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Post by JB on Jan 10, 2017 18:09:19 GMT -5
the 57 win year may have been a fluke, but is there any reason to believe that with a better coach we couldn't emulate the success we had during the 11-12 season? that team was deep, had no major locker room issues and came damn close to upsetting the Lakers in the playoffs. is there any reason to believe with a better coach we wouldn't have a winning record at home? is there any reason to believe with a better coach teams on a second of b2b in Denver would not be auto wins like they were previously? is this team that devoid of talent that those are unrealistic goals? really? That's my point tho. There was always going to be something with how we've been building. Coaches like Malone and Shaw deserve some blame and played there part, and so have the players. However the building of this team was always extremely flawed and was always 100% reliant on getting that star trade, star singing and moving forward with that. Drafting a star seemed like a legitimate option but given the ages by the time that star hits 23-24 the supporting pieces are too old, and with how were building developing a true #1 option is kinda difficult as we've seen. Somebody was always going to get pissy over minutes, role, leave for greener pastures like Iggy, or when you rely on 5-10 guys equally get hurt and struggle with health. You just can't build a roster like Denver has. It's not the blue print. Teams with a track record of success can get away with it, teams like the Pistons got away with it because they were a collection of All-Stars vs fringe All-Stars/above average talent. Denver has had barely any hierarchy, direction. Karl was able to get the best out of this unit because it was at the start of what we were doing, it fit him perfectly because he was more or less the "star", than it came crashing down and the players realized we couldn't win. Didn't Andre Miller speak out and say something about that? It's like yeah with a better coach we'd win a few more games for sure. Someone who started Jokic and played him properly from the get go adds more wins. I don't think the wins are game changing tho, and I think just like Shaw/Malone it would be bound to come down. You'd need a great coach to sort the situation as well, not every coach could come in and do that. Guys were always going to leave, get hurt, or get annoyed. Regardless of who's the coach Denver's plan was always flawed and the biggest issue of them all. Even with Malone. Had we gave him a normal, unclustered roster, that wasn't a ticking timebomb for drama he would have looked bad. Malone has been brutal. I've s**t on him as much as anybody but Denver's situation isn't easy. He's been a bad coach his entire career IMO but he's the 2nd biggest issue to me behind how this team has been built. Malone had more of a normal, unclustered roster in Sac and the criticism from Kings fans almost mirror Nuggets fans. I do agree this roster is flawed, but I don't believe this unmitigated disaster of a outcome was inevitable. I see Faried have his minutes jerked around all season still be the biggest cheerleader on the bench, I saw Chandler play at near all-star level for the first part of the season trying to keep this team afloat. I put the blame on Josh. if he insisted on keeping the core intact, then he should have hired a coach according to the strengths of his roster. It feels like this franchise is moving in two different directions and that's on him. |
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Post by brick2 on Jan 10, 2017 21:15:49 GMT -5
I blame the fans.
We're blaming everyone else, so it's gotta be our fault too in some way.
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Post by AbdulJabber on Jan 12, 2017 9:18:57 GMT -5
Got bored and decided to compare where the Nugs are at now to this point last season.
Last year - 13/24 This year - 14/23.
Last year - 98.4/103.1 -4.7ppg This year - 108/111.2 -3.2ppg.
Last year - 6/3 in games decided by 5 points or less, 5/8 this year.
Last year - 4/14 in games decided by 10+, 6/9 this year.
So games are closer, but they haven't capitalized on it as much as you'd hope. It's odd that we were better in tight games last season. Probably inflated our record and is making it look like we're not improving, even though we're in so many more games. All those close wins also seemed to really help the "vibe". The feeling around here right now is very doom and gloom, but I think it was still fairly positive last year at this point.
All that said, definitely not the improvement I was hoping for.
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Post by inyourmind on Jan 12, 2017 14:49:29 GMT -5
Got bored and decided to compare where the Nugs are at now to this point last season. Last year - 13/24 This year - 14/23. Last year - 98.4/103.1 -4.7ppg This year - 108/111.2 -3.2ppg. Last year - 6/3 in games decided by 5 points or less, 5/8 this year. Last year - 4/14 in games decided by 10+, 6/9 this year. So games are closer, but they haven't capitalized on it as much as you'd hope. It's odd that we were better in tight games last season. Probably inflated our record and is making it look like we're not improving, even though we're in so many more games. All those close wins also seemed to really help the "vibe". The feeling around here right now is very doom and gloom, but I think it was still fairly positive last year at this point. All that said, definitely not the improvement I was hoping for. It's the defense. So much of defense is putting in effort. Currently the Nuggets are on a stretch where there beyond bad. That's pretty major regression. Worst defensive team in the league. Also how the young guys were handled. Jokic was mishandled right outta the gate, Nurkic being shopped because the DNP's made him unhappy and just the whole starting to not playing situation was handled poorly, Murray for a stretch was going off than his role changed and he's back to basically being invisible. Hernangomez looks more ready than expected and just isn't anything there for him. I think those things are fine as long as your winning but when your not it's tough to sell. Not to mention it's just another year. Every year it gets tougher to watch because it becomes less likely this "core" ever really does anything. No trades available that pushes us over the hump. This turned out to be the season where the 8th seed should have been in reach. It's pretty apparent that the success is going to most likely come on the backs on Jokic + the young players on this roster down the line vs on the backs of Gallo/Chandler/Faried/Barton with the young guys chipping in. Gallo's will turn 29, Chandler will turn 30, Faried is turning 28 at the start of next season is highly dependent on athletic ability for his success, Nelson is 34. Gallo looks annoyed so outside of Barton not even sure you can count on these guys in 2 more seasons which means it's probably a smart idea to tinker with this plan and change things up which I don't think anybody was expecting this season. Like a full on tank seems entirely possible if the FO wanted to accept they need a new plan which is becoming increasingly harder to deny they clearly do. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 22:05:03 GMT -5
I'm done with Malone.
He allows Barton and Nelson to chuck, ball hog and be selfish by not holding them accountable.
When Jokic is getting fouled and no calls, Malone doesn't stick up for him.
Malone's post game interviews often has him saying, "I apologized to the guys for my game plan not working."
He doesn't let young guys finish or keep playing when they earn it.
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Post by GBG on Feb 8, 2017 22:44:58 GMT -5
Malone is a nice guy, and smart too. Gives a good interview. But he can't coach, and I dunno if he gets better over time.
In a sense, he is sorta a wimpy coach. Show some balls, Malone. Don't be a wimp when ballhogs don't play the right way. Discipline them!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 22:50:06 GMT -5
Malone is a nice guy, and smart too. Gives a good interview. But he can't coach, and I dunno if he gets better over time. In a sense, he is sorta a wimpy coach. Show some balls, Malone. Don't be a wimp when ballhogs don't play the right way. Discipline them! Imagine what Pops reaction would be watching our vets? |
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Post by truch on Feb 8, 2017 23:09:03 GMT -5
Malone is a nice guy, and smart too. Gives a good interview. But he can't coach, and I dunno if he gets better over time. In a sense, he is sorta a wimpy coach. Show some balls, Malone. Don't be a wimp when ballhogs don't play the right way. Discipline them! Imagine what Pops reaction would be watching our vets? They would all be far better players under pop |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 23:11:05 GMT -5
Imagine what Pops reaction would be watching our vets? They would all be far better players under pop Or he just wouldn't play them if they played selfishly. |
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Post by truch on Feb 8, 2017 23:18:32 GMT -5
They would all be far better players under pop Or he just wouldn't play them if they played selfishly. Exactly. Barton would have played 5 mins tonight if pop was our coach. Pops players learn that if you play like a selfish dick that you dont get playing time |
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Post by jimijam28 on Feb 8, 2017 23:27:28 GMT -5
wow i didnt have too bump this thread lol- so dont blame me sticky
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Post by eathb on Feb 8, 2017 23:43:26 GMT -5
Biggest flag for me is that just about every player has gone backwards as a defender.
For a supposedly defense first coach he is doing a terrible job.
Offense is clicking but that is Jokic rather than Malone.
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Post by josh on Feb 8, 2017 23:52:13 GMT -5
Don't know if quote has been posted or not but YOUR GAME PLANS ALWAYS SUCK
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 0:00:58 GMT -5
What the hell is his game plan? I never see anything like when watching other teams.
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Post by kjukamber on Feb 9, 2017 6:16:58 GMT -5
It's official now- Malone sucks!
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Post by eathb on Feb 9, 2017 6:30:00 GMT -5
Personally, I do not understand how Malone isn't at fault for the high quantity of s**t shots Nelson/Barton/whoever put up to close games.
It's his job to instil an offensive system around his best player and also hold players accountable.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Feb 9, 2017 9:19:01 GMT -5
Malone is a nice guy, and smart too. Gives a good interview. But he can't coach, and I dunno if he gets better over time. In a sense, he is sorta a wimpy coach. Show some balls, Malone. Don't be a wimp when ballhogs don't play the right way. Discipline them! Imagine what Pops reaction would be watching our vets? we need to stop comparing our coaches to Pop! no one is like Pop Carlisle and Stevens also have player shooting 3-20 at times. its just basketball |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Feb 9, 2017 9:22:32 GMT -5
Biggest flag for me is that just about every player has gone backwards as a defender. For a supposedly defense first coach he is doing a terrible job. Offense is clicking but that is Jokic rather than Malone. has he ever called himself a defense first coach? i recently read that he hated that during and after his Sacramento days he got the rep of an 80's coach. he's a basketball coach, and wants to win. so now, with this team, he's an offensive coach. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Feb 9, 2017 9:25:04 GMT -5
we have the best offense in the league with a healthy squad. BEST OFFENSE IN THE LEAGUE
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Post by nuggetshipster on Feb 9, 2017 9:26:25 GMT -5
Its like people here expect us to blow out Atlanta at their home, with our injuries
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