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Post by famicommander on Sept 12, 2024 13:40:05 GMT -5
"Who won the debate" polls
CNN Harris - 63% Trump - 37%
Reuters/Ipsos Harris - 53% Trump - 24% nobody - 23%
YouGov Harris - 54% Trump - 31% not sure - 14%
Leger/New York Post Harris - 51% Trump - 29% not sure/nobody - 21%
BluePrint (D affiliated) Harris - 56% Trump - 28%
Trafalgar (R affiliated) Harris - 55% Trump - 43% tie - 2%
SoCal Strategies (R affiliated) Harris - 42% Trump - 27% didn't watch - 20%
Hmm, I don't seem to hear anybody talking about that Ukraine soundbite
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Post by GBG on Sept 12, 2024 14:31:23 GMT -5
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Post by jimijam28 on Sept 12, 2024 15:05:56 GMT -5
Trump has a new gf , wack job Laura Loomer
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Post by JB on Sept 12, 2024 15:28:12 GMT -5
he really is. I agree with every word Kyle said here
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Post by GBG on Sept 12, 2024 16:31:46 GMT -5
he really is. I agree with every word Kyle said here Jill Stein is not a viable candidate, and very possibly received help from Putin in 2016 to siphon off votes from Hillary. But you go ahead and vote for her, but realize a vote for Stein is like a half-vote for Trump. It’s a waste. Hopefully you’re not living in a swing state. Edit: Okay, I just watched video after I typed the above. He makes good points, BUT cutting off weapons shouldn’t be done as a political calculation to win over a segment of voters. It should be done because it’s the right thing to do, if ceasefire efforts fail. Right now, Biden is working toward a ceasefire agreement. At some point, if it will be deemed a failure, then Biden had better not wait any longer to announce a weapons moratorium. Not much he or Harris can do if Bibi goes over the cliff and provokes all out war with Hezbollah and Iran. Then, the world is fucked, not just Harris. I believe the Israeli people will be against all-out war that could destroy their small country.
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Post by duh88 on Sept 13, 2024 4:02:23 GMT -5
He makes a damn good point. Dems have enjoyed 90%+ voting margins with Muslims and Jews for years now. Both demos are now divided.
It spells massive trouble for them.
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Post by GBG on Sept 13, 2024 10:14:08 GMT -5
Jews have traditionally voted for the Dem candidate at a 75% rate. That won’t change this time.
Muslims might vote less, but they certainly would be dumb to vote for Trump, who would be much worse on Gaza than anything Harris will do.
I also shouldn’t have to mention that Jews and Muslims comprise a very tiny slice of the electorate in swing states such as Georgia and Wisconsin. Yes, a significant Muslim population resides in Michigan, but I’m fairly optimistic Harris can win that state even with low Muslim turnout.
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Post by jimijam28 on Sept 13, 2024 11:34:20 GMT -5
Now trump is pissing of the Haitians population- FL might be close race now.
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Post by GBG on Sept 13, 2024 21:13:29 GMT -5
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Post by TNF on Sept 14, 2024 7:57:55 GMT -5
EXCELLENT summary.
There isn't a sane person alive who could possibly think Trump won the debate.
"Turn out the lights. The party's over".
Now the deal needs to be closed once and for all and never again will the world have to suffer another minute of the Orange Menace.
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Post by TNF on Sept 14, 2024 8:07:10 GMT -5
GBG, your link is hilarious !
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Post by GBG on Sept 14, 2024 8:25:33 GMT -5
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Post by TNF on Sept 14, 2024 9:39:49 GMT -5
GBG, I agree with you 100%. Just to show there are still plenty of stupid Democrats/liberals out there, as you know, there are many out there who THINK they're SO smart who just want to say "f**k you !" to the Republicans with guts...the ones who stand up to Trump...when they are the ones who had more to lose by doing so.
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Post by jimijam28 on Sept 14, 2024 10:00:22 GMT -5
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Post by duh88 on Sept 14, 2024 22:52:05 GMT -5
You know libs are brain-washed when Kamala can literally boast about being endorsed by dick cheney, $24b is headed to israel for war, biden is threatening to lob missiles at Russia, and you guys are like: YEAH!
Wake up. You're the neo-con (forever wars) party now.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Sept 15, 2024 3:54:58 GMT -5
If i was american i would get used to the idea that the election is pretty pointless and no matter who wins, banks, big oil, big weapons and big pharma will decide whats best for the people.
Forever wars definitely is best for «the people». If only the people could realize the power they have.
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Post by jimijam28 on Sept 15, 2024 9:41:24 GMT -5
You know libs are brain-washed when Kamala can literally boast about being endorsed by dick cheney, $24b is headed to israel for war, biden is threatening to lob missiles at Russia, and you guys are like: YEAH! Wake up. You're the neo-con (forever wars) party now. Yawn, same old s**t from.you. you wake up ,we are voting for democracy. But I forgot maga love dictatorship.
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Post by GBG on Sept 15, 2024 11:15:52 GMT -5
It is a good coping mechanism for Trumpists to think Harris supporters are brainwashed, and even pro-war due the Cheneys alliance with our side. It’s ridiculous, but I can understand they need to find a way to cope and keep rationalizing their inexcusable lack of flexibility and their fealty in remaining loyal to their neofascist leader. It’s a grievous error to back a man that even his former VP has refused to endorse. Pence is the big tell that Trump is on the decline and doesn’t hold the power over the people who were closest to him in his last administration.
One could even go so far as to say Trumpists who say Harris supporters are brainwashed are themselves brainwashed. Projection technique is one skill Trump has down to perfection. Accuse the other side of that of which they are guilty. No doubt about it, the most fervent base of Trump supporters have learned from their dear leader.
But I will grant them one thing: The Ukraine war is more likely to end sooner if Trump wins than if Harris wins. But that’s because Trump is Putin’s agent in America, and Zelensky will have no choice but to cede land in Donbass to Russia and either reach a peace deal or a state of frozen conflict a-la North and South Korea. Putin would take either as a victory and the west will be diminished as a result. I’m a pacifist, so I want these wars to end ASAP, but I do NOT want us and Ukraine to capitulate to Putin. Trump will give Putin most of what he wants. Ugh.
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Post by scooter on Sept 15, 2024 13:03:20 GMT -5
I appreciate that these folks have turned against Trump, but I’m not all in on the liberal love for this group. I want to know what remains appealing about the US Republican Party to people like Michael Steele, who are still members of that party. Is it opposition to environmental laws, giving manufacturing industries free rein to pollute? Or is it opposition to labor laws (the Republican Party opposes more or less all of them), so that corporations can lawfully discriminate on the basis of race (as in Michael Steele’s race), gender, age, religion etc. Is it the Republican party’s opposition to social security and Medicare? At a time when American income/wealth concentration is more extreme than it was in 1900, when most Americans (like most people everywhere on earth) were poor, is the appeal that the Republican Party wants to use government policy to push that distribution even further in that direction? I’m happy that all of these folks are against Donald Trump, but what are they for?
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Post by TNF on Sept 15, 2024 14:27:37 GMT -5
Scooter, as you have seen, I am very happy having the serious Never-Trumpers on our side against Trump, and I also think your points are fair. I like GBG's (and history's) pointing out Russia being an ally during WWII. Obviously, without them, we and the rest of the world lose and Hitler makes his goal of world domination.
I'd say we're lucky they were willing to work with us. I simply can't believe we'd want to reject anyone's help in this epic battle.
(My family's enemy was the !!!thank god he's finally dead!!! head of the D**A. As I told my brother, if my family was alive and Donny (His name was also Donald) was running for prez against Trump, we would ALL be knocking on doors for that f***ing a****** as we speak)
There is nobody in my seventy years more dangerous to everything we stand for. The FACT I am complete agreement with Dick Cheney on this shows how important this is. He is a bastard, but that's just fine in this case. I am angrier with people with intelligence enough to understand the seriousness who refuse to go along because our side isn't perfect.
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