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Post by jimijam28 on Feb 11, 2020 10:47:44 GMT -5
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Post by nuggetshipster on Feb 11, 2020 10:49:16 GMT -5
I don't see us having enough assets for Beal. Or Holiday
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Post by jimijam28 on Feb 11, 2020 11:33:04 GMT -5
looks like we were also looking at zac lavine
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Post by flo on Feb 11, 2020 11:44:52 GMT -5
looks like we were also looking at zac lavine source ?
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Post by scooter on Feb 11, 2020 12:05:51 GMT -5
I don't see us having enough assets for Beal. Or Holiday The Nuggets have plenty of assets assuming guys stay healthy and finish the year strong. Harris is likely to play better the rest of the season -- he's still a good player and while he might not get back to 40% on threes, I don't think he's going to stay at 40% FG and 30% 3FG either. Another real asset nobody has discussed is Barton. Barton provides great intangibles in addition to his on court contribution, but if Porter is ready to start at SF next season, that -- Harris + Barton is the legit consolidation trade for a guy like Beal. The team would have to decide if it's willing to give up both of those guys, and that's not an easy decision.
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Post by GBG on Feb 11, 2020 12:12:20 GMT -5
I don't see us having enough assets for Beal. Or Holiday The Nuggets have plenty of assets assuming guys stay healthy and finish the year strong. Harris is likely to play better the rest of the season -- he's still a good player and while he might not get back to 40% on threes, I don't think he's going to stay at 40% FG and 30% 3FG either. Another real asset nobody has discussed is Barton. Barton provides great intangibles in addition to his on court contribution, but if Porter is ready to start at SF next season, that -- Harris + Barton is the legit consolidation trade for a guy like Beal. The team would have to decide if it's willing to give up both of those guys, and that's not an easy decision. Thatās the type of decision TC has never been willing to make, though we came close on a Love trade a couple seasons ago. Doubt anything like this happens.
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Post by scooter on Feb 11, 2020 23:38:34 GMT -5
The Nuggets have plenty of assets assuming guys stay healthy and finish the year strong. Harris is likely to play better the rest of the season -- he's still a good player and while he might not get back to 40% on threes, I don't think he's going to stay at 40% FG and 30% 3FG either. Another real asset nobody has discussed is Barton. Barton provides great intangibles in addition to his on court contribution, but if Porter is ready to start at SF next season, that -- Harris + Barton is the legit consolidation trade for a guy like Beal. The team would have to decide if it's willing to give up both of those guys, and that's not an easy decision. Thatās the type of decision TC has never been willing to make, though we came close on a Love trade a couple seasons ago. Doubt anything like this happens. I'm not sure I'd make that trade either. It would create real depth issues unless the team had a realistic path to adding some quality depth in the free agent market. I looked it up and there are a bunch of decent veteran SGs and SFs who will be UFAs this summer. Still -- there is only 1 ball, Beal can be a free agent again in 2022, he's averaging 29 points this season on huge volume and mediocre efficiency, and he hasn't played much defense. I'd say there is a legit question as to how good a fit he is playing with Murray, Jokic and Porter in the starting lineup. He's only shot 32% on threes this season, so it's not like adding Klay Thompson.
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Post by ravito on Feb 12, 2020 17:39:03 GMT -5
looks like we were also looking at zac lavine source ? From NBA Trade Rumors the other day: "The Nuggets discussed the possibility of trading Gary Harris, Malik Beasley, and Juan Hernangomez as part of a package for Bulls guard Zach LaVine or Pelicans guard Jrue Holiday, sources tell Scotto. New Orleans set a very high asking price for Holiday, while LaVine was said to be āoff-limitsā for Chicago, so Denver didnāt get far on either front."
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Post by rock on Feb 12, 2020 17:46:54 GMT -5
From NBA Trade Rumors the other day: "The Nuggets discussed the possibility of trading Gary Harris, Malik Beasley, and Juan Hernangomez as part of a package for Bulls guard Zach LaVine or Pelicans guard Jrue Holiday, sources tell Scotto. New Orleans set a very high asking price for Holiday, while LaVine was said to be āoff-limitsā for Chicago, so Denver didnāt get far on either front." Lavine is talented and stats wise thatās a deal we should always accept, but Iām not 100% sure lavine makes us better with his shot selection and defense.
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Post by JB on Feb 12, 2020 17:55:08 GMT -5
Malone would have flipped his lid if Tim swapped Gary for Lavine.
what exactly would ZL give this team that MPJ/Barton/Murray aren't already giving us? I'm struggling to reason out why Tim would even calls the Bulls in the first place.
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Post by rock on Feb 12, 2020 17:56:55 GMT -5
Malone would have flipped his lid if Tim swapped Gary for Lavine. what exactly would ZL give this team that MPJ/Barton/Murray aren't already giving us? I'm struggling to reason out why Tim would even calls the Bulls in the first place. True And itās not like we would have dumped Harrisās salary to keep Beasley since he was in the proposed deal too
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Post by scooter on Feb 12, 2020 18:30:09 GMT -5
Malone would have flipped his lid if Tim swapped Gary for Lavine. what exactly would ZL give this team that MPJ/Barton/Murray aren't already giving us? I'm struggling to reason out why Tim would even calls the Bulls in the first place. Height, athleticism and shooting ability. They can teach him other things. He's still only 24. One of the things I've noticed about the guys they've been adding is they all have length. McRae, for example, has a 7' wingspan and 8'8" standing reach according to the 2014 official combine measurements, both of which are very big numbers for a guy considered to be a SG. Grant, Bates-Diop, Vonleh -- they all have a lot of length. My sense is the FO thinks that surrounding the skill core with length, shooting ability and athleticism all over the court is a championship formula and I can't say I disagree.
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Post by jimijam28 on Feb 12, 2020 18:37:09 GMT -5
I would have done that deal in a sec
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Post by JB on Feb 12, 2020 18:53:04 GMT -5
the bane of Mike Malone's existence is high turnovers and poor defensive effort and ZL provides both in spades.
this is like giving Phil Jackson players incapable of playing in the Triangle or when Magic surrounded Lebron with playmakers that can't spread the floor. this is Malone's fifth season with the Nuggets, Tim needs to either commit to his coaching philosophy or find a coach that will get the most of the roster he wants to build.
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Post by GBG on Feb 12, 2020 18:54:45 GMT -5
LaVine or Holiday, who cares, either would make us better. Get either of them this summer. They are both are fine ex UCLA Bruins! We might wanna take a look at Kyle Anderson while weāre at it.
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Post by odvala on Feb 12, 2020 19:12:07 GMT -5
I think that we should review our "position of need" after the playoffs and who should we aim for in the summer. Ofc, if we win the title we will not going to make any moves
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 19:59:28 GMT -5
I would have loved Lavine. Guys always talk about defensive effort but that is a thing you can teach. You'd be surprised how much harder guys play when they're on a playoff team for example. Look at how much harder Jokic played in the playoffs.
Also Lavine is younger and better than Harris. The only thing is...not sure enough shots would be around for Murray, Lavine, MPJ and Jokic. Although I doubt Jokic would care about his shots lol
Rather have Lavine than Jrue
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Post by inyourmind on Feb 12, 2020 21:00:52 GMT -5
I'd love LaVine. He's averaging like 25 points on 57% TS. Inflated numbers playing a poor team for sure but he's a pretty lethal shooter. IMO individual defense in this current era is wildly overrated. It's more about team defense/schemes nowadays. You don't see guys isoing non stop. With all the switching/pick and rolls/extra spacing due to the 3 point shot defense is played on a string with 5 guys. You still have the occasional matchup where players get locked up, like what Craig does but I think you'd still be able to do that with LaVine at the 2.
I think the upside of having a defense first coachis he should be able to get the best out of his players defensively. Which I think he has.
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Post by inyourmind on Feb 12, 2020 21:09:41 GMT -5
Thatās the type of decision TC has never been willing to make, though we came close on a Love trade a couple seasons ago. Doubt anything like this happens. he's averaging 29 points this season on huge volume and mediocre efficiency, I don't think it's fair at all to say it's on medicore efficiency. Usually the higher the volume the more efficiency sinks. It's easier to be efficient on 10 shots than 20. Beal's averaging 29 points on 57% TS. 58% last year, 56% the year before, and 60% when he averaged 23 points per game. On this Nuggets roster he'd only have to score 19-24 a game so I'd feel pretty confident in him being pretty efficient here. For comparison Murray's TS% is .555, Barton's .543, and Harris at a horrific .496. Having a guard like Beal/LaVine would be a gigantic upgrade offensively. Beal's currently having his worst 3 point shooting season in his entire career too. I'd feel confident in saying he'll be better than 32% over the next few seasons. He has to shoot way too much in Washington.
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Post by scooter on Feb 12, 2020 21:28:14 GMT -5
Holiday still seems to me to be the best fit of the guys we've discussed because of how impactful a defender he can be. If Williamson can stay healthy, though, I think they project to be a playoff team next season so I'm not sure why the Pels would want to trade him at this point.
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