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Post by jimijam28 on Oct 17, 2024 16:06:37 GMT -5
Polls showing he getting kill with white women voters up only 1% .. worst for a reb. He won by 7 vs Biden
Harris is doing a little better with black voters,
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Post by GBG on Oct 17, 2024 16:14:12 GMT -5
Harris is going to win easily. If you drop party affiliated polls from the averages Harris is up in all the swing states except Arizona and Nevada, which are basically tied. Rasmussen and Trafalgar and the like are flooding the market with way more R-affiliated polls than we're getting from D-affiliated pollsters. Correct. You are seeing this race for what it is, in terms of polling shaping narratives. Those two pollsters you mentioned are notoriously partisan for GOP, and have made grievous errors on state polls before. They should not be blended into any āpolling averagesā, but they have been, making some people such as Ring think Trump is winning and has the momentum. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 17, 2024 16:19:23 GMT -5
I think a lot of this is because Trump intends to challenge the election results again and he needs his idiotic base to believe it was stolen from him.
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Post by GBG on Oct 17, 2024 16:21:25 GMT -5
When Harris wins by 8 million popular votes nationally, and gets 300+ electoral votes, Trump is gonna scream RIGGED once again, because polls were so tight and even trending toward Trump three weeks before the election. He will even point out Polymarket. Itās all bullshit, but itās the gambit he will use to sow doubt, division, and chaos once again.
Given thatās who Trump is, I donāt understand why anyone would vote for someone like that in the first place. But this is 2024 and Iām old.
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Post by Ring on Oct 18, 2024 8:32:18 GMT -5
If/when Trump wins, I expect Fami/GBG to come on here and say that they were wrong. Don't need any commentary other than "I was wrong."
I will do the same (and be celebrating) if I am wrong but I just really feel like you guys are using wishful thinking at this point. Over the past 4-5 weeks everything has trended back in Trumps favor.
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Post by Ring on Oct 18, 2024 8:39:47 GMT -5
I think a lot of this is because Trump intends to challenge the election results again and he needs his idiotic base to believe it was stolen from him. He absolutely, 100% will do this if he loses which will just divide the country more. Unfortunately I think we're at a point where it's basically impossible to unite the country. Politics have become too weaponized and again, there is no gray area anymore. You have to be either black or white on every single topic. No nuance is allowed, and you're judged for having differing opinions. Society sucks |
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Post by GBG on Oct 18, 2024 9:50:13 GMT -5
If/when Trump wins, I expect Fami/GBG to come on here and say that they were wrong. Don't need any commentary other than "I was wrong." I will do the same (and be celebrating) if I am wrong but I just really feel like you guys are using wishful thinking at this point. Over the past 4-5 weeks everything has trended back in Trumps favor. I will 100% admit to disappointment in my fellow citizens in the swing states who handed Trump a second term. I will say I was wrong in trusting the judgment, knowledge, and character would win out in the end. But I will NOT say the election was rigged, lacking any evidence that it was. The difference between us and Trumpās base is that they are conspiracy theory election denying nuts and cranks. Free and fair elections are a hallmark of the American political system, and it has never been tampered with to the point of altering election outcomes. In fact, the only tampering that has ever taken place for a presidential election was by Trump and his campaign people in trying to overturn the will of the people in 2020, including trying to assign fake slates of electors. If Trump loses, he will go to trial on felony charges in Washington DC on conspiracy to defraud the United States, and despite SCOTUS changing immunity standards for any future POTUS to a presumption of full immunity for āofficial actsā, I think Trump will be found guilty on Jack Smithās case that Trump did it not as an official act as president, but as a private act as a candidate for re-election. He will go to prison or have to wear an ankle bracelet for a very long time. Btw, isnāt it fād up that we have a SCOTUS, thanks to Trump, with a supermajority of Justices who think itās appropriate to grant a citizen holding the position of POTUS full immunity from criminal prosecution for āofficial actsā as president?! That is crazy, beyond the pale, unitary executive theory stuff. In short, granting a president powers of a dictator! A future president could order political prosecutions of opponents, even order their assassination, take bribes, or bribe other officials or lobbyists or corporate special interests. Let your imagination run wild as to what an unchecked president could do in the future. And then thank Donald J. Trump for making this sham of a SCOTUS ruling possible, just as he made undoing Roe V Wade possible by getting far right ideologues to join long time corrupt conservatives such as Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas to bastardize our executive branch of government. If Trump is president again, expect more of the same and worse. |
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Post by Ring on Oct 18, 2024 10:00:09 GMT -5
If/when Trump wins, I expect Fami/GBG to come on here and say that they were wrong. Don't need any commentary other than "I was wrong." I will do the same (and be celebrating) if I am wrong but I just really feel like you guys are using wishful thinking at this point. Over the past 4-5 weeks everything has trended back in Trumps favor. I will 100% admit to disappointment in my fellow citizens in the swing states who handed Trump a second term. I will say I was wrong in trusting the judgment, knowledge, and character would win out in the end. But I will NOT say the election was rigged, lacking any evidence that it was. The difference between us and Trumpās base is that they are conspiracy theory election denying nuts and cranks. Free and fair elections are a hallmark of the American political system, and it has never been tampered with to the point of altering election outcomes. In fact, the only tampering that has ever taken place for a presidential election was by Trump and his campaign people in trying to overturn the will of the people in 2020, including trying to assign fake slates of electors. If Trump loses, he will go to trial on felony charges in Washington DC on conspiracy to defraud the United States, and despite SCOTUS changing immunity standards for any future POTUS to a presumption of full immunity for āofficial actsā, I think Trump will be found guilty on Jack Smithās case that Trump did it not as an official act as president, but as a private act as a candidate for re-election. He will go to prison or have to wear an ankle bracelet for a very long time. GBG you'd be very surprised at how many times a week I have to correct people who just parrot the idiotic talking points they here on Fox News and see on Facebook. If I had a dollar for every time someone said the words "economy, border, and inflation" I'd be a millionaire. But when you tell those people that Trump actually doesn't care about the border, killed a bipartisan border bill just to help him get votes in November because he can use it as a talking point, they say the bill must have been bad. It's an absolute joke. Same thing with the economy. I tell people all the time Trump added more to the deficit than Biden and they just say "yeah but look how much stuff costs now." It's a losing battle. Most people are stupid and stubborn. |
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Post by GBG on Oct 18, 2024 10:04:14 GMT -5
I will 100% admit to disappointment in my fellow citizens in the swing states who handed Trump a second term. I will say I was wrong in trusting the judgment, knowledge, and character would win out in the end. But I will NOT say the election was rigged, lacking any evidence that it was. The difference between us and Trumpās base is that they are conspiracy theory election denying nuts and cranks. Free and fair elections are a hallmark of the American political system, and it has never been tampered with to the point of altering election outcomes. In fact, the only tampering that has ever taken place for a presidential election was by Trump and his campaign people in trying to overturn the will of the people in 2020, including trying to assign fake slates of electors. If Trump loses, he will go to trial on felony charges in Washington DC on conspiracy to defraud the United States, and despite SCOTUS changing immunity standards for any future POTUS to a presumption of full immunity for āofficial actsā, I think Trump will be found guilty on Jack Smithās case that Trump did it not as an official act as president, but as a private act as a candidate for re-election. He will go to prison or have to wear an ankle bracelet for a very long time. GBG you'd be very surprised at how many times a week I have to correct people who just parrot the idiotic talking points they here on Fox News and see on Facebook. If I had a dollar for every time someone said the words "economy, border, and inflation" I'd be a millionaire. But when you tell those people that Trump actually doesn't care about the border, killed a bipartisan border bill just to help him get votes in November because he can use it as a talking point, they say the bill must have been bad. It's an absolute joke. Same thing with the economy. I tell people all the time Trump added more to the deficit than Biden and they just say "yeah but look how much stuff costs now." It's a losing battle. Most people are stupid and stubborn. You got that right, and they also donāt realize the second paragraph I just added to my above comment (you might have missed it) about SCOTUS and presidential immunity. We live in an idiocracy and if enough idiots vote for Trump in the swing states, we will get the government we deserve. |
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Post by Ring on Oct 18, 2024 11:21:29 GMT -5
GBG you'd be very surprised at how many times a week I have to correct people who just parrot the idiotic talking points they here on Fox News and see on Facebook. If I had a dollar for every time someone said the words "economy, border, and inflation" I'd be a millionaire. But when you tell those people that Trump actually doesn't care about the border, killed a bipartisan border bill just to help him get votes in November because he can use it as a talking point, they say the bill must have been bad. It's an absolute joke. Same thing with the economy. I tell people all the time Trump added more to the deficit than Biden and they just say "yeah but look how much stuff costs now." It's a losing battle. Most people are stupid and stubborn. You got that right, and they also donāt realize the second paragraph I just added to my above comment (you might have missed it) about SCOTUS and presidential immunity. We live in an idiocracy and if enough idiots vote for Trump in the swing states, we will get the government we deserve. I think it's something many people overlook but one of the worst parts of Trumps run was the changes to the SCOTUS and the trickle down effect that had on other major issues. Just a complete shame. If Trump wasn't in office and those changes weren't made, millions of Americans would be better off. Just a horrible timing thing. |
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Post by GBG on Oct 18, 2024 12:17:48 GMT -5
You got that right, and they also donāt realize the second paragraph I just added to my above comment (you might have missed it) about SCOTUS and presidential immunity. We live in an idiocracy and if enough idiots vote for Trump in the swing states, we will get the government we deserve. I think it's something many people overlook but one of the worst parts of Trumps run was the changes to the SCOTUS and the trickle down effect that had on other major issues. Just a complete shame. If Trump wasn't in office and those changes weren't made, millions of Americans would be better off. Just a horrible timing thing. RBG should have retired before she got too old and died. We had a big argument about Trump back in 2020, if you recall. SCOTUS makeup was among my biggest concerns, and my fears were realized. |
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Post by JB on Oct 18, 2024 14:52:06 GMT -5
Here, Here.
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Post by GBG on Oct 18, 2024 16:33:56 GMT -5
Mehdi Hasan is supporting and voting for Harris.You should too. Hopefully you and they are more than one issue voters and will come around. |
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Post by jimijam28 on Oct 18, 2024 16:37:50 GMT -5
If we lose it's because of border and inflation issue , not Gaza
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Post by GBG on Oct 18, 2024 16:40:04 GMT -5
If we lose it's because of border and inflation issue , not Gaza If we lose itās because too many swing state voters are oblivious to the fascist threat of Trump, and have been exposed to demagoguery so much about border and inflation that theyāve lost their common sense. |
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Post by jimijam28 on Oct 18, 2024 20:15:58 GMT -5
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Post by duh88 on Oct 18, 2024 21:21:28 GMT -5
15% of the mail-in ballots in Maricopa county were printed on fake paper. It's in the Tesla Laboratories report. 3 paper-stocks were approved - literally 11 paper-stocks were identified (loL) - the fake paper accounted for 15% of mail-in ballots. That was ONE county. 2020 was stolen.
In regard to 2024 -
There's a stat better than any poll, and that's early voting. Mail ballot requests amongst Democrats are down basically by 40% or more across the board. Early voting, which is also 'bread and butter' for Dems is down, in regard to comparison trends to 2020. Dems are leading on both - but not near the trendlines of 2020 - and the absolute numbers (number of votes banked) is down considerably. This time, four years ago, the Dems already had millions of votes in the bank (this didn't include fraud). That isn't happening now.
Kamala is detestable. Billions sent to Israel to genocide Palestinians (and Lebanese) and then millions sent to Lebanon to rebuild it after Israel destroys it -- with $750 "loans" offered to victims of Helene in Carolina and Georgia - all while touting Dick Cheney's endorsement.
I'm friends with plenty of Kamala supporters, I love everyone here, but for the life of me:
I don't know why anyone is voting for this woman, especially after the sequence of events we witnessed her take with Helene.
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Post by jimijam28 on Oct 18, 2024 21:28:43 GMT -5
the states got what they wanted after Helene = stop with the bs about fema running out of money, etc. We all know that the $750 was quick money for food,hotel,etc. that not all of the money they will get later for their homes. Why does maga always have too make every thing political- (just like the cdc before) just let them do their jobs.
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Post by duh88 on Oct 18, 2024 21:36:10 GMT -5
the states got what they wanted after Helene = stop with the bs about fema running out of money, etc. We all know that the $750 was quick money for food,hotel,etc. that not all of the money they will get later for their homes. Why does maga always have too make every thing political- (just like the cdc before) just let them do their jobs. Jimi - $157 million goes to Lebanon after Israel uses billions of our money to bomb it. At the same time, the response to Helene was terribly slow and many died as a result. The optics confirm peopleās biggest suspicion that the govt spends money to create wars, where exchanged money benefits their coffers, while the American people suffer (and are met with derision if we complain). Kamala literally confirmed all of this within a matter of days. |
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Post by jimijam28 on Oct 18, 2024 21:53:36 GMT -5
the states got what they wanted after Helene = stop with the bs about fema running out of money, etc. We all know that the $750 was quick money for food,hotel,etc. that not all of the money they will get later for their homes. Why does maga always have too make every thing political- (just like the cdc before) just let them do their jobs. Jimi - $157 million goes to Lebanon after Israel uses billions of our money to bomb it. At the same time, the response to Helene was terribly slow and many died as a result. The optics confirm peopleās biggest suspicion that the govt spends money to create wars, where exchanged money benefits their coffers, while the American people suffer (and are met with derision if we complain). Kamala literally confirmed all of this within a matter of days. middle east is other subject - your throwing bs about Helene response - just like the bs from trump and vance saying that fema was out of money- and was begin use for the migrants. These people are working hard (fema) No governor (fl,GA,NC) have complain because they are getting the help thy need. |
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