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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 10:47:29 GMT -5
I feel he totally threw Jokic under the bus last night. He doesn't make those comments about other players. It's one game, but I hope we don't see Malone splitting minutes evenly between Jokic and Plumlee. If Jokic plays badly, I hope Malone doesn't openly criticize him while other guys get a free pass. You'll never hear him say a word about guys like Jameer/Barton/Gallo/Chandler making mistakes or taking bad shots ever. Only Jokic/Mudiay/Murray are allowed to be pulled and criticized in that way because they don't have more than 5 years of NBA experience. And again, everyone here is being way too hard on Malone. He's legitimately in an impossible situation. He somehow has to try to develop our youth while balancing all of our vets egos who are good players that think they are great. Once you start cutting minutes for them they b***h to the media and are unhappy. That hurts team chemistry. A lot of this falls on TC's shoulders. The team had the problem of being too deep going into the season, and that same problem is even worse now and will most likely cost us that 8 seed because it's impossible to carve out a decent rotation and play the guys who need to play without pissing others off. Mudiay, a #6 pick that everyone knew was a project was botched so badly it's not even funny. Project PG forced to start and play 33 mpg. Played well at times, wasn't strong enough to finish at the hoop and not a great shooter. Goes from being the starter on the team to DNPs in a 10 game span because of an injury. This really is the Nurkic situation all over again, we are just lucky that Mudiay is a good enough teammate that he won't b***h. Malone is totally doing him and the organization a disservice by not playing him at the backup point and putting Murray back at the 2. |
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Post by GBG on Feb 24, 2017 11:11:38 GMT -5
LOL, gallofan. You berate us for being way too hard on Malone, and then you write an entire paragraph about how Malone has mishandled Mudiay. Having it both ways.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 11:22:38 GMT -5
LOL, gallofan. You berate us for being way too hard on Malone, and then you write an entire paragraph about how Malone has mishandled Mudiay. Having it both ways. Lmao I'm not berating I'm just trying to make sure everyone sees that Malone does have a tougher job than we think. Malone benching Jokic, 12/15, holding certain guys accountable and not holding other guys accountable are definitely things you can throw at Malone. This roster would be impossible for anyone to coach though. We are way too deep to where it's actually a negative. We all knew it going into the deadline and TC not pulling the trigger on any of these deals is going to kill us. I'm not pissed at Malone for his rotations last night. I'm pissed at Malone for holding our young guys to a different set of standards...it sends a bad message. Vets are allowed to do 1 thing but if you do it you're benched. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Feb 24, 2017 11:34:07 GMT -5
I agree with the different set of standards, but maybe thats because veterans are tough to mold and he doesnt want the youngsters to develop the same bad habits
Dont know, but i agree that is frustrating
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Post by GBG on Feb 24, 2017 11:36:32 GMT -5
TC needs to start feeling the heat too, very soon in my opinion. He has not "moved the needle" though he's "tried to be aggressive". What good is all this depth if they don't actually consolidate it for better players? Or do something to define team more? This summer, if TC fails to do that, his job should be in trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 11:43:39 GMT -5
I agree with the different set of standards, but maybe thats because veterans are tough to mold and he doesnt want the youngsters to develop the same bad habits Dont know, but i agree that is frustrating That is a fair point because we aren't in the mix to know Malone's thought process behind his decisions. That said, the eye test tells me Malone has no clue how to manage and lead his roster. His post gamers are cringe worthy, but then again it could just be coach speak for the press and he keeps his true feelings and business behind closed doors--- expect for throwing Jokic under the boss to Altitude Media and Bloggers. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 11:51:51 GMT -5
I agree with the different set of standards, but maybe thats because veterans are tough to mold and he doesnt want the youngsters to develop the same bad habits Dont know, but i agree that is frustrating It's his job to coach to win though, not be afraid of the vets. I'd rather have a coach that a player hates because they're too hard on them than a coach a player loves that doesn't hold him accountable. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Feb 24, 2017 12:11:26 GMT -5
I agree with the different set of standards, but maybe thats because veterans are tough to mold and he doesnt want the youngsters to develop the same bad habits Dont know, but i agree that is frustrating It's his job to coach to win though, not be afraid of the vets. I'd rather have a coach that a player hates because they're too hard on them than a coach a player loves that doesn't hold him accountable. make up your mind, should he coach to win or develop Mudiay? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 12:12:29 GMT -5
It's his job to coach to win though, not be afraid of the vets. I'd rather have a coach that a player hates because they're too hard on them than a coach a player loves that doesn't hold him accountable. make up your mind, should he coach to win or develop Mudiay? Developing Mudiay at the 1 and Murray at the 2 would help this team win this year, and moving forward. So he'd be doing both at the same time. |
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Post by Coach Sticky on Feb 24, 2017 12:26:45 GMT -5
Guys don't worry... I'll get my coaching license this summer so I'm ready to take over this team... feel free to be #1 COY sticky fan
Promise I'll let your suggestions be influenced
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Post by jimijam28 on Feb 24, 2017 12:31:40 GMT -5
Guys don't worry... I'll get my coaching license this summer so I'm ready to take over this team... feel free to be #1 COY sticky fan Promise I'll let your suggestions be influenced I will get sticky sucks thread ready lol |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 12:37:28 GMT -5
Guys don't worry... I'll get my coaching license this summer so I'm ready to take over this team... feel free to be #1 COY sticky fan Promise I'll let your suggestions be influenced Just don't run the offense through your boy. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 12:38:01 GMT -5
Coach Sticky... that would probably leave our backcourt with Mudiay at the 1 and Erik running the 2.
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Post by Coach Sticky on Feb 24, 2017 12:46:08 GMT -5
I'd go for a high paced offense, but even more important defense that pressures a lot and be aggressive because THAT'S what we should be doing... if everyone gives it their all out there on defense, WE have the perfect roster situation to give an exhausted player a break... run your ass off for 6-7 minutes, come out, get a break, get back in...
I'd go like
Mudiay 24 / Nelson 14 / Murray 10
Harris 26 / Murray 16 / Barton 6
Gallo 24 / Juancho 16 / Chandler 8
Faried 20 / Arthur 14 / Chandler 14
Jokic 28 / Plumlee 20
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Post by game on Feb 24, 2017 13:05:18 GMT -5
I'm not psyched about jumping into this discussion, but our front office deserves a ton of blame here. This roster is an absolute mess of disparate players who may or may not be ideal fits with one another. We've been in "throw everything we can against the wall and hope some things stick" mode for a few years now. Now that a few things are sticking, I would have assumed the next steps are moving away from "throw everything against the wall" and move toward building around what has stuck.
It was naive to think a big move was in the cards yesterday, but man, not even a couple smaller moves that at least demonstrate a direction? Maybe, like, even one guy who can play defense other than Arthur and sometimes Chandler? Maybe move one of the iso/ball pounding guys (Nelson/Barton/Gallo) and find a player who complements Jokic a bit more either in house or elsewhere? Doesn't need to be moving all of them, but maybe one of them? None of it, and Malone is left to pick up the pieces of a 10-12 man rotation where we really want to make the playoffs while also playing these young guys who are super inconsistent.
Malone isn't without blame. Apparently we're revisiting playing Jokic with another C who can't play 4 (or defend or shoot). That's f***ing mind-boggling. There's an organizational failure here, but since the coach is the guy we see every game and the deadline has come and gone, it's going to fall on his lap.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 13:13:30 GMT -5
I'd go for a high paced offense, but even more important defense that pressures a lot and be aggressive because THAT'S what we should be doing... if everyone gives it their all out there on defense, WE have the perfect roster situation to give an exhausted player a break... run your ass off for 6-7 minutes, come out, get a break, get back in... I'd go like Mudiay 24 / Nelson 14 / Murray 10 Harris 26 / Murray 16 / Barton 6 Gallo 24 / Juancho 16 / Chandler 8 Faried 20 / Arthur 14 / Chandler 14 Jokic 28 / Plumlee 20 Full court press? |
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Post by jimijam28 on Feb 24, 2017 13:45:14 GMT -5
Coach sticky > pop lol
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Post by game on Feb 24, 2017 15:09:00 GMT -5
Hearing some of the takes on the radio today about how Jokic needs to be more assertive - too passive in deferring to Plumlee against Minnesota, and too passive with the vets back last night. Then reading takes on here about how Malone was too hard on Jokic.
I'd say let Malone coach Jokic a bit. If that means calling him out sometimes, let him do it. You coach Jokic differently because of the expectations the franchise has on him at 22. Jameer Nelson has zero expectations beyond this year. We need to have an organization that pushes him when he needs to be pushed, not take the Kings approach of being fearful to coach your best player. I'm not comparing him to Cousins at all, but Pop loved Duncan because he could coach him as hard as anybody on the roster. As long as Cousins is who he is, he's ceiling is capped. If Jokic can be more receptive to coaching like Duncan, that's a really, really good thing. He's never going to get where we want him to be if he's coddled or never challenged to keep getting better, or more vocal, or more assertive.
I'd say ease up on freaking out if Malone is hard on Jokic. The reasons he's harder on Jokic than Nelson are not just because he's afraid of Nelson. A lot bigger picture than that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 15:32:25 GMT -5
Hearing some of the takes on the radio today about how Jokic needs to be more assertive - too passive in differing to Plumlee against Minnesota, and too passive with the vets back last night. Then reading takes on here about how Malone was too hard on Jokic. I'd say let Malone coach Jokic a bit. If that means calling him out sometimes, let him do it. You coach Jokic differently because of the expectations the franchise has on him at 22. Jameer Nelson has zero expectations beyond this year. We need to have an organization that pushes him when he needs to be pushed, not take the Kings approach of being fearful to coach your best player. I'm not comparing him to Cousins at all, but Pop loved Duncan because he could coach him as hard as anybody on the roster. As long as Cousins is who he is, he's ceiling is capped. If Jokic can be more receptive to coaching like Duncan, that's a really, really good thing. He's never going to get where we want him to be if he's coddled or never challenged to keep getting better, or more vocal, or more assertive. I'd say ease up on freaking out if Malone is hard on Jokic. The reasons he's harder on Jokic than Nelson are not just because he's afraid of Nelson. A lot bigger picture than that. I'd probably love your post if I valued Malone as a coach. Malone doesn't impress me so I don't trust how he handles Jokic or any player on the team. Time will tell. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 15:48:10 GMT -5
Also, isn't Pop revered because he coached and treated Duncan, Parker, and Manu the same as all players who played for the Spurs? Malone doesn't give an appearance of doing that because it sure did look like Jokic got pulled for chucking a bad three, but we've seen other Nuggets do it a lot and stay on the court. I hope tonight's game against the Nets is an improved performance from players and the coach and Malone's handling of Jokic and minutes for the roster becomes a non-issue. |
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