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Post by wicked3line on Nov 23, 2024 11:48:01 GMT -5
We also had only 3 “clean” wins, rest were sub 5 point, most just +2. So we could also be 3-11. At the end we are what the record says we are, not what the record could have been. yup Nuggets are just not good team this year. our defense has been clusterfuck, our offense sux when Jokic doesn't play, and our clutch is rollercoaster. Jamal has been bad, but its not all his fault. Our clutch would be better with him, but that wouldn't resolve out horrible first half play. MPJ cant get a game where he is good in both halves, AG while playing wasn't at top of his game, and Westbrook while playing maybe even better then expected, is in minus most of the time. He has been in plus only in a game against Utah. Same could be said for Strawther and Saric hasn't really found his footing yet. We are basically having consistent production only from Jokic and CB, and we could say PWat has been improving every game. On other hand, we have been healthy in only 4 games, and those were 4 worst MPJ/Jamal games. Once AG gets back, I believe Nuggets will at least start playing like playoff team and will have some easy wins. Disagree. Same basic team as last season that won 57 games. Doesn't mean they will win a championship but to call them "not good team" is simply being overly dramatic. Utah is bad, Nuggets are not a bad team. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Nov 23, 2024 11:57:37 GMT -5
I do remember that thread! I remember I simply challenged that he might not be unanimously be a top 10 pg. Now almost everyone agrees he's not even a top 15 pg in the league. Honest question, why is anybody surprised by Jamal's performance at this point in the season as he does this almost every year? He is, who he is as he's made a career of starting slow, then playing better by the All-Star break. Every year people seem to have unrealistic expectations for him early in the season largely based on what he did in the 2nd half of the previous season. BREAKING NEWS... it never carries forward to his performance to start the next season, hence why he will never be an All-Star! He's never looked this unathletic. Nor has he ever shot this poorly. I'd bet he doesn't average 20ppg this year and doesn't shoot over 45% fg. |
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Post by JB on Nov 23, 2024 12:39:30 GMT -5
Last year people were ranking all the point guards in the league and I got laughed at for insisting Jrue Holiday was better than Murray and it wasn't close. Hmm. Jrue wasn't even the best PG in the starting lineup for the Celtics last year. |
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Post by wicked3line on Nov 23, 2024 12:53:25 GMT -5
Honest question, why is anybody surprised by Jamal's performance at this point in the season as he does this almost every year? He is, who he is as he's made a career of starting slow, then playing better by the All-Star break. Every year people seem to have unrealistic expectations for him early in the season largely based on what he did in the 2nd half of the previous season. BREAKING NEWS... it never carries forward to his performance to start the next season, hence why he will never be an All-Star! He's never looked this unathletic. Nor has he ever shot this poorly. I'd bet he doesn't average 20ppg this year and doesn't shoot over 45% fg. I understand but not seeing enough difference compared to past seasons to make any big leap. This looks EXACTLY like the same Jamal Murray as usual at this stage in the season. For one you are comparing his full season stats to his current season stats but as I said previously the guy simply starts slow every year. Same Jamal in the first few months that jogs back on defense and tosses up way too many contested jumpers rather than driving into the lane. For example, last season through November, Jamal shooting stats were at 41% overall and 37% from 3, currently at 40% and 34% respectively..hence not a big change. Now look at Jamals stats in Jan-Mar last season 48% overall and 40% from 3 as I see no reason he won't do the exact same thing this season. |
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Post by famicommander on Nov 23, 2024 14:01:30 GMT -5
Nuggets 2 point shooting for the guys that have played 100 minutes
1. Braun - .604
2. Porter - .564
3. Jokic - .561
4. Gordon - .521
5. Watson - .507
6. Strawther - .480
7. Murray - .440
8. Westbrook - .356
9. Saric - .333
Dire, dire stuff from Murray, Westbrook, and Saric.
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Post by scooter on Nov 23, 2024 14:09:59 GMT -5
This was a frustrating loss, but keep it in perspective:
1) if Marshall plays like this (which he almost never does but did last night), that team is actually better with Doncic out. Much much better defensively. Faster and more athletic. Playing more to their bigs, who have good hands and are very good around the basket.
2) all of the Mavs’ bigs were healthy — and their rotation of Lively, Gafford and Washington is very good — while the Nuggets were missing a big chunk of their rotation muscle and athleticism in the form of Gordon. With Gordon out, the Mavs’ game plan became extremely straightforward — paint, paint, paint. I remember the bad loss in Dallas last season when the Mavs beat the Nuggets up on the boards — the game that got Nnaji nailed to the bench. A team that’s good and deep in bigs is a tough matchup for the Nuggets in general and a very bad matchup if one of our playable bigs is out.
The Nuggets need to trade for an above the rim backup C with halfway decent hands — some poor man’s version of the younger Jordan. Saric is good with the starters but just doesn’t mesh with our bench group. Come up with some trade to patch that hole and it makes the team better.
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Post by GBG on Nov 23, 2024 14:10:59 GMT -5
From reading the comments here, I get the impression that most of you guys don’t appreciate the impact of Aaron Gordon, and how much we lose in our offense and defense when he’s out. One of you even wrote, “AG while playing wasn't at top of his game“. That is frankly absurd, freakns. AG was off to the best start of his career, and was even showing a new efficiency with his deep jump shot.
Judging this team after 14 games, only half of which AG has played in (and one where he left early in game due to calf strain), is premature, to put it kindly.
A harsher assessment is that the writers on this message board are like a bunch of children who want their Christmas toys NOW! Let’s perhaps wait for our goodies (team wins and long winning streaks) for when everyone is available and healthy, shall we?
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Post by famicommander on Nov 23, 2024 14:15:51 GMT -5
Who is this mystery big we're supposed to acquire for like the 10th year in a row, and how do we get them without trading Watson or Braun?
Because nobody would take Nnaji or Saric for free right now and we only really have 1 pick to trade. And we still don't have a viable 5th guard on the roster either.
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Post by GBG on Nov 23, 2024 14:16:54 GMT -5
This was a frustrating loss, but keep it in perspective: 1) if Marshall plays like this (which he almost never does but did last night), that team is actually better with Doncic out. Much much better defensively. Faster and more athletic. Playing more to their bigs, who have good hands and are very good around the basket. 2) all of the Mavs’ bigs were healthy — and their rotation of Lively, Gafford and Washington is very good — while the Nuggets were missing a big chunk of their rotation muscle and athleticism in the form of Gordon. With Gordon out, the Mavs’ game plan became extremely straightforward — paint, paint, paint. I remember the bad loss in Dallas last season when the Mavs beat the Nuggets up on the boards — the game that got Nnaji nailed to the bench. A team that’s good and deep in bigs is a tough matchup for the Nuggets in general and a very bad matchup if one of our playable bigs is out. The Nuggets need to trade for an above the rim backup C with halfway decent hands — some poor man’s version of the younger Jordan. Saric is good with the starters but just doesn’t mesh with our bench group. Come up with some trade to patch that hole and it makes the team better. Agreed, and you are one of the few fans here who actually understands the impact of Gordon, and how much worse we are without him, especially against a team with two excellent bigs in Lively and Gafford. Jason Kidd is a good enough coach to exploit our holes when AG is out. |
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Post by famicommander on Nov 23, 2024 14:17:19 GMT -5
And the next time Malone puts Tyson into non-garbage minutes he should just go right to the insane asylum.
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Post by GBG on Nov 23, 2024 14:18:43 GMT -5
Who is this mystery big we're supposed to acquire for like the 10th year in a row, and how do we get them without trading Watson or Braun? Because nobody would take Nnaji or Saric for free right now and we only really have 1 pick to trade. And we still don't have a viable 5th guard on the roster either. Let’s look at the FA list for such a vet player who might be available for the min. I’m heading straight to Spotrac right now. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 23, 2024 14:19:34 GMT -5
And the next time Malone puts Tyson into non-garbage minutes he should just go right to the insane asylum. It was only for 2 minutes to give CB a rest, IIRC. |
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Post by famicommander on Nov 23, 2024 14:22:44 GMT -5
And the next time Malone puts Tyson into non-garbage minutes he should just go right to the insane asylum. It was only for 2 minutes to give CB a rest, IIRC. It would have been more except he missed a dunk at the rim and gave up 4 points in 2 minutes. Malone, Booth, and the commentary team are a united front pretending he's an NBA player. He should be cut immediately, along with Pickett. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 23, 2024 14:26:45 GMT -5
Who is this mystery big we're supposed to acquire for like the 10th year in a row, and how do we get them without trading Watson or Braun? Because nobody would take Nnaji or Saric for free right now and we only really have 1 pick to trade. And we still don't have a viable 5th guard on the roster either. Let’s look at the FA list for such a vet player who might be available for the min. I’m heading straight to Spotrac right now. Okay, here are the FAs who might be able to help us and are available as free agents, per Spotrac… Biyombo Yurtseven Metu Damian Jones End of list. I’m not gonna count Javale or Boban or Muscala, all of whom are available. And I’m not gonna count Cousins. Who the hell knows where he is and what shape he’s in?! Personally, I’d go with Biyombo. Damian Jones is worth considering too. Metu and Yurtseven are fallback center alternatives. All four are likely better backup C’s than who we have now. |
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Post by famicommander on Nov 23, 2024 14:29:07 GMT -5
Let’s look at the FA list for such a vet player who might be available for the min. I’m heading straight to Spotrac right now. Okay, here are the FAs who might be able to help us and are available as free agents… Biyombo Yurtseven Metu Damian Jones End of list. I’m not gonna count Javale or Boban or Muscala, all of whom are available. And I’m not gonna count Cousins. Who the hell knows where he is and what shape he’s in?! I don't even trust any of those guys more than DJ. Buncha washed up stiffs. And we still need at least one more guard. Badly. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 23, 2024 14:30:50 GMT -5
Okay, here are the FAs who might be able to help us and are available as free agents… Biyombo Yurtseven Metu Damian Jones End of list. I’m not gonna count Javale or Boban or Muscala, all of whom are available. And I’m not gonna count Cousins. Who the hell knows where he is and what shape he’s in?! I don't even trust any of those guys more than DJ. Buncha washed up stiffs. And we still need at least one more guard. Badly. They are better than what we have. Personally, I’d go with Biyombo. Damian Jones is worth considering too. Metu and Yurtseven are fallback center alternatives (in case you missed my edit). Biyombo is 32. Jones is 29. Metu is 27. Yurtseven is 26. Washed? LOL. |
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Post by famicommander on Nov 23, 2024 14:33:47 GMT -5
I don't even trust any of those guys more than DJ. Buncha washed up stiffs. And we still need at least one more guard. Badly. They are better than what we have. Personally, I’d go with Biyombo. Damian Jones is worth considering too. Metu and Yurtseven are fallback center alternatives (in case you missed my edit). No, they aren't better than what we have. And it's unlikely we get rid of any current bigs on the roster, so we'd be replacing Tyson/Pickett with another worthless stiff instead of a viable guard like Walker/Holiday/Smith and still end up playing Gordon as 2C. We already have 4 unplayable centers (Saric, Nnaji, Jordan, Hall) and you want to up it to 5, basically. |
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Post by Ring on Nov 23, 2024 14:49:48 GMT -5
yup Nuggets are just not good team this year. our defense has been clusterfuck, our offense sux when Jokic doesn't play, and our clutch is rollercoaster. Jamal has been bad, but its not all his fault. Our clutch would be better with him, but that wouldn't resolve out horrible first half play. MPJ cant get a game where he is good in both halves, AG while playing wasn't at top of his game, and Westbrook while playing maybe even better then expected, is in minus most of the time. He has been in plus only in a game against Utah. Same could be said for Strawther and Saric hasn't really found his footing yet. We are basically having consistent production only from Jokic and CB, and we could say PWat has been improving every game. On other hand, we have been healthy in only 4 games, and those were 4 worst MPJ/Jamal games. Once AG gets back, I believe Nuggets will at least start playing like playoff team and will have some easy wins. Disagree. Same basic team as last season that won 57 games. Doesn't mean they will win a championship but to call them "not good team" is simply being overly dramatic. Utah is bad, Nuggets are not a bad team. Agreed. People are going way overboard with this team this year. There's no reason why this team can't win a Championship if Murray gets back to playing good basketball. Do I think that is going to happen? Absolutely not. Not consistently at least. But all the talk about a backup center, a weak bench, etc. None of that s**t actually matters. The Nuggets bench sucked in the Championship year and they still won a ring with a 7.5 man rotation because Murray played like an all star and Jokic played like the best player in the world. We already know 1 of those is a constant. If Murray plays good the Nuggets will make the finals. If he doesn't, they'll lose in Round 1 or 2. It's pretty simple. Murray should have never been extended and even if he all of a sudden starts playing great basketball, he still shouldn't have been extended. He did absolutely nothing to warrant the extension and the Nuggets did him a favor because they are a very dumb organization. If they did it after the Championship run I don't think any of us could have been mad. If Murray took his body serious and came into this season in peak physical condition I think we'd cut him some slack. He got paid a max and has done nothing on or off the floor to show that he deserves that contract. |
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Post by BBBbbb on Nov 23, 2024 14:56:41 GMT -5
Is it overreaction if you’re grinding Jokic ~40mpg
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Post by bird33 on Nov 23, 2024 15:31:30 GMT -5
I am truly not a fan of MPJ.. he’s our weak link
I wish we would have traded him
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