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Post by brick2 on Nov 26, 2016 12:35:43 GMT -5
Just keep in mind that Malone is a young coach in terms of head coaching experience and that even if he makes mistakes, bailing early on him would most likely bring in even worse results for the season. Besides, in business I'd never fire someone for making an honest mistake. They just learned something on my dime and it'd be foolish to throw away that experience. However they have to learn from their mistakes so let's hope Malone's capacity for adapting catches up.
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Post by brick2 on Nov 26, 2016 12:38:30 GMT -5
Thus, I think Malone gets three seasons to prove himself here. I think he will too unless something drastically bad happens or his attitude goes off the rails. |
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Post by scooter on Nov 26, 2016 18:12:50 GMT -5
Scooter, you really not sure Malone gets three full seasons? I am, unless Tim Connelly is in trouble in the short-term, and I don't think he is. TC and MM are joined at the hip. Malone was TC's pick to replace Shaw, over Coach Mel and Mike D'Antoni. Those two were preferred by one or two people close to the org from what I've read and heard, but Josh let Tim make the call, and approved of Malone at the end of the process. So, if Malone isn't allowed to coach the third season per his contract, then Tim may not be our GM either. They also have a very close relationship, so if Josh steps in and fires Malone after this season, it will likely be over Tim's objections. And Tim was extended this past year. Makes for a very awkward situation. Thus, I think Malone gets three seasons to prove himself here. I think ownership will evaluate them independently on a going forward basis. And I don't think Connelly is going to fall on his sword for Malone. Maybe Malone will get 3 full seasons to prove himself. Maybe he won't. I have no idea. |
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Post by jimijam28 on Dec 3, 2016 0:56:04 GMT -5
odds malone make it past this season?
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Post by rock on Dec 3, 2016 0:56:50 GMT -5
odds malone make it past this season? Better than it should be since the kroenkes are cheap |
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Post by eathb on Dec 3, 2016 0:57:21 GMT -5
odds malone make it past this season? Would trade the vets before firing Malone. |
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Post by jimijam28 on Dec 3, 2016 0:58:50 GMT -5
odds malone make it past this season? Better than it should be since the kroenkes are cheap it is the main reason why we got malone- he was cheap |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 1:01:11 GMT -5
Yea, pay a real coach.
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Post by 144 others on Dec 3, 2016 1:11:39 GMT -5
Malone in his presser when he got the job: "The moment you have to coach effort is when you're in trouble".
You're in trouble Malone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 1:22:08 GMT -5
As posted in Rockets game thread loss:
Malone knows he sucks...
-He apologizes to fans
-He told team it was an unacceptable loss
-The problems start with him
-He didn't prepare his team for the Rockets
-Nuggets get outworked on home court; he has no explanation
-More apologies to fans, we deserve better
-If guys go through motions, he needs to find guys who will play even if young
-Out-played v Out-worked is different and they are getting out-worked; that doesn't set well with him
-Miami an Houston "kicked our ass"; if we continue Utah will also "kick their ass"
-Nuggets are in a "bad place"
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Post by GBG on Dec 3, 2016 1:34:54 GMT -5
Malone is probably safe through most, if not all of his third season. I think he will get fired since he can't coach his way out of a paper bag during game, despite being a great guy and strong communicator. He's just clueless and now losing some control of his team. My guess is he's gone late in the 2018 season.
We are gonna go tank mode at the deadline to give Malone an excuse for our 26-28 wins we end up with this season. He will be here next season.
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Post by JB on Dec 3, 2016 1:43:15 GMT -5
Malone is probably safe through most, if not all of his third season. I think he will get fired since he can't coach his way out of a paper bag during game, despite being a great guy and strong communicator. He's just clueless and now losing some control of his team. My guess is he's gone late in the 2018 season. We are gonna go tank mode at the deadline to give Malone an excuse for our 26-28 wins we end up with this season. He will be here next season. agreed. KronCon waited until the last possible moment to fire Shaw, and he had the added bonus of being a cancerous headcase. Malone isn't going anywhere. the best we can hope for is Josh opening up his wallet for some decent assistants in the summer. |
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Post by brick2 on Dec 3, 2016 12:50:46 GMT -5
Shaw was like 2-18 leading up to getting fired. The FO gave him a lot of rope.
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Post by eathb on Dec 4, 2016 17:41:01 GMT -5
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Post by eathb on Dec 11, 2016 8:12:59 GMT -5
Shaw was like 2-18 leading up to getting fired. The FO gave him a lot of rope. It's somewhat uncanny that the similarities with Shaw are unfolding. Nevertheless I don't know about our win loss record with our roster. It's been pointed out before but the Nuggets Shaw coached actually ranked better in offense and defense than the current Nuggets. The bigger disappointment about this year is that we've just gone backwards. We are worst across the board except for rebounding. I think it's realistic to say that Malone had something going with the Jurkic lineup as we actually played okay teams then and had a top 10 defense in that period (also we beat teams like the Spurs using them to finish last season) but it doesn't appear that he's a good judge of talent or he doesn't believe in the young talent we have. I don't know if the veterans have too much influence on this team and if the locker room are full of prima donnas which is why we aren't letting the young guys unleash. Pops for example benches veterans all the time, heck he even benches Tim Duncan and you hear nothing coming out of the vets. Kerr and Lue benched Bogut and Mozgov respectively in the previous two Finals and you hear nothing, zero complaints coming out of the players. When we attempt to bench say a Faried or Nelson then word comes out about their complaints about it. |
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Post by Coach Sticky on Dec 11, 2016 11:51:10 GMT -5
Shaw's roster was built to be WAY more successful than this team. If Malone coached Shaw's team, I see a top-5 in the West.
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Post by scooter on Dec 11, 2016 14:04:20 GMT -5
It's somewhat uncanny that the similarities with Shaw are unfolding. I don't see that. Shaw had a negative attitude and no feel for players' personalities or how to keep them positive. Players were openly rebelling. Malone is no tactical genius, but he's a generally upbeat guy and shows an obvious concern for players' mental states. Considering the Nuggets' record, the effort level and competitive spirit has mostly been high. |
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Post by inyourmind on Dec 11, 2016 16:22:52 GMT -5
I think that's the significant difference between the two. Shaw failed because of his personality. He had that veteran/old school approach. Malone is well liked from the outside looking in. I don't think the difference in talent is all that different tho. Shaw has some injuries, Nuggets have far more young talent now. Gallo/Chandler healthish. I think Shaw would have got way more out of Jokic/Nurkic. Malone still has time left to fix that. Ty Lawson was also an alcoholic. Faried went full ego. Shaw unlike Malone didn't give into the veteran PG either. Malone lets Nelson run the show. Shaw and Dre Miller went head to head. Had Malone sat Nelson behind Murray to start the season I'm pretty sure there could have been issues. I recall Nelson at some point with Denver talking about how he wants minutes.
Malone still has lots of time left to change things. His stint with the Kings, specifically the first year was pretty weak. He can't really regress this year. Needs to show something. Either the young players taking positive strides in there development or the Nuggets winning some games.
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Post by JB on Dec 11, 2016 17:08:49 GMT -5
Ty was always an alcoholic, but it was the Shaw era that turned him from high-functioning to degenerate and basically tanked his career.
still, he was pretty much our entire offense under Shaw. I've been critical of Malone but if he had Lawson averaging 18 & 9 we arguably would be over 500 right now.
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Post by inyourmind on Dec 11, 2016 20:29:59 GMT -5
Ty was always an alcoholic, but it was the Shaw era that turned him from high-functioning to degenerate and basically tanked his career. still, he was pretty much our entire offense under Shaw. I've been critical of Malone but if he had Lawson averaging 18 & 9 we arguably would be over 500 right now. Yeah you can't blame coaches for guys falling off the rails. Lawson was always a guy who went out and went clubbing and it just caught up too him. Didn't matter who was coaching. Stuff like that just catches up to you. Kept getting DUI's. Showing up to practice drunk. His career fell apart after that and he still hasn't got it back. He kept going off the rails even after Malone was removed. Lawson only played 62 games when Shaw won 36 his first year. Gallo missed the entire season. Chandler played 60. McGee got hurt the first week and was done for the year. Andre Miller didn't even play 40 games. Randy Foye started the most games for the roster, Hickson started like 50 games, Quincy Miller started like 16 games, J.Hamilton, A.Brooks. How soon people forget but after Shaw's first year everyone was predicting as a dark horse because Shaw managed to win as many games as he did. We were suppose to get Gallo back and have a healthy roster. Compare that 36 win season to what we have now. I mean s**t Mozzy was playing 20+ minutes that season. Shaw just tried that old school veteran stuff. Tried to be an authority figure and than show them some love. Didn't he like have the team for thanksgiving or some kinda dinner and Lawson and everybody was clowning him for it. Lawson went off the rails. Dude was posting s**t at the draft destroying his value. Lawson probably screwed this team more than Shaw/Melo etc. ever did. Shaw failed more because of man management, lockeroom stuff vs Malone who's fine there but struggling more with the actual basketball elements. The entire team basically just quit on Shaw to the point where there was no other option but to fire him. A few NBA players went at Denver for that. I remember David West having some comments about that. Shaw failed hardcore but the Nuggets players more or less destroyed his career and they deserve some responsibility for that. |
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