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Post by BBBbbb on Oct 19, 2017 4:51:58 GMT -5
OK now I'm definitely on the fire Malone bandwagon.
I am unsure if he's any better for a HC position than our sorry asses on NT, with our wishful thinking who should we get on our team.
Last season we could hear him numerous times pointing out how he is a "defensive" coach, yet we had the worst PnR defense in the league, everyone could see what was wrong with it, yet we kept it going the whole season. He needed a f***ing off season to work on defensive changes.
Then he started the story about a 9 man rotation... OK, even an 7-8 men rotation has been seen among successful teams in the league, but that is dictated by the roster, and we don't have that kind of roster. You have a lot of guys that bring different skills to the table, and should use them according to the current needs. We definitely don't have a 9 men rotation, our rotation needs to be adjusted from game to game. Last night was awful, he was so focused on just rotating the guys that he previously imagined, that a thing like two early PFs on Millsap in Q1 shattered his plans completely.
Coaches adapt their tactics to the team they have, not the other way around.
Guys like Malone make Pop look like a god among them. Guy has a bunch of players that should have retired 5yrs ago, and even in their prime they were not good defenders, yet his team plays defense. He takes NBA rejects who are playing OK in mediocre European teams and makes a player out of them, or stops them from becoming barbers, and makes them an integral part of the team. Kawahi if played under Malone would have ended up as a 3'n'D player at best.
The fall out last nigh is not only on Malone, everyone fucked up, but it was a good reminder why I dislike Malone.
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Post by GBG on Oct 19, 2017 8:10:47 GMT -5
Kevin Durant called Malone an amazing coach btw, but who dont durant like tho Still not sold on him. But I have seen many great coaches struggle at times. And the worst thing that could happen to this franchise is changing coaches every 2nd year. Fair comment, but the fact is Malone is not a good coach AT THIS TIME. I always think coaches can learn and get better as they gain experience, but we haven’t seen that from Malone. He frankly seems like a slow learner, and gets “deer in headlights” syndrome in fourth quarters. It’s so easy to see too. BTW, this is his third season with Nuggets, not second. |
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Post by 144 others on Oct 19, 2017 10:50:23 GMT -5
I mean, I think some red flags are definitely up.
Like what we've seen so far, the players don't seem to hesitate at all to call out on the coaching.
Karl for example, it's been confirmed that several players had issues but they never went at him in public until he released that book. They didn't say anything because I think they respect that he could coach at least.
With Malone we've already had a few players call him out. And a guy that's only known for coaching defense, can't even get this team out of the bottom 5 in defense, and the sudden jump in offense when arguably the best offensive center in the league suddenly got minutes carried a team to a top 3 offense?
Red flags are up for sure. Whether Malone can put them down, idk. Most Nuggets fans were split last season on whether he should be coaching this season. If we continually play trash defense and be unable to close games again, why should he continue as the head coach?
Brian Shaw with a far less talented roster that was lead by an alcoholic had a better win%.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 10:57:19 GMT -5
What is the offense or identity Malone is trying to establish? I just don't see anything. Last season, Jokic had a stretch of games where was "the man." Is Jokic capable of being the guy all year? I don't know, but if I were Malone, I would find out by making my offense be all about the Joker. That's how the NBA works. A stud runs the offense and if the team has other guys who can score, then it becomes a deep playoff team. I'd run it through Jokic and then let Millsap & Harris be important players in the offense.
If Malone doesn't run it through Jokic, come up with another identity. I just feel we are lacking any sense of a team game plan and it is frustrating.
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Post by scooter on Oct 19, 2017 14:09:06 GMT -5
It's one game. Personally, I thought Malone stuck with Barton at PG too long, and it now seems obvious (and concerning) that Nelson's departure is connected to the idea that Barton is going to play PG some of the time (which is a FO issue as much as a Malone issue).
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Post by GBG on Oct 19, 2017 14:39:56 GMT -5
It's one game. Personally, I thought Malone stuck with Barton at PG too long, and it now seems obvious (and concerning) that Nelson's departure is connected to the idea that Barton is going to play PG some of the time (which is a FO issue as much as a Malone issue). Plenty of weaknesses with this team. Barton as PG will not be a winning move. That’s coaching. That we currently don’t have a veteran PG is on the FO. As bad as Augustin was last year, I can’t imagine our PG play being worse than it was last night if we still have DJ and he had played 20 minutes. Just one example. Plenty of vet PGs we failed to obtain. It’s also a FO/coaching issue that WC got 34 minutes even though he played listlessly. Hopefully RJ will help, and that puts pressure on Chandler to be better. |
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Post by scooter on Oct 19, 2017 16:30:50 GMT -5
Chandler appears disinterested to me. I don't know if he's unhappy that management has not moved to extend him or maybe he is just getting tired of the NBA life. But I worry about our SF production.
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Post by game on Oct 19, 2017 17:09:27 GMT -5
Chandler appears disinterested to me. I don't know if he's unhappy that management has not moved to extend him or maybe he is just getting tired of the NBA life. But I worry about our SF production. Definitely. It's kind of his style to play so laid back it can feel like apathy, so hard to tell if anything is clearly different from last year to this year, but he'll need to be a lot better than last night. |
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Post by BigNutsJoker on Oct 19, 2017 17:25:19 GMT -5
Chandler appears disinterested to me. I don't know if he's unhappy that management has not moved to extend him or maybe he is just getting tired of the NBA life. But I worry about our SF production. He should be happy that we extended him to his current contract 2 years ago. I'm so sick of his aloof ass I could puke. I'd kill to see us package him up with a 2nd round pick to get somebody else's higher pick. His trade value is virtually nothing at this point, but his lazy ass play has become impossible to watch. At least he used to play defense, but even that has been highly suspect since the beginning of last year. |
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Post by GBG on Oct 19, 2017 19:49:51 GMT -5
Chandler appears disinterested to me. I don't know if he's unhappy that management has not moved to extend him or maybe he is just getting tired of the NBA life. But I worry about our SF production. He should be happy that we extended him to his current contract 2 years ago. I'm so sick of his aloof ass I could puke. I'd kill to see us package him up with a 2nd round pick to get somebody else's higher pick. His trade value is virtually nothing at this point, but his lazy ass play has become impossible to watch. At least he used to play defense, but even that has been highly suspect since the beginning of last year. Actually, about all he’s doing well is defending. His D was fine in preseason. Just passive on offensive end and missing shots. He may not be happy, but he’s our only 3 right now. Unless RJ could play 25 mpg AND we get another backup 3 like Dudley, we need Chandler. |
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Post by nuggetswy on Oct 19, 2017 23:03:35 GMT -5
Best thing I've got to say about Malone is that he does PR quite well.
Second best thing I can say about Malone is ... ... ... I'll have to get back to you on that.
Nope, I'm not on the Malone bandwagon. Don't think he's terrible, just don't believe he can handle players (see also "Nurkic" and a few other complaints). Not sure how well he teaches (see also "Mudiay" our "PG of the future). Not sure why he was introduced as a defensive-coach. Not sure why he seems to lose an assistant coach or two every off-season. Not sure why ... ...
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Post by Coach Sticky on Oct 20, 2017 10:30:02 GMT -5
Commitment starts with the players
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Post by scooter on Oct 20, 2017 11:52:02 GMT -5
Barton as PG will not be a winning move. That’s coaching. I'm not prepared to say Malone is definitely wrong in giving Barton some run at PG over Murray, who has 0 years of NBA PG experience, or Mudiay, who has 0 years of experience of effective NBA PG play, neither of whom were playing well against the Jazz. Its just a big positional weakness at this time, and I don't think there is any magic bullet solution. For example, DJ Augustin is 2nd on the Magic depth chart at PG and there is no evidence they are willing to trade him. With Lin out for the season, another proven PG bites the dust. The Nuggets are not the only team in this situation -- the fact the Bulls picked up Shane Larkin from the waiver wire (to back up Jerian Grant) wasn't exactly a vote of confidence in Kris Dunn or Cameron Payne (who is not only currently injured but reportedly is considered by Bulls insiders to simply not have NBA talent). The Nuggets are counting on our passing big men making it unnecessary to have traditional PGs other than the unproven and still questionable Mudiay. Its a gamble, especially because the team lacks playmaking SFs. One thing I think they really need to do is get the ball into the front court as quickly as possible, to give the offense time to run through our playmaking bigs -- Jokic, Plumlee and Millsap. Teams are going to game plan to try to force the Nuggets to use 10-12 seconds just to get the ball upcourt and into the offense. Its an obvious tactic and it worked for the Jazz. |
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Post by GBG on Oct 20, 2017 13:11:08 GMT -5
Was it smart to get rid of Nelson before we secured another veteran PG? The problem with Barton running point is that he’s not proven as effective doing so either. He tends to make mistakes under physical pressure, especially in fourth quarters AFTER he has already logged about 25 minutes. Malone used Barton for 31 minutes in Utah, and that’s a coaching mistake. Especially relying on Barton in the fourth quarter when he clearly had cooled off or tired from his great effort and performance in the first half. Malone overuses players, plays them out of position, and doesn’t sub them out when tired. He’s a weak in-game coach.
But you’re right, scooter. Our alternatives at PG are piss poor right now, and that’s on TC/AK. You are correct that many teams face this problem, but not teams in the WC that consider themselves playoff contenders. TC’s failure at PG position by simply relying on the unproven and inexperienced youngsters could come back to bite us. Glad he filled a hole at SF with RJ, but he exacerbated another hole in doing so. I’d have rather we trade Lyles for a pick, or waive Craig than move on from Nelson at this time.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 20, 2017 13:18:39 GMT -5
its might be a slight problem this season, but hopefully and most likely good for the future
and i doubt RJ would have accepted a two-way contract
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Post by GBG on Oct 20, 2017 14:33:46 GMT -5
its might be a slight problem this season, but hopefully and most likely good for the future and i doubt RJ would have accepted a two-way contract Why would we want RJ on a 2-way contract? Clearly, he’s here to be on the roster all season, not for the 45-day limit imposed by 2-ways. I also think he will get into the rotation and play close to 20 mpg as WC’s backup. I also expect RJ to get some starts when Chandler is hurt or sick. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 20, 2017 15:08:01 GMT -5
Im not the one who suggested waiving Craig instead of Jameer to make room for RJ
Glad we are on the same page
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Post by duh88 on Oct 20, 2017 16:30:38 GMT -5
Jameer is terrible. Morris will be better than Jameer, if the PG situation gets 'that' bad.
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Post by GBG on Oct 20, 2017 17:00:22 GMT -5
Jameer is not good, but Morris isn’t a roster spot that could be made available to RJ. I made a mistake earlier in naming Craig since he’s also 2-way, but Lyles is a virtual scrub for us and should be traded for a future pick to make room for Jefferson. Also, the lack of a veteran PG to mentor M&M will likely hurt.
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Post by blackhill on Oct 20, 2017 19:51:30 GMT -5
Chandler appears disinterested to me. I don't know if he's unhappy that management has not moved to extend him or maybe he is just getting tired of the NBA life. But I worry about our SF production. He can't be extended right now. He always seems unhappy when not writing love letters to the nuggets. |
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