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Post by pie on Oct 1, 2024 21:51:34 GMT -5
Very impressed with JD Vance ...he easily won the debate and definitely gave Trump a boost
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Post by jimijam28 on Oct 1, 2024 22:33:03 GMT -5
lol
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Post by duh88 on Oct 2, 2024 4:04:48 GMT -5
I think JB's point is that the current events will "turn out" green-voters who normally don't vote - that's his argument for why 5% can be reached on their front.
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Post by pie on Oct 2, 2024 5:58:29 GMT -5
I think JB's point is that the current events will "turn out" green-voters who normally don't vote - that's his argument for why 5% can be reached on their front. Jill Stein? In an ideal world, other parties beyond the two-party monopoly should have a chance at not only the Presidency but Congress/Senate. However, the mainstream media will never allow anyone not named a Democrat/Republican on a debate stage. Its sad but what can you do ... |
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Post by Ring on Oct 2, 2024 8:58:45 GMT -5
Very impressed with JD Vance ...he easily won the debate and definitely gave Trump a boost Would be cool if the two guys last night were the ones running for President. Instead we get two embarrassments. Thankfully all of the BS should be over for the 2028 election. Key word being should. |
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Post by jimijam28 on Oct 2, 2024 9:34:23 GMT -5
What was so great about jd Vance? He blew it with the last question, could not answer a simple question. The dude just looks like a jerk back up my his project 2025 buddies. He also lied about trump saving Obama care , he tip toe around abortion. This dude should never be in the white house with Grandpa trump.
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Post by JB on Oct 2, 2024 9:42:52 GMT -5
@19:30
"a senior official told me earlier this week that people inside the government are stunned and feel we are enabling a nihilistic regional murder spree".
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Post by Ring on Oct 2, 2024 9:47:14 GMT -5
What was so great about jd Vance? He blew it with the last question, could not answer a simple question. The dude just looks like a jerk back up my his project 2025 buddies. He also lied about trump saving Obama care , he tip toe around abortion. This dude should never be in the white house with Grandpa trump. He didn't act like a jerkoff on stage, insulting his opponent every single question. Last night was such a breath of fresh air. Two candidates being civil, talking about policy, not insulting each other, agreeing on things, etc. |
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Post by GBG on Oct 2, 2024 9:56:48 GMT -5
What was so great about jd Vance? He blew it with the last question, could not answer a simple question. The dude just looks like a jerk back up my his project 2025 buddies. He also lied about trump saving Obama care , he tip toe around abortion. This dude should never be in the white house with Grandpa trump. He didn't act like a jerkoff on stage, insulting his opponent every single question. Last night was such a breath of fresh air. Two candidates being civil, talking about policy, not insulting each other, agreeing on things, etc. You were easily fooled. The gameplan for Vance was to be civil, because heās been an embarrassment since being picked as running mate. Heās not a civil guy, heās a lying sociopath. Watch the Maddow A block link I provided the other day and relink below. Vance is a Peter Thiel plant to upend democracy in the United States. See who heās really aligned with, Curtis Yarvin, who says Americans need a dictator and need to get over their dictator phobia. Learn something about Vance before saying he should be the one running for president. To prefer him over Harris is laughably and tragically wrongā¦. youtu.be/VeVhHNSe9Ks?si=oWNo53oIcbuA8_CM |
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Post by Ring on Oct 2, 2024 11:40:27 GMT -5
He didn't act like a jerkoff on stage, insulting his opponent every single question. Last night was such a breath of fresh air. Two candidates being civil, talking about policy, not insulting each other, agreeing on things, etc. You were easily fooled. The gameplan for Vance was to be civil, because heās been an embarrassment since being picked as running mate. Heās not a civil guy, heās a lying sociopath. Watch the Maddow A block link I provided the other day and relink below. Vance is a Peter Thiel plant to upend democracy in the United States. See who heās really aligned with, Curtis Yarvin, who says Americans need a dictator and need to get over their dictator phobia. Learn something about Vance before saying he should be the one running for president. To prefer him over Harris is laughably and tragically wrongā¦. youtu.be/VeVhHNSe9Ks?si=oWNo53oIcbuA8_CMI wasn't fooled at all. All politicians are liars and corrupt. Kamala Harris is a liar, and is corrupt as well. You're not breaking any news here. This is the problem with modern politics. If you are a Democrat you just hate everything Republican and vice versa. In your opinion, if you have conservative beliefs who should you vote for? |
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Post by GBG on Oct 2, 2024 12:05:18 GMT -5
You were easily fooled. The gameplan for Vance was to be civil, because heās been an embarrassment since being picked as running mate. Heās not a civil guy, heās a lying sociopath. Watch the Maddow A block link I provided the other day and relink below. Vance is a Peter Thiel plant to upend democracy in the United States. See who heās really aligned with, Curtis Yarvin, who says Americans need a dictator and need to get over their dictator phobia. Learn something about Vance before saying he should be the one running for president. To prefer him over Harris is laughably and tragically wrongā¦. youtu.be/VeVhHNSe9Ks?si=oWNo53oIcbuA8_CMI wasn't fooled at all. All politicians are liars and corrupt. Kamala Harris is a liar, and is corrupt as well. You're not breaking any news here. This is the problem with modern politics. If you are a Democrat you just hate everything Republican and vice versa. In your opinion, if you have conservative beliefs who should you vote for? This is bothsiderism. Itās easy to say āall politicians lieā, as it is pretty much true, but when we have one of the two candidates who is a pathological liar, covered up an affair with a porn star and got convicted of a felony due to it (now awaiting sentencing), and who promoted the āBIG LIEā about the 2020 election being stolen, had a plan with fake electors to upend a free and fair election, the degree of lying and likely criminality isnāt even comparable. Trump is running partly to kill the other felony cases against him, including the one related to Jan 6th. Congrats, though, you win the false equivalency award on NT. Who should conservatives vote for? I suggest the candidate that hundreds of conservatives who are NOT trying to win an election for themselves have endorsed. You know, the one who is trying to conserve our institutions and democracy itself and keep America what it has been for 248 years since the Declaration of Independence. That true conservative of our values is Kamala Harris. |
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Post by JB on Oct 2, 2024 12:15:35 GMT -5
this election is Caligula (crazy) vs Nero, who attained the throne by attaching his family to Claudius, and proceeded to coup him from office (sounds familiar). the expression "Nero fiddled as Rome burned" accurately describes the Biden Harris admin.
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Post by Ring on Oct 2, 2024 12:23:42 GMT -5
I wasn't fooled at all. All politicians are liars and corrupt. Kamala Harris is a liar, and is corrupt as well. You're not breaking any news here. This is the problem with modern politics. If you are a Democrat you just hate everything Republican and vice versa. In your opinion, if you have conservative beliefs who should you vote for? This is bothsiderism. Itās easy to say āall politicians lieā, as it is pretty much true, but when we have one of the two candidates who is a pathological liar, covered up an affair with a porn star and got convicted of a felony due to it (now awaiting sentencing), and who promoted the āBIG LIEā about the 2020 election being stolen, had a plan with fake electors to upend a free and fair election, the degree of lying and likely criminality isnāt even comparable. Trump is running partly to kill the other felony cases against him, including the one related to Jan 6th. Congrats, though, you win the false equivalency award on NT. Who should conservatives vote for? I suggest the candidate that hundreds of conservatives who are NOT trying to win an election for themselves have endorsed. You know, the one who is trying to conserve our institutions and democracy itself and keep America what it has been for 248 years since the Declaration of Independence. That true conservative of our values is Kamala Harris. I'm not a Trump guy lol. I have been very consistent, I don't want either candidate in office. I think they are both historically bad candidates. You clearly disagree with that and see Harris as a quality candidate. We can agree to disagree. The two party system is an extremely stupid concept because very few issues are black and white and you are basically forced to either pick one extreme or the other. What about liberals that have endorsed Trump? |
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Post by GBG on Oct 2, 2024 14:03:50 GMT -5
This is bothsiderism. Itās easy to say āall politicians lieā, as it is pretty much true, but when we have one of the two candidates who is a pathological liar, covered up an affair with a porn star and got convicted of a felony due to it (now awaiting sentencing), and who promoted the āBIG LIEā about the 2020 election being stolen, had a plan with fake electors to upend a free and fair election, the degree of lying and likely criminality isnāt even comparable. Trump is running partly to kill the other felony cases against him, including the one related to Jan 6th. Congrats, though, you win the false equivalency award on NT. Who should conservatives vote for? I suggest the candidate that hundreds of conservatives who are NOT trying to win an election for themselves have endorsed. You know, the one who is trying to conserve our institutions and democracy itself and keep America what it has been for 248 years since the Declaration of Independence. That true conservative of our values is Kamala Harris. I'm not a Trump guy lol. I have been very consistent, I don't want either candidate in office. I think they are both historically bad candidates. You clearly disagree with that and see Harris as a quality candidate. We can agree to disagree. The two party system is an extremely stupid concept because very few issues are black and white and you are basically forced to either pick one extreme or the other. What about liberals that have endorsed Trump? No true liberals have endorsed Trump, RFK Jr is a crank who has been all but disowned by his family, and is really a libertarian who backs what Israel is doing, if thatās even possible. His run for president was backed by Steve Bannon and Michael Flynn, which should tell you something. Tulsi Gabbard is a likely Russian backed disinformation agent who posed as liberal, but now is a Fox News regular Trump backer. She isnāt in Congress anymore and wants attention for herself, and got it by endorsing Trump. Elon Musk is a fascist child of Apartheid S. Africa, spreader of disinformation and conspiracy theories, and likely backs Trump as a way to keep taxes and regulations low. Heās never been a liberal, a self-described centrist who has been clearly an extreme right winger this year. By comparison, Harris has hundreds of endorsements, including GOP ex members of Congress and ex members of Trump Administration. This choice shouldnāt be hard. You hate our two party system, and I get that. You live in America, though, and should support the candidate who is least harmful to our Republic. You need to pick the ālesser of the evilsā, if thatās how you see it, and IMO thatās clearly Harris. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 2, 2024 14:06:22 GMT -5
RFK is not a libertarian. You don't even know what that word means.
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Post by JB on Oct 2, 2024 14:35:19 GMT -5
Ron Paul (actual libertarian) can often sound like Noam Chomsky on foreign policy. their motives are leagues apart, but the goal is essentially the same.
RFKjr has no concrete ideology because he is functionally insane. the one Palestinian he doesn't want immiserated and brutalized for all of eternity and speaks fondly of is Sirhan Sirhan, the man that (allegedly) killed his father.
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Post by famicommander on Oct 2, 2024 14:43:17 GMT -5
Ron Paul (actual libertarian) can often sound like Noam Chomsky on foreign policy. their motives are leagues apart, but the goal is the same. RFKjr has no concrete ideology because he is functionally insane. the one Palestinian he doesn't want immiserated and brutalized for all of eternity and speaks fondly of is Sirhan Sirhan, the man that (allegedly) killed his father. RFK endorsed Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton through the years. He supports the brutalization of Palestine, he hates trans people, he wants single payer healthcare, he wants an immigration crackdown, he opposes in vitro fertilization, he wants to break up vaguely defined unspecific "monopolies", etc. He's basically the same as Hillary Clinton (or even to her left) except he denies basic science (especially in the medical field). That libertarians have some views in common with him on foreign policy does not mean it's in any way appropriate to call RFK a libertarian. Especially when Palestine is a pretty clear indicator that they're not even that close on foreign policy. |
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Post by GBG on Oct 2, 2024 14:46:35 GMT -5
RFK is not a libertarian. You don't even know what that word means. Yeah, I know what it means, it means selfish conservatives who want weed legalized nationwide, taxes near zero, and no foreign wars. They are Isolationists. RFK Jr doesnāt fit it precisely since heās a staunch Israel war supporter, but heās a conspiracy theory crackpot. Honestly, I donāt think he fits into any box except narcissistic womanizer box, and that probably is why he felt comfortable to endorse Trump. Plus Trump would give him a job in his admin. I used to listen to his show on Sirius XM called Ring of Fire. It was about 15 years ago that I listened. He was an environmentalist progressive back then, but the brain damage from 14 year addiction to heroin finally caught up to him. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 2, 2024 15:00:26 GMT -5
RFK is not a libertarian. You don't even know what that word means. Yeah, I know what it means, it means selfish conservatives who want weed legalized nationwide, taxes near zero, and no foreign wars. They are Isolationists. RFK Jr doesnāt fit it precisely since heās a staunch Israel war supporter, but heās a conspiracy theory crackpot. Honestly, I donāt think he fits into any box except narcissistic womanizer box, and that probably is why he felt comfortable to endorse Trump. Plus Trump would give him a job in his admin. Libertarians are not isolationists, they are non-interventionists. They support free trade and free travel, not tariffs and immigration crackdowns. They are not conservatives at all. That some conservatives are so embarrassed by their own labels that they try to hide behind the libertarian label now is not an indictment of libertarianism itself but of conservative cowards. Libertarians support free trade. Conservatives are protectionist. Libertarians support free travel. Conservatives hate immigrants. Libertarians support non-interventionism. Conservatives love war. Libertarians support queer rights. Conservatives hate queer people. Libertarians support ending the drug war. Conservatives love the drug war. Libertarians support free speech. Conservatives ban books. Libertarians support separation of church and state. Conservatives support Christo-fascism. Libertarians support ending the death penalty. Conservatives love the death penalty. Libertarians support a demilitarization of the police. Conservatives militarized them to begin with and want more. Libertarians support women making their own health care decisions. Conservatives don't even want them to be able to divorce their abusive husbands, let alone get an abortion or in vitro. Libertarians support cutting taxes and spending drastically across the board. Conservatives support enriching their campaign donors at the expense of everyone else and never actually cutting spending. ever. |
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Post by scooter on Oct 2, 2024 16:32:34 GMT -5
You were easily fooled. The gameplan for Vance was to be civil, because heās been an embarrassment since being picked as running mate. Heās not a civil guy, heās a lying sociopath. Watch the Maddow A block link I provided the other day and relink below. Vance is a Peter Thiel plant to upend democracy in the United States. See who heās really aligned with, Curtis Yarvin, who says Americans need a dictator and need to get over their dictator phobia. Learn something about Vance before saying he should be the one running for president. To prefer him over Harris is laughably and tragically wrongā¦. youtu.be/VeVhHNSe9Ks?si=oWNo53oIcbuA8_CMI wasn't fooled at all. All politicians are liars and corrupt. Kamala Harris is a liar, and is corrupt as well. You're not breaking any news here. This is the problem with modern politics. If you are a Democrat you just hate everything Republican and vice versa. In your opinion, if you have conservative beliefs who should you vote for? āConservative beliefsā sounds like a reasonable POV when used with this level of vagueness and without any regard to any particular place and time. The question I always have is what US government policy agenda in 2025 does this hypothetical āconservative beliefsā person want and which party is closer when one factors the entirety of the policy agenda. The date and context are critically important in my estimation because my lifetime has seen an enormous change in the distribution of wealth in the US. If I had been a ridiculously precocious 3 year old, I would very much have understood it for someone to argue for changes in tax law to lower the top marginal rates (91% at the very top when I was born in 1960) based on an argument that continued US economic growth depended on lower rates freeing up capital for investment and domestic spending that would propel the economy, and that the huge WWII expenditures were well behind us, and that the postwar baby boom would provide a large workforce tax base making a continuation of very high marginal rates unnecessary. The government pursued that line of āconservativeā thinking and policy, lowering tax rates throughout the 1960ās. But the past 50 years have seen a massive concentration of wealth and a huge growth in the ranks of the working poor while the tax burden on wealthy Americans has been slashed. As far as I can tell, the 2024 Republican Party plan/appeal for the poor and lower middle class is not to adopt government policies to significantly lift them up economically and chip away at the wealth disparity (as the government did with programs like social security and the GI Bill and Medicare during the 1930ās to 60ās), but instead to rely on rhetoric of fearmongering and scapegoating about brown people. Iām just going to leave it at that as I donāt have time for a full some discussion of āconservativeā policy. Then there is the fact that Trump has no respect for US law, or historic presidential norms that have served us (and other democracies) well, or international alliances that have served us and our democratic allies well. Heās a scammer and scofflaw whose only real concern is his self-interest. Even those with āconservative beliefsā should recognize that Trump is very bad for the country and that our governmentās checks and balances would limit the power of a āmore liberal than one might likeā but mainstream President. |
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