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Post by JB on Apr 15, 2023 22:29:23 GMT -5
Cowbells
light the beam
Kings have the funnest gimmicks. Nuggets have walmart entertainment.
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Post by jimijam28 on Apr 15, 2023 23:09:46 GMT -5
Cowbells light the beam Kings have the funnest gimmicks. Nuggets have walmart entertainment. walmart marketing dept. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Apr 16, 2023 4:06:34 GMT -5
Watched the Kings game. Omg Fox, but damn Trey Lyles looks good.
Very happy for him
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Post by Ring on Apr 16, 2023 7:26:56 GMT -5
Just finished watching the Kings game as well and holy s**t that was an incredible game. One of the best Game 1s I can ever remember. The shot making mid-way through the 4th was absolutely nuts.
That was the only game yesterday where I felt like both teams were locked in. Really hoping to see that type of energy and effort from the Nuggets. What a f***ing game.
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Post by Ring on Apr 16, 2023 7:29:29 GMT -5
Yeah the Kerr/Jackson one stands out the most to me because Kerr came in and completely changed the offensive system the Warriors played and really focused on off-ball movement. The rest is history. Like there's no doubt in my mind a different coach could get much more out of MPJ on the offensive end. I don't know what exactly Malone does well in terms of on-court stuff. The ATOs are never creative, he struggles with rotations/adjustments, etc lmao Steph Curry has been lighting it up off the ball since Davidson. Same with Klay. If you think Steve Kerr is responsible for taking advantage of the two of the greatest off the ball scorers in the history of the NBA(and two guys who absolutely dominated at it during college as well ftr) than your insane. You know what the biggest differences were? Curry/Klay/Green were all a year older and got better and they swapped out David Lee for Andrew Bogut. Klay was like 23 years old in Jackson's last year. Curry still 25. It's rare to win rings that early. They literally lost in the finals next season and needed to add Durant to win more .. but yeah that Steve Kerr addition was the big move lmao Do me a favor. Go ask any Warriors beat writer, or fan how big of a difference Steve Kerr made when it came to the offensive system the Warriors were running. Let me know what they tell you. Thanks. Your whole idea that coaching doesn't really matter in the NBA is nuts. Of course it matters. It matters a lot. Does it matter more than top end talent? Of course not. Can it swing a game in a playoff series? Absolutely. Playoff series are all about adjustments. You know who makes adjustments? Coaches. |
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Post by Ring on Apr 16, 2023 7:37:10 GMT -5
bleacherreport.com/articles/2271582-how-the-golden-state-warriors-offense-has-evolved-under-steve-kerrArticles were literally written the first year that Kerr came in about how he changed the offense. Above is one of them. Also details in there about how Steph wasn't used a ton off the ball in college, especially in terms of pindowns to create space. You can pretend it was just because they swapped a big that could pass better (Lee wasn't a bad passer), but in reality it's because Kerr completely changed the way the team played offense. The guy is arguably the best coach in all of basketball.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Apr 16, 2023 7:42:11 GMT -5
I think the NBA is becoming increasingly free flowing. Many coaches probably have trust in the players decision making. For good reason as players are becoming smarter and smarter. And the NBA is more player focused, a lot very talented players come with a lot of ego. Many organizations probably dont think its worth risking the relationship by having a strict offense/policy.
But playcalling and adjustments obviously helps any team. Its not that long since Spurs won a ring.
Tho every poster here could have coached rings out of prime Curry, Dray and Klay
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Post by Coach Sticky on Apr 16, 2023 7:43:26 GMT -5
Finished watching all the highlights from last night. NBA is just isolation and some pick and rolls, it’s disgusting. Join me for euroleague
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Post by nuggetshipster on Apr 16, 2023 7:45:30 GMT -5
bleacherreport.com/articles/2271582-how-the-golden-state-warriors-offense-has-evolved-under-steve-kerrArticles were literally written the first year that Kerr came in about how he changed the offense. Above is one of them. Also details in there about how Steph wasn't used a ton off the ball in college, especially in terms of pindowns to create space. You can pretend it was just because they swapped a big that could pass better (Lee wasn't a bad passer), but in reality it's because Kerr completely changed the way the team played offense. The guy is arguably the best coach in all of basketball. Isnt it great that Kerr will coach long after Curry retire? I think he is great but calling him agruably the best coach in all of basketball comes with expectations |
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Post by JB on Apr 16, 2023 8:22:46 GMT -5
the Nuggets graciously tested the coaching theory when they moved from Karl to Shaw and the Nuggets promptly fell apart in spectacular fashion, even though Lawson was playing at a star level - averaging 19/9/4
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Post by Ring on Apr 16, 2023 9:47:03 GMT -5
bleacherreport.com/articles/2271582-how-the-golden-state-warriors-offense-has-evolved-under-steve-kerrArticles were literally written the first year that Kerr came in about how he changed the offense. Above is one of them. Also details in there about how Steph wasn't used a ton off the ball in college, especially in terms of pindowns to create space. You can pretend it was just because they swapped a big that could pass better (Lee wasn't a bad passer), but in reality it's because Kerr completely changed the way the team played offense. The guy is arguably the best coach in all of basketball. Isnt it great that Kerr will coach long after Curry retire? I think he is great but calling him agruably the best coach in all of basketball comes with expectations Sure but outside of Pop who really has an argument? Spoelstra definitely has one and he's one of the best bar none. That kind of ends the guys who have an argument though. There are other young coaches out there that are fantastic though (Mazulla, Daigneault, Hardy, Jenkins) |
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Post by inyourmind on Apr 16, 2023 10:17:40 GMT -5
bleacherreport.com/articles/2271582-how-the-golden-state-warriors-offense-has-evolved-under-steve-kerrArticles were literally written the first year that Kerr came in about how he changed the offense. Above is one of them. Also details in there about how Steph wasn't used a ton off the ball in college, especially in terms of pindowns to create space. You can pretend it was just because they swapped a big that could pass better (Lee wasn't a bad passer), but in reality it's because Kerr completely changed the way the team played offense. The guy is arguably the best coach in all of basketball. Warriors had Monte Ellis Currys rookie year. He literally played more minutes at SG than he has at any point in his career. A comical amount of his buckets were assisted as well. The most out of any season in his career. I just think there’s atleast 25 coaches all time who win a ring with Curry/Klay/Green. Probably 100+ once you add Durant. You don’t seem to realize how free flowing the NBA is compared to other levels of basketball. Coaches don’t have full control. Managing ego’s and getting guys to buy in are why Kerr/Pop/Jackson are what they are and not because of the X’s/O’s. 1st option 2nd option 3rd option/starters Bench Coach If all things are equal than yeah a coach can swing the tide. Even than I wouldn’t say it’s because of his X’s/O’s but just how he’s able to manage the team. Like Phil Jackson could make a difference in his prime if he was coaching Minny. |
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Post by Ring on Apr 16, 2023 10:24:09 GMT -5
Yes and a big proponent of the NBA becoming free flowing was because of Kerr and Curry. That still doesn't change the fact that come playoff time coaches have to make adjustments mid-game and mid-series in order to win.
A great example would be the Cavs/Knicks yesterday. Bickerstaff adjusted by finishing the game with Osman over Okoro (offense for defense) and it ended up burning them because Osman couldn't guard Brunson down the stretch of the game. Those decisions matter. Was it the entire reason they lost the game? No. But did it allow the Knicks to close the game out and win it because of a good matchup? Yes.
If Malone subs out MPJ for Bruce late and it costs the Nuggets the game due to a lack of offensive spacing, that's entirely on Malone and his poor coaching decision. And that's one of my biggest fears in this playoff run, and in the first round. Will Malone have the balls to bench AG late in a game when it's clear the Wolves aren't going to guard him? Of course not, because AG defends and that's all Malone cares about. But that lack of adjustment could be the difference in a game.
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Post by inyourmind on Apr 16, 2023 10:32:22 GMT -5
At the NBA level a lot of the decisions coaches make are dependant on the players they have. If you gave every NBA coach GS’s talent they’d obviously do things differently. I’m not saying coaches have zero impact just that they aren’t the difference in winning a ring and being a 1 and done.
Kerr won 15 games without Curry/Klay lmao look what Pops doing now. Look at how Jackson’s career ended. Coaches are important at controlling a room and managing a room. Ideally you want an edge in adjustments. X’s/O’s are something that involves multiple coaches/players etc.
Talent has and always will win out in the NBA.
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Post by Ring on Apr 16, 2023 10:40:48 GMT -5
At the NBA level a lot of the decisions coaches make are dependant on the players they have. If you gave every NBA coach GS’s talent they’d obviously do things differently. I’m not saying coaches have zero impact just that they aren’t the difference in winning a ring and being a 1 and done. Kerr won 15 games without Curry/Klay lmao look what Pops doing now. Look at how Jackson’s career ended. Coaches are important at controlling a room and managing a room. Ideally you want an edge in adjustments. X’s/O’s are something that involves multiple coaches/players etc. Talent has and always will win out in the NBA. Of course talent matters the most. But most contenders have a similar amount of top end talent and that's why coaching does matter because you need to take advantage of everything you can. This isn't like the KD Warriors where the talent discrepancy was too great to overcome for any team. The league is wide open. |
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Post by inyourmind on Apr 16, 2023 10:50:21 GMT -5
At the NBA level a lot of the decisions coaches make are dependant on the players they have. If you gave every NBA coach GS’s talent they’d obviously do things differently. I’m not saying coaches have zero impact just that they aren’t the difference in winning a ring and being a 1 and done. Kerr won 15 games without Curry/Klay lmao look what Pops doing now. Look at how Jackson’s career ended. Coaches are important at controlling a room and managing a room. Ideally you want an edge in adjustments. X’s/O’s are something that involves multiple coaches/players etc. Talent has and always will win out in the NBA. Of course talent matters the most. But most contenders have a similar amount of top end talent and that's why coaching does matter because you need to take advantage of everything you can. This isn't like the KD Warriors where the talent discrepancy was too great to overcome for any team. The league is wide open. I don’t think contenders have similar top end talent at all. On any level. 1st options/2nd options etc. and when they face off you’ll see them outplay eachother. I think managing egos/chemistry is very important and that falls on the coach. I think getting good adjustments/rotations makes things easier and helps you win out where things are even but in the NBA rarely are things even in a 7 game series. Coaching will be like 8th thing that helps decide a series. |
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Post by scooter on Apr 16, 2023 11:45:24 GMT -5
I’m not a coaching savant and have nothing much to add to this discussion.
The Warriors-Suns game was super fun. That doesn’t surprise me because — let’s be honest — the Warriors style of basketball is incredibly fun and while the Kings don’t have the outside shooting to play a similar system, they do tend to play fast. I was picking the Warriors to win this series, but maybe I underestimated Fox and Monk.
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Post by Dante on Apr 16, 2023 13:26:57 GMT -5
Team built around generational talent with emphasis to empower his strengths and hide his weaknesses is like 90% of the job. Coaching in NBA is to manage those rich young people egos and put them in place to succeed. I think that coach Malone is one of the best in the NBA regarding that. After all, Nuggets locker room looks more like a brotherhood or college locker room than typical NBA "Me, Myself and I" mantra. When it comes to game managing Malone would be better suited to coach a team like Raptors in my opinion to compliment his basketball philosophy. Having a core group of Jokic, MPJ and Jamal and asking them to implement his defense, rebound and run philosophy is like asking Shaq to shoot 3's and Kobe to play pass first basketball. I am highly skeptical that that combination can work, although would love to be proven wrong more than anything by this Nuggets team. Nikola Jokic is generational talent but with glaring weakness in agility and rim protection. Having 2 more max players next to his supermax in MPJ and Jamal that are both at best average defenders while being inconsistent offensive players cant translate into championship/s. I am not sure that even with Steve Kerr as our head coach and prime Draymond instead of AG that this group would be a top 10 defense. Offense would be better, but our offense is already elite as long as we play thru Jokic and he is locked in. Great offense will win you bunch of games, but without defense championship is just a dream.
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Post by Ring on Apr 16, 2023 14:26:21 GMT -5
Of course talent matters the most. But most contenders have a similar amount of top end talent and that's why coaching does matter because you need to take advantage of everything you can. This isn't like the KD Warriors where the talent discrepancy was too great to overcome for any team. The league is wide open. I don’t think contenders have similar top end talent at all. On any level. 1st options/2nd options etc. and when they face off you’ll see them outplay eachother. I think managing egos/chemistry is very important and that falls on the coach. I think getting good adjustments/rotations makes things easier and helps you win out where things are even but in the NBA rarely are things even in a 7 game series. Coaching will be like 8th thing that helps decide a series. Is there really a big difference between Jokic, Embiid, Steph, Giannis etc? |
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Post by BBBbbb on Apr 16, 2023 15:11:26 GMT -5
Well AD was due for a strange injury.
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