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Post by freakns on Nov 23, 2024 16:04:58 GMT -5
From reading the comments here, I get the impression that most of you guys don’t appreciate the impact of Aaron Gordon, and how much we lose in our offense and defense when he’s out. One of you even wrote, “AG while playing wasn't at top of his game“. That is frankly absurd, freakns. AG was off to the best start of his career, and was even showing a new efficiency with his deep jump shot. Judging this team after 14 games, only half of which AG has played in (and one where he left early in game due to calf strain), is premature, to put it kindly. A harsher assessment is that the writers on this message board are like a bunch of children who want their Christmas toys NOW! Let’s perhaps wait for our goodies (team wins and long winning streaks) for when everyone is available and healthy, shall we? I actually wrote team will look better once AG comes back, so I'm not sure how I dont appreciate him??? I'm also not sure how he has best start of his career? First of all, two years ago he was borderline all star. And if he is showing new efficiency with his deep shot, you could've also notice he is shooting worst that he ever did in Nuggets uniform. Now, both could be easily inflated due to small sample, but if you taking good things from small sample, then you should also take bad ones... His overall productivity is pretty much the same as it was last two years, and we know he was pretty cold in second part of 2022/23, so he really doesn't have better start then he had in championship season. There is one thing though. His FT% is almost 85%. If he can keep it above 75, it would be fantastic. But thats only improvement I believe in, as there is no way he will shoot 3s above 50%. If he stays above 35(his best season he was 34.9%), its great. ps. not playing at top of his game doesnt mean he was bad. means he can be better. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 23, 2024 16:08:13 GMT -5
From reading the comments here, I get the impression that most of you guys don’t appreciate the impact of Aaron Gordon, and how much we lose in our offense and defense when he’s out. One of you even wrote, “AG while playing wasn't at top of his game“. That is frankly absurd, freakns. AG was off to the best start of his career, and was even showing a new efficiency with his deep jump shot. Judging this team after 14 games, only half of which AG has played in (and one where he left early in game due to calf strain), is premature, to put it kindly. A harsher assessment is that the writers on this message board are like a bunch of children who want their Christmas toys NOW! Let’s perhaps wait for our goodies (team wins and long winning streaks) for when everyone is available and healthy, shall we? I actually wrote team will look better once AG comes back, so I'm not sure how I dont appreciate him??? I'm also not sure how he has best start of his career? First of all, two years ago he was borderline all star. And if he is showing new efficiency with his deep shot, you could've also notice he is shooting worst that he ever did in Nuggets uniform. Now, both could be easily inflated due to small sample, but if you taking good things from small sample, then you should also take bad ones... His overall productivity is pretty much the same as it was last two years, and we know he was pretty cold in second part of 2022/23, so he really doesn't have better start then he had in championship season. There is one thing though. His FT% is almost 85%. If he can keep it above 75, it would be fantastic. But thats only improvement I believe in, as there is no way he will shoot 3s above 50%. If he stays above 35(his best season he was 34.9%), its great. ps. not playing at top of his game doesnt mean he was bad. means he can be better. You are proving my point that it’s absurd to criticize AG early season performance. He was playing well and contributed a lot to our wins. |
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Post by freakns on Nov 23, 2024 17:51:28 GMT -5
so me saying he isn't playing at his best is critique?! it must be my lack of English, cause this makes no sense whatsoever.
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Post by GBG on Nov 23, 2024 17:59:12 GMT -5
so me saying he isn't playing at his best is critique?! it must be my lack of English, cause this makes no sense whatsoever. Yes, the implication is that he’s underachieving, which he certainly is not ( when he was playing). |
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Post by Ring on Nov 23, 2024 20:10:40 GMT -5
Is it overreaction if you’re grinding Jokic ~40mpg Yes because he's in better shape than basically everyone in the NBA. Rest now doesn't matter. Get him rest in late March/early April. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 24, 2024 12:19:48 GMT -5
Boston, Minnesota, Dallas, Golden State seem fine under these new apron rules but it's on so hard for the Nuggets Because KSE rather spend some money paying Nuggets media to pretend 2nd apron is a death sentence, than pay for players, salary tax and a GM that wants to compete |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Nov 24, 2024 13:08:47 GMT -5
Boston, Minnesota, Dallas, Golden State seem fine under these new apron rules but it's on so hard for the Nuggets Because KSE rather spend some money paying Nuggets media to pretend 2nd apron is a death sentence, than pay for players, salary tax and a GM that wants to compete Boston and maybe GS only two teams that seem "fine" DAL screwed themselves with Klay signing, and MIN got rid of KAT because of salary implications. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 24, 2024 13:20:34 GMT -5
Because KSE rather spend some money paying Nuggets media to pretend 2nd apron is a death sentence, than pay for players, salary tax and a GM that wants to compete Boston and maybe GS only two teams that seem "fine" DAL screwed themselves with Klay signing, and MIN got rid of KAT because of salary implications. What fans like the one you responded to don’t realize is that Nuggets are top-heavy with their top four players and their contracts, which makes filling out the rest of the roster difficult from a cap and apron perspective. The idea that our GM doesn’t want to compete is asinine. Criticize his mistakes, that’s fair game. But to say they aren’t interested in competing belies the fact that they do! |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 24, 2024 16:37:19 GMT -5
Boston and maybe GS only two teams that seem "fine" DAL screwed themselves with Klay signing, and MIN got rid of KAT because of salary implications. What fans like the one you responded to don’t realize is that Nuggets are top-heavy with their top four players and their contracts, which makes filling out the rest of the roster difficult from a cap and apron perspective. The idea that our GM doesn’t want to compete is asinine. Criticize his mistakes, that’s fair game. But to say they aren’t interested in competing belies the fact that they do! They are competing because it is literally impossible to not compete for a ring when you have Jokic. GM wants to win while spending less than every competitor. Its really simple But posters/cowards like the one i qouted likes to speak and not listen and will never see this post |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 24, 2024 16:38:00 GMT -5
Because KSE rather spend some money paying Nuggets media to pretend 2nd apron is a death sentence, than pay for players, salary tax and a GM that wants to compete Boston and maybe GS only two teams that seem "fine" DAL screwed themselves with Klay signing, and MIN got rid of KAT because of salary implications. You list every contender. OKC is a special case and we have Jokic Suns was fine outside of KD going down |
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Post by famicommander on Nov 24, 2024 16:42:44 GMT -5
The Suns are literally the oldest team in the NBA. They will consistently get hurt.
EDIT:
actually the Sixers are marginally older since they brought in Reggie, Gordon, Drummond, and George this offseason
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Nov 24, 2024 17:12:17 GMT -5
GM wants to win while spending less than every competitor. The Nuggets' salary right now is 8th in the league -- higher than that of the Warriors, Thunder, Rockets, Clippers, Grizz, and Mavs (all teams at least tied for 8th or better in the west), and the Cavs and Magic (top 3 in the east). The Nuggets are third in payroll committed to the 2025-26 season behind only the Celtics and Suns, and second in payroll committed in 2026-27. "Spending less than every competitor" is just factually false. The Nuggets did choose not to extend KCP or keep Reggie (and have a top 3 payroll) and to try to use the TPMLE instead. It's at least arguable that the goal there was to improve the overall team, even though the specific FA (Saric) hasn't yet worked out. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 24, 2024 17:18:56 GMT -5
GM wants to win while spending less than every competitor. The Nuggets' salary right now is 8th in the league -- higher than that of the Warriors, Thunder, Rockets, Clippers, Grizz, and Mavs (all teams at least tied for 8th or better in the west), and the Cavs and Magic (top 3 in the east). The Nuggets are third in payroll committed to the 2025-26 season behind only the Celtics and Suns, and second in payroll committed in 2026-27. "Spending less than every competitor" is just factually false. The Nuggets did choose not to extend KCP or keep Reggie (and have a top 3 payroll) and to try to use the TPMLE instead. It's at least arguable that the goal there was to improve the overall team, even though the specific FA (Saric) hasn't yet worked out. Also, the front office and KSE are forward thinking in knowing that keeping CB and PWat will cost $$$$ during the Jokic era. Both could be $20+ million role players in the future. Strawther has potential to be in that category too. Letting KCP walk was necessary for the long-term. |
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Post by BBBbbb on Nov 24, 2024 18:30:39 GMT -5
GM wants to win while spending less than every competitor. The Nuggets' salary right now is 8th in the league -- higher than that of the Warriors, Thunder, Rockets, Clippers, Grizz, and Mavs (all teams at least tied for 8th or better in the west), and the Cavs and Magic (top 3 in the east). The Nuggets are third in payroll committed to the 2025-26 season behind only the Celtics and Suns, and second in payroll committed in 2026-27. "Spending less than every competitor" is just factually false. The Nuggets did choose not to extend KCP or keep Reggie (and have a top 3 payroll) and to try to use the TPMLE instead. It's at least arguable that the goal there was to improve the overall team, even though the specific FA (Saric) hasn't yet worked out. Looking beyond current season just tells you how many players teams have locked up long term. And I'm guessing these wonderful player options are counted in as a lock in those projections.
what is relevant is - we are 8th. From the teams you listed below Denver, Mavs are the only good example.
OKC has too many great players on cheap contracts (they're young). Warriors would have paid if there was something on the market to make them a major contender.
Clips, Grizz and Rockets are not even plausible title contenders.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Nov 24, 2024 18:58:09 GMT -5
what is relevant is - we are 8th. And, if we'd kept KCP instead of Saric, we'd be third behind the Suns and Wolves. Kept KCP and Reggie, we'd be second. With less flexibility going forward, and not even a better team IMO. |
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