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Post by TNF on Oct 1, 2024 11:55:54 GMT -5
I wish he'd get really into touching himself.
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Post by JB on Oct 1, 2024 12:43:49 GMT -5
so Israel has extended their genocidal onslaught to Lebanon, Iran has successfully launched 100 ballistic missiles at Tel Aviv and Jerusalem even though the US warned them in advance and a sea of tyrant proxy states of the US exist between Iran and Israel. any escalation from Israel will very likely result in Iran and their allies shutting down global oil shipping via the straight of hormuz, sending the economies around the planet into a tailspin.
things are spiralling out of control for the Joe Biden Kamala Harris admin, just as I predicted.
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Post by pie on Oct 1, 2024 13:55:30 GMT -5
so Israel has extended their genocidal onslaught to Lebanon, Iran has successfully launched 100 ballistic missiles at Tel Aviv and Jerusalem even though the US warned them in advance and a sea of tyrant proxy states of the US exist between Iran and Israel. any escalation from Israel will very likely result in Iran and their allies shutting down global oil shipping via the straight of hormuz, sending the economies around the planet into a tailspin. things are spiralling out of control for the Joe Biden Kamala Harris admin, just as I predicted. Trump 2024 ...save America and the world |
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Post by JB on Oct 1, 2024 13:59:29 GMT -5
do you deserve to win when you abdicate world leadership and let your out of control proxy state dictate policy, even though your opponent promises to be worse? a question for the philosophers I suppose
Stein/Ware 2024. the only sane option on offer.
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Post by GBG on Oct 1, 2024 14:38:39 GMT -5
do you deserve to win when you abdicate world leadership and let your out of control proxy state dictate policy, even though your opponent promises to be worse? a question for the philosophers I suppose Stein/Ware 2024. the only sane option on offer. Hey, JB, hate to break it to you, but Stein is not an option. She has exactly a 0.00% chance of winning in November, and I didn’t even have to check Polymarket betting site to know that. So you are throwing your vote away on the basis of one issue, though a pretty damning one for American hegemony. Your narrow focus on this issue could get Trump elected if you were in a swing state and 1,000 other voters got on their high horses to vote the same way, on the same issue, as you do. Also, I highly doubt the Middle East is about to turn into a quagmire with $200 oil anytime soon. As a matter of fact, the world is oversupplied by oil right now, so even $85 oil might be a stretch in a “Middle East on Fire” scenario. Today, oil spiked to $71 a barrel, up a whopping 4%. Fearmongering about this issue as a way to justify Stein over Harris is just short sighted, and actually seems like virtue signaling on your part. But you’ll sleep well at night anyway, I hope. |
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Post by jimijam28 on Oct 1, 2024 14:55:07 GMT -5
Stein .. Putin puppet
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Post by JB on Oct 1, 2024 14:58:16 GMT -5
in other words  30% of world oil passes through the straight. trillions of dollars annually, traded mostly in USD and cycled back into the western economies. it's the reason why a western settler-colony exists in the middle east in the first place (along with the medieval tyrants installed and propped up by the west). the Democrats have allowed a fascist war criminal to set the entire middle east on fire and Kamala promises more of the same. that's a pretty massive 'single issue' in my book. my hope is the Greens get enough support to secure federal funding for the next election. and the Democrats have all but assured they will |
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Post by JB on Oct 1, 2024 15:00:06 GMT -5
yeah, and the US govt is hiding that information because they lover her anti-genocide and anti-imperialist message so much. |
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Post by GBG on Oct 1, 2024 16:47:36 GMT -5
None of what you say, JB, implies anything about what Harris would do as POTUS. She’s VP, a position whose main role is to support POTUS and not publicly question his policies. We only have one President at a time, and Harris is in the impossible position of being a candidate and a sitting VP to a president who has been ineffective at reaching a ceasefire. What’s she supposed to do, say her boss is wrong and she will stand up to Israel and demand Palestinian rights and reparations? There is absolutely no way she can satisfy the likes of you, but I’ve heard enough hints from her to be fairly confident she will be to the left of Joe on foreign policy (and Israeli/Middle East policy specifically) once she takes the steering wheel in January. One thing I know for sure: Trump will blow up the Middle East “to smithereens”, or at least let Netanyahu do it.
If you REALLY cared about the plight of Palestinians, the fate of the Middle East and that of the world, you’d do all in your power to prevent Trump from being president NOW, instead of getting on your high horse and virtue signaling. This tells me you don’t really give a s**t, and just want to sound more “with it” than those of us voting for Harris. It’s copping out to vote for Stein.
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Post by JB on Oct 1, 2024 17:22:00 GMT -5
the Lancent -- and I'm old enough to remember they accurately estimated the Iraqi war death count, even though at the time chickenhawks like Christopher Hitchens howled at their illegitimacy-- is estimating that if you count the bodies that died under rubble and the seriously injured that will die, nearly 200,000 Palestinians have been butchered in the Gaza war. around 10% of the original population. and rather than haul Bibi Milekowsky (his real last name) to the ICC themselves, the Democrats have played defense every step of the way and are frantically re-arming their stockpiles so the messianic fascist Bibi Milekowsky can violently remake the Levant in his image.
I have seen scant evidence that either party will differentiate themselves on this issue in any real way. this election as far as I'm concerned is a referendum on genocide and the evolving crisis in Lebanon has settled the issue for me: Democrats deserve to lose. I mean no offense by this, but in 4 years more boomers will have shuffled off this mortal coil and concurrently, more young people that have been scarred for life by this unprecedented high-tech barbarity, will be of voting age. that with a strong Green party will be the impetus for change, I'm betting on.
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Post by GBG on Oct 1, 2024 19:32:08 GMT -5
the Lancent -- and I'm old enough to remember they accurately estimated the Iraqi war death count, even though at the time chickenhawks like Christopher Hitchens howled at their illegitimacy-- is estimating that if you count the bodies that died under rubble and the seriously injured that will die, nearly 200,000 Palestinians have been butchered in the Gaza war. around 10% of the original population. and rather than haul Bibi Milekowsky (his real last name) to the ICC themselves, the Democrats have played defense every step of the way and are frantically re-arming their stockpiles so the messianic fascist Bibi Milekowsky can violently remake the Levant in his image. I have seen scant evidence that either party will differentiate themselves on this issue in any real way. this election as far as I'm concerned is a referendum on genocide and the evolving crisis in Lebanon has settled the issue for me: Democrats deserve to lose. I mean no offense by this, but in 4 years more boomers will have shuffled off this mortal coil and concurrently, more young people that have been scarred for life by this unprecedented high-tech barbarity, will be of voting age. that with a strong Green party will be the impetus for change, I'm betting on. You strike me as quite naive about politics. 1) You say “Democrats deserve to lose”. Do you think they deserve to lose more than Trump’s version of the GOP? Why? Can you prove a counterfactual and tell me what would be going on in the Middle East, Ukraine, Sudan, Yemen, and elsewhere if Trump had been president these past four years? No you can’t. 2) Your argument for the Green Party is a fever dream. A pipe dream. No way will Greens be the third major party in the U.S. Not in a post Citizens United America, where money rules over voter influence with billionaires and corporations able to manipulate speech through donations and, increasingly, AI. The tech bros in SV are on a campaign to do just that. Watch the Rachel Maddow block on JD Vance right now, and see what and who he stands for. It might frighten you back to common sense. I hope we get a third party that works, but it’s far more likely to be a No Labels or Third Way centrist party, with Dems and GOP increasingly representing left and right extremes. That’s because that’s where the corporate and billionaire money would go. It won’t go to a Green movement, that’s for sure. youtu.be/VeVhHNSe9Ks?si=M_TZC6SjKjHSgBsx |
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Post by JB on Oct 1, 2024 20:29:30 GMT -5
the difference between Trump and the Democrats is the former makes no pretense of upholding a "rules based order" while pursuing a policy of anarchy/neocon madness and endless bloodshed. the Democrats will not be pushed left unless they pay an (electoral) price for their current actions. 5% of the vote will secure the Greens federal funding. you have to start somewhere and I'm a big fan of Dr. Jill Stein and Dr. Butch Ware despite the nonstop deluge of DNC smears directed towards them. the Greens are guaranteed to have a base of Arab/Muslims who will vote for the Greens in overwhelming number. it's a shame they're strategically placed in many swing states. we just need a few million self-described progressives to vote their conscience.  |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 1, 2024 20:41:47 GMT -5
Last time she ran she got 1.07% of the vote. The time before that she got 0.4% of the vote. The Greens got 0.26% of the vote in 2020.
Vote for whomever you want, but you're absolutely delusional if you thin Stein is pulling 5% of the vote this year. Cornel West and Chase Oliver are going to cut into any antiwar swell that might form against Harris/Trump. And despite being a warmongering asshat who technically withdrew from the race, RFK Jr is still on a lot of ballots and still has supporters for some reason.
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Post by JB on Oct 1, 2024 20:50:51 GMT -5
libertarian cranks live in their own universe and West doesn't have ballot access in 35 states and his party hopping turned him off to any potential voter. he's getting less votes than Ye2020
there was no ongoing genocide and destruction of a major Arab capital during the 2020 race motivating progressives and young people. Muslims and Arabs voted in their majority for the Dems in 2020 and that sure as hell isn't happening now. that was a different era
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Post by famicommander on Oct 1, 2024 21:07:55 GMT -5
libertarian cranks live in their own universe and West doesn't have ballot access in 35 states and his party hopping turned him off to any potential voter. he's getting less votes than Ye2020 there was no ongoing genocide and destruction of a major Arab capital during the 2020 race motivating progressives and young people. Muslims and Arabs voted in their majority for the Dems in 2020 and that sure as hell isn't happening now. that was a different era If you think the majority of the Muslim vote is going Green you have no right to accuse ANYBODY of living in their own universe. Stein ain't pulling 5X more support than she ever has in a national election before. No matter how much people don't like Harris she'll never be as unpopular as Hillary or Biden. |
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Post by JB on Oct 1, 2024 21:12:36 GMT -5
libertarian cranks live in their own universe and West doesn't have ballot access in 35 states and his party hopping turned him off to any potential voter. he's getting less votes than Ye2020 there was no ongoing genocide and destruction of a major Arab capital during the 2020 race motivating progressives and young people. Muslims and Arabs voted in their majority for the Dems in 2020 and that sure as hell isn't happening now. that was a different era If you think the majority of the Muslim vote is going Green you have no right to accuse ANYBODY of living in their own universe. Stein ain't pulling 5X more support than she ever has in a national election before. No matter how much people don't like Harris she'll never be as unpopular as Hillary or Biden. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 1, 2024 21:19:30 GMT -5
Third party candidates are always over-tracked in polls and you just linked to a singular poll that says she's getting 40% of Muslim support in one state (Michigan, which is her best result). That's not a majority of the Muslim vote. |
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Post by JB on Oct 1, 2024 21:22:23 GMT -5
it was a CAIR poll focusing on swing states.
Dr. Stein leading Harris among Muslims in Arizona (35%) Michigan (40%) and Wisconsin (44%) is highly significant and that discontent is only going to grow from now to the election.
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Post by famicommander on Oct 1, 2024 21:25:30 GMT -5
Call me on election day when Stein and Oliver combined don't even get 4%, much less the 5% you're dreaming of for Stein.
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Post by GBG on Oct 1, 2024 21:25:58 GMT -5
No way all the other candidates combined will get 5% of the national vote, let alone the Green Party.
I think Trump and Harris will combine for 97-98% of the votes.
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