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Post by GBG on Oct 16, 2024 11:49:54 GMT -5
oh wow, the humanity. I think I'm going to cry. rather than aggressively beg Bibi Milekowsky to end his genocidal starvation campaign, he could simply instruct his proxy state to accept a ceasefire in 30 days, just like he instructed his proxy state not to hit Iran's nuclear or oil facilities. but Biden doesn't want the genocide to end, he just doesn't want starving Palestinian children on voters timelines. it's bad "messaging". You have anything bad to say about Trump, Jimmy? |
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Post by JB on Oct 16, 2024 13:30:43 GMT -5
Biden and his party have done everything in their power to enable a Trump win so I'll be focusing my criticism on Donald very shortly, don't you worry.
in the mean time, it's not Trump that prompted a holocaust survivor to say this:
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Post by GBG on Oct 16, 2024 14:16:28 GMT -5
Biden and his party have done everything in their power to enable a Trump win so I'll be focusing my criticism on Donald very shortly, don't you worry. in the mean time, it's not Trump that prompted a holocaust survivor to say this: Aaron Mate’s father is not justifying the inevitable victory of Donald Trump, which you seem to be unwittingly promoting. It was the GOP’s Tom Cotton and Nikki Haley who have said to Israel “Finish the job”, and “I give a blank check to Israel”. If you don’t understand how much worse Trump will be than Harris on the Palestinians, then you just aren’t very smart. What does “finish the job” sound like, JB? It reminds me of “the final solution”. Trump’s GOP are Nazis in business suits, yet you are so vapid and unserious that you vote for Jill Stein. Wonderful. |
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Post by JB on Oct 16, 2024 14:22:24 GMT -5
you can insult my intelligence to your hearts content, I (and many others) have my redlines just like Biden but unlike genocide Joe, I'm not just cynically paying lip service to establish plausible deniability.
to modify a popular phrase, you can't have your genocide and vote blue, no matter who.
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Post by GBG on Oct 16, 2024 14:39:56 GMT -5
you can insult my intelligence to your hearts content, I (and many others) have my redlines just like Biden but unlike genocide Joe, I'm not just cynically paying lip service to establish plausible deniability. to modify a popular phrase, you can't have your genocide and vote blue, no matter who. Just completely out to lunch. Biden isn’t the next president, it’s either Trump or Harris. Trump will give Netanyahu Carte Blanche to “finish the job”, just like Miriam Adelson, Tom Cotton, and APAIC want. Harris might be different and give Palestinians a chance, a sliver of possibility. But you conflate a Harris presidency with a Biden presidency. They are two different people, and Harris has spoken about Gaza suffering far more than Biden has. Yet she’s VP and can’t say what she’d really do. Yet you conflate the two. As out to lunch as it gets. |
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Post by GBG on Oct 16, 2024 19:49:19 GMT -5
To any international readers here, as well as Americans here, it’s time to explain what’s happening in this country. We have a conventional political party, positioning itself as sane and centrist, but with certain policies that reflect groupthink that hurts America and some ordinary Americans even though it has also done a lot of good, now led by sane leadership that honors our Constitution and not much different from the conventional political parties of the 20th and first part of the 21st century, until 2016. We have on the other side, Trump’s Republican Party. This party used to be literally a Grand Old Party that bears its name, starting from the age of Abraham Lincoln. I rarely agreed with Republican leaders of my younger life in the 20th century, but found them mostly smart and to be respected. Trump’s Republican Party is not that. It’s not even a political party in the traditional meaning of that. The GOP under Trump is a money-raising machine for a fascist movement, that fascist movement being known as MAGA. It’s based on white power, a lot of misogyny, and hate and disinformation. It’s nihilistic and seeks power for power’s sake. It’s leader uses exactly the same rhetoric as Hitler’s movement of early 1930’s. What the next several weeks will be is a contest as to whether America accepts or rejects fascism. MAGA is Fascism. For anyone to equivocate about that or to create a false equivalency between Dems and GOPers, or Harris and Trump, based on any one issue (whether Middle East policy, border policy, whatever) or a collection of issues shows a basic misunderstanding of what we are up against. It’s American Fascism that has to be roundly rejected by decent Americans of all political persuasions. Read this short essay by one of my favorite progressive writers… the.ink/p/call-it-by-its-name |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 17, 2024 1:02:34 GMT -5
Dave Bautista says Trump is a wuss. His former/current professions include lifeguard, bouncer, body builder, professional wrestler, professional mixed martial artist, and action movie star so nobody can possibly question his macho credentials.
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Post by GBG on Oct 17, 2024 13:59:30 GMT -5
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Post by Ring on Oct 17, 2024 14:04:14 GMT -5
Trump is winning the election. It's a done deal. Nothing we can do about it at this point. No matter who was in office, there would be major issues.
Trump sucks but Biden/Harris suck also and the people who pretend like the last 4 years have been great are just delusional. Can't just ignore the major increase in border crossings under their watch. Can't ignore inflation (both Trump/Biden helped cause this). Can't ignore the fact that any gray area is no longer allowed and you have to either be 100% pro Trump or 100% anti Trump.
The current state of politics in the US is a f***ing joke. Both parties and their ideologies are extremely outdated and aren't relevant to a majority of the country. It is what it is. Just blows my f***ing mind that these are the 2 candidates we have to pick from.
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Post by jimijam28 on Oct 17, 2024 14:11:17 GMT -5
I am sure u said the same thing in 2020 about trump winning,...
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Post by GBG on Oct 17, 2024 14:24:46 GMT -5
Trump is winning the election. It's a done deal. Nothing we can do about it at this point. No matter who was in office, there would be major issues. Trump sucks but Biden/Harris suck also and the people who pretend like the last 4 years have been great are just delusional. Can't just ignore the major increase in border crossings under their watch. Can't ignore inflation (both Trump/Biden helped cause this). Can't ignore the fact that any gray area is no longer allowed and you have to either be 100% pro Trump or 100% anti Trump. The current state of politics in the US is a f***ing joke. Both parties and their ideologies are extremely outdated and aren't relevant to a majority of the country. It is what it is. Just blows my f***ing mind that these are the 2 candidates we have to pick from. Harris will be a really surprisingly good president if the Electoral College goes in her favor. It is not a “done deal”, lol. There is no question she will win the National popular vote by a margin of millions, the only question being the closest states like PA, GA, AZ, NV, MI etc. Don’t believe the polls even though they are extremely close. State polls are notoriously error prone, as we all remember the “red wave” those polls pointed to in 2022. The final 10 days will determine the outcome, and Harris has more $$$ raised, a better organization, a better ground game for Election Day, and she isn’t a fascist. The past four years have been a challenge, but the economy is really quite good with just 4% unemployment and inflation the past year at 2.5%. We are not in a recession and real GDP growth at around 3%. The stock market has been making new highs almost daily recently. The backdrop favors the incumbent as Allan Lichtman has explained thoroughly. Most of the problems perceived in the first half of Biden’s presidency was a result of Covid. The surge in inflation was not of Trump/Biden’s doing. It was a global phenomenon where inflation spiked above 10% in all the major western countries, with the U.S. having the least inflation spike among them. The supply chains were choked, and combined with revenge spending by consumers, post-2020, this caused worldwide inflation. Congress sent stimulus checks during Covid, and that played a role in demand surging and supply shrinking, and prices surged as a result. But oligopolistic retail grocery and food industry gouged consumers too, because they could. They did the price gouging under cover of inflationary pressures. Clever of them. I will say our politics is corrupted as too much money is in our politics, and politicians and their hangers-on are motivated by what’s in it for them. Not by public service to improve people’s lives. If you want the latter, vote for real public servants, not greedy malignant narcissists who have only themselves in mind. Harris will win if enough battleground voters come to that realization in the last ten days. |
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Post by jimijam28 on Oct 17, 2024 14:27:33 GMT -5
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Post by GBG on Oct 17, 2024 14:32:19 GMT -5
No question Polymarket is used as a narrative shaping device. We’ve seen that happen here, lol. The big moneyed Trumpers such as Peter Thiel and Elon Musk can throw the odds into Trump’s favor with outsized bets moving the odds. I’m surprised people fall for it, but they do. Just like people fall for Trump’s BS narrratives. |
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Post by Ring on Oct 17, 2024 14:44:02 GMT -5
Trump is leading almost all of the swing state polls. Will he win all of them? No. Will he win a good chunk of them? Yes.
Still have no idea why Harris didn't pick Shapiro. Probably afraid of being over shadowed. But if that costs her PA, it'll play a huge role in costing her the election.
Polymarket is whatever. But everything is trending Trumps way. It is what it is. Can't be blind to it.
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Post by famicommander on Oct 17, 2024 15:02:25 GMT -5
Happy to see Lonzo Ball return and play well last night. I mean, I'm happy for Lonzo, but mostly I'm happy because he had the exact same surgery as Gabe Landeskog did about two months before. So if all goes well we should see the captain back in action before the New Year for the Avs.
I wonder if he can play goalie? lol
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Oct 17, 2024 15:16:27 GMT -5
I'm happy for Lonzo partly just because any time a guy can overcome something like that (see also Jamal's ACL) it's inspirational.
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Post by GBG on Oct 17, 2024 15:16:50 GMT -5
Trump is leading almost all of the swing state polls. Will he win all of them? No. Will he win a good chunk of them? Yes. Still have no idea why Harris didn't pick Shapiro. Probably afraid of being over shadowed. But if that costs her PA, it'll play a huge role in costing her the election. Polymarket is whatever. But everything is trending Trumps way. It is what it is. Can't be blind to it. I guess you didn’t read that swing state polls are unreliable and error prone. Even with that, none are outside the margin of error, so your saying “Trump is leading” almost all swing state polls simply isn’t true. |
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Post by Ring on Oct 17, 2024 15:55:37 GMT -5
Trump is leading almost all of the swing state polls. Will he win all of them? No. Will he win a good chunk of them? Yes. Still have no idea why Harris didn't pick Shapiro. Probably afraid of being over shadowed. But if that costs her PA, it'll play a huge role in costing her the election. Polymarket is whatever. But everything is trending Trumps way. It is what it is. Can't be blind to it. I guess you didn’t read that swing state polls are unreliable and error prone. Even with that, none are outside the margin of error, so your saying “Trump is leading” almost all swing state polls simply isn’t true. They aren't outside the margin of error but probability tells us that he's going to win some of those states. The polls are typically always going to skew towards the liberal candidate because people are embarrassed to say they support Trump. But when it's just them and the privacy of a polling booth, there's no one to answer to. At this point I'd be shocked if Harris wins. All the momentum is with Trump. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 17, 2024 15:57:32 GMT -5
Harris is going to win easily. If you drop party affiliated polls from the averages Harris is up in all the swing states except Arizona and Nevada, which are basically tied.
Rasmussen and Trafalgar and the like are flooding the market with way more R-affiliated polls than we're getting from D-affiliated pollsters.
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Post by GBG on Oct 17, 2024 16:00:51 GMT -5
I guess you didn’t read that swing state polls are unreliable and error prone. Even with that, none are outside the margin of error, so your saying “Trump is leading” almost all swing state polls simply isn’t true. They aren't outside the margin of error but probability tells us that he's going to win some of those states. The polls are typically always going to skew towards the liberal candidate because people are embarrassed to say they support Trump. But when it's just them and the privacy of a polling booth, there's no one to answer to. At this point I'd be shocked if Harris wins. All the momentum is with Trump. As far as “shy Trump voters” is concerned, pollsters have already corrected for that in their polling methodology. Some think they have overcorrected, because there no shyness in saying to a pollster anymore that you’re for Trump. In fact, I’ve heard the reverse could be true. That Trump people coalesce with their like-minded friends and are afraid to admit that they are tired of him and might join other Republicans who’ve endorsed Harris. So, in fact, “Shy Harris” voters might be a thing among the Trump supporting cohort. Certainly, you’d have to agree that “Shy Trump” voters don’t exist among the Harris cohort. Pollsters make modeling mistakes all the time. And this race will be decided anyway on turnout percentages among likely voters, not on polling results. If 70% of Harris voters actually vote (either by early ballots or on Election Day), and 65% of Trump voters bother to turn out, then the margin of error polling numbers are blown out of the water, and a tied polling result is actually a 2.5 percentage point win by Harris! |
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