that despite being a very analytical guy, GBG is also a bit into basketball karma, or what some call the basketball gods, as well as the emotional hedge game. Nothing wrong with that. To each his own. But we’re in our clubhouse here and my view is that people should enjoy it however they want. If they want to gloat, and tell “I told you so” to the majority of the NBA media universe that so obviously roots against the Nuggets — f**k you, former brief Denverite Marc Spears — they have every reason to and every right to.
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Post by JB on May 15, 2023 10:23:18 GMT -5
to me, the only time I was legit pissed at Embiid's camp was when his team was circulating Jokic defensive lowlights on social media during the end of the regular season. I feel that crossed the line but other than that, I truly sincerely genuinely do not give a single solitary f**k about the MVP award, in fact, it's becoming so toxic that the NBA should abolish it all together. But it's only toxic because of Embiid. You think the media would have pulled any of that s**t if it was Giannis and Jokic in the conversation? Of course not. there is definitely toxicity surrounding the MVP debate that exists independently of Joel Embiid. if Giannis had won the MVP this season, he would have been trashed worse than Embiid which is ridiculous considering 1. it's a regular season award and 2. injuries/bad matchups etc happen. I'll say this about Booth's predecessor, Tim actually saved Jokic by surrounding him with so many non and fringe NBA players that even his haters had a hard time making a coherent argument against him. but if Jokic had Bruce/Kentavious/Christian etc. level role players the seasons he won MVP, he would've got far more hate for not winning a ring. which again, is ridiculous.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on May 15, 2023 11:56:31 GMT -5
I'm not big on basketball karma. If it was real, the city of LA would have zero championships and a bunch of small markets like Denver, Memphis, Utah, and Seattle would have them.
I also think the discussion of MVPiid is waaaaaay more interesting and basketball-relevant than arguments about who needs to start the next game thread.
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Post by famicommander on May 15, 2023 12:53:54 GMT -5
There is no such thing as karma. If there were we wouldn't have warmongering politicians living 100 years while innocent children die of cancer on a daily basis. Dunking on Embiid doesn't affect anything with respect to the future of the Nuggets. It's just fun, and therefore I'll continue doing it.
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Post by famicommander on May 15, 2023 13:12:26 GMT -5
The most satisfying thing was Embiid being hunted on defense.
I've been saying for years that the gap between the two on defense was vastly exaggerated and yesterday was a demonstration of why. Embiid is a better shot blocker but he's arguably worse at every other aspect of defense than Jokic. Certainly, the gap between the two on offense is immensely larger.
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Post by GBG on May 15, 2023 13:17:16 GMT -5
I also think the discussion of MVPiid is waaaaaay more interesting and basketball-relevant than arguments about who needs to start the next game thread. Both can become boring if repeated x-million times. The point being that new ground isn’t exactly being broken here.
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