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Post by famicommander on Nov 23, 2024 1:24:21 GMT -5
Last year people were ranking all the point guards in the league and I got laughed at for insisting Jrue Holiday was better than Murray and it wasn't close.
Hmm.
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Post by Dante on Nov 23, 2024 1:34:58 GMT -5
Funny note. Mavs went legit 10 deep this game without their best player. We played 7 man rotation with few minutes to DJ, Saric, Alexander and Tyson.
No wonder we fell apart in the clutch. This is not sustainable in the long run. Roster is so flawed it's not even funny.
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Post by somborshuffle on Nov 23, 2024 1:51:24 GMT -5
Again, Booth has been so damn awful it almost seems like intentional sabotage.
That bench is a disgrace.
Strawther would be the 10th guy on most contenders but we're asking him to be our primary bench scorer at this stage of his career.
This roster is crying out for guys like Nnaji Marshall and Quinton Grimes.
Booth is a fraud. A huckster.
And as for Jamal you tie him to a couple of 1sts and pray someone like Atlanta would trade him for Trae Young. That's where we're at now. Praying for Trae Young because at least he can get you 30pts on any given night.
Jamal is a 15pt on 15 shot guy now.
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Post by aussie on Nov 23, 2024 1:52:01 GMT -5
Dario was showing flashes. Why not play him a bit?
Just like Jamal, Malone is a nobody without Nikola
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Post by famicommander on Nov 23, 2024 1:57:58 GMT -5
Dario was showing flashes. Why not play him a bit? Just like Jamal, Malone is a nobody without Nikola Did you watch the game? Saric got bodybagged on his first play (backed down easily, got dunked on, left a chalk outline of his corpse in the paint) and played as poorly as you could possibly play in his 4 minutes tonight. He looked like Zeke out there. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 23, 2024 2:00:09 GMT -5
Dario was showing flashes. Why not play him a bit? Just like Jamal, Malone is a nobody without Nikola Did you watch the game? Saric got bodybagged on his first play (backed down easily, got dunked on, left a chalk outline of his corpse in the paint) and played as poorly as you could possibly play in his 4 minutes tonight. He looked like Zeke out there. Zeke defends. Or at least tries. Saric makes JJ Hickson look good. |
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Post by famicommander on Nov 23, 2024 2:13:50 GMT -5
Did you watch the game? Saric got bodybagged on his first play (backed down easily, got dunked on, left a chalk outline of his corpse in the paint) and played as poorly as you could possibly play in his 4 minutes tonight. He looked like Zeke out there. Zeke defends. Or at least tries. Saric makes JJ Hickson look good. Zeke would've gotten bodybagged on that dunk too. Except he probably would've fouled the guy while he was at it. |
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Post by freakns on Nov 23, 2024 2:40:32 GMT -5
Nuggets went up 5 - Nuggets down 4 sequence
Washington drives next to Jamal, easy 2. Jokic standing in the paint, doesn't bother contesting. but OK, lets say this one is 100% Jamal
MPJ missing midrange, no other Nugget is within the 3 pt line
Fastbreak, Washington 2+1, fouled by Jamal. Again, totally on Jamal. Except no one was close to Washington other then Murray. Rest of team was swinging their dicks around midcourt
2 man game, Lively stays on Jamal, who passes the ball in the middle of the paint to Jokic who is guarded by small(not sure who it was). Jokic misses, pick up his miss, shots again, Lively is back to block it. Clearly Jamal's fault not driving next to Lively then dunk on whoever is in paint
Kyrie misses wide open 3
Jokic to Murray to Westbrook who drives to the basket, Lively comes to block, Jokic is as open as I am under the basket, Westbrook decides to shoot, gets blocked. Again, another mistake by Murray cause he should've known Westbrook is going to f up and not pass to wide open Jokic for easiest 3 in the world.
Grimes and Swatson went after the ball after block and Watson made foul. This is also on Murray. If he picked up the ball, Watson wouldn't be able to make a foul. Grimes hits both FT
Jokic missing another shot. Kyrie takes the ball, going in transition. Doesn't pass, goes for basket. Murray strips him, Grimes saves cause there is no other Nugget around, try giving the ball to Washington, Murray intercept but ball goes out of bounds. Clearly Jamal's fault for not intercepting the ball properly. PJ Washington drives, shoots above Murray. Jamal's fault for not being taller.
Thats what it took for them to go from 5 down to 4 up.
On defense
Twice PJ Washington going on Jamal who is like 10 inches shorter and 50 pounds lighter and has no help from others.
Two fastbreaks, both times Jamal only one back on defense.
Faul on Watson
On offense
Jokic missing twice(actually 3 times, but it was two possesions)
Westbrook missing once
MPJ missing once
I get that Jamal had poor shooting night, but how the f**k is he the only one to blame, especially when we surrender more then 50 points in the paint and 72 points only in the first half, thats beyond me.
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Post by aussie on Nov 23, 2024 3:00:18 GMT -5
Dario was showing flashes. Why not play him a bit? Just like Jamal, Malone is a nobody without Nikola Did you watch the game? Saric got bodybagged on his first play (backed down easily, got dunked on, left a chalk outline of his corpse in the paint) and played as poorly as you could possibly play in his 4 minutes tonight. He looked like Zeke out there. I was referencing the last couple of games. He’s looked playable. What’s your playbook then coach? What’s your rotation and GM mentality.. |
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Post by famicommander on Nov 23, 2024 3:02:54 GMT -5
Did you watch the game? Saric got bodybagged on his first play (backed down easily, got dunked on, left a chalk outline of his corpse in the paint) and played as poorly as you could possibly play in his 4 minutes tonight. He looked like Zeke out there. I was referencing the last couple of games. He’s looked playable. What’s your playbook then coach? What’s your rotation and GM mentality.. I don't think it matters which one of DJ, Saric, or Zeke plays. I think they're all far below replacement level guys at this point. But Saric played so poorly tonight that it would've been ludicrous to put him back in. Just like it was ludicrous to put Tyson and Alexander into the game at all. |
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Post by somborshuffle on Nov 23, 2024 3:36:17 GMT -5
If Jamal can't put 25+ on Knecht and Reeves tomorrow then that'll be the final nail in the coffin.
Those two defend like... Jamal?
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Nov 23, 2024 4:37:04 GMT -5
I thought the second quarter was one of the worst officiated single quarters I've ever seen. Just so many hacks and slaps and grabs that should have been called that instead turned into Mavs points going the other way. Glad the team battled through. Sad they came up short.
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Post by freakns on Nov 23, 2024 6:46:26 GMT -5
Did you watch the game? Saric got bodybagged on his first play (backed down easily, got dunked on, left a chalk outline of his corpse in the paint) and played as poorly as you could possibly play in his 4 minutes tonight. He looked like Zeke out there. I was referencing the last couple of games. He’s looked playable. What’s your playbook then coach? What’s your rotation and GM mentality.. Saric can't play against real centers. Its like putting me out there to guard Gafford. Same is going to happen tomorrow cause he can't guard Davis or Hayes. We can expect to see him after Lakers game as we going to play some not so big teams, like Knicks or Warriors. Rotation should be pretty simple. Put DeAndre in for 10 minutes when you play real centers. Put Saric in when you play smaller teams. Drop Zeke out of the plane on your flight to LA |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Nov 23, 2024 8:49:19 GMT -5
Last year people were ranking all the point guards in the league and I got laughed at for insisting Jrue Holiday was better than Murray and it wasn't close. Hmm. I do remember that thread! I remember I simply challenged that he might not be unanimously be a top 10 pg. Now almost everyone agrees he's not even a top 15 pg in the league. |
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Post by AbdulJabber on Nov 23, 2024 9:45:17 GMT -5
4 of our 6 losses were very winnable games. The clippers game was 94-90 with 4:20 to go. Outscored 19-10. The Wolves game was 114-104 with 3:36 to go. Outscored 15-2. The Pels game was 86-87 with 6:25 to go. Outscored 14-8. And this one was 113-108 with 3:05 to go. Outscored 15-7.
It would be tempting to think we could realistically be 12-2 with all these 4th quarter leads. The truth is it feels like we're closer to 6-8 than 12-2. we're 27th in first half margin at -4.1. Hopefully that's a fluke. We're usually top 5.
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Post by eathb on Nov 23, 2024 10:36:04 GMT -5
Boston, Minnesota, Dallas, Golden State seem fine under these new apron rules but it's on so hard for the Nuggets
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Post by BBBbbb on Nov 23, 2024 10:42:19 GMT -5
4 of our 6 losses were very winnable games. The clippers game was 94-90 with 4:20 to go. Outscored 19-10. The Wolves game was 114-104 with 3:36 to go. Outscored 15-2. The Pels game was 86-87 with 6:25 to go. Outscored 14-8. And this one was 113-108 with 3:05 to go. Outscored 15-7. It would be tempting to think we could realistically be 12-2 with all these 4th quarter leads. The truth is it feels like we're closer to 6-8 than 12-2. we're 27th in first half margin at -4.1. Hopefully that's a fluke. We're usually top 5. We also had only 3 “clean” wins, rest were sub 5 point, most just +2. So we could also be 3-11. At the end we are what the record says we are, not what the record could have been. |
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Post by wicked3line on Nov 23, 2024 11:20:49 GMT -5
4 of our 6 losses were very winnable games. The clippers game was 94-90 with 4:20 to go. Outscored 19-10. The Wolves game was 114-104 with 3:36 to go. Outscored 15-2. The Pels game was 86-87 with 6:25 to go. Outscored 14-8. And this one was 113-108 with 3:05 to go. Outscored 15-7. It would be tempting to think we could realistically be 12-2 with all these 4th quarter leads. The truth is it feels like we're closer to 6-8 than 12-2. we're 27th in first half margin at -4.1. Hopefully that's a fluke. We're usually top 5. We also had only 3 “clean” wins, rest were sub 5 point, most just +2. So we could also be 3-11. At the end we are what the record says we are, not what the record could have been. By game 14 in the 2022-2023 season Nuggets were 9-5 while last season the Nuggets were 10-4 (with a horrible bench). Team currently stands at 8-6 despite missing Jokic for 3 previous games but still a horrible bench. This team is on the same basic cadence as the last two seasons but something is going to have to change with the bench if this group wants to be a serious title contender. |
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Post by freakns on Nov 23, 2024 11:33:47 GMT -5
4 of our 6 losses were very winnable games. The clippers game was 94-90 with 4:20 to go. Outscored 19-10. The Wolves game was 114-104 with 3:36 to go. Outscored 15-2. The Pels game was 86-87 with 6:25 to go. Outscored 14-8. And this one was 113-108 with 3:05 to go. Outscored 15-7. It would be tempting to think we could realistically be 12-2 with all these 4th quarter leads. The truth is it feels like we're closer to 6-8 than 12-2. we're 27th in first half margin at -4.1. Hopefully that's a fluke. We're usually top 5. We also had only 3 “clean” wins, rest were sub 5 point, most just +2. So we could also be 3-11. At the end we are what the record says we are, not what the record could have been. yup Nuggets are just not good team this year. our defense has been clusterfuck, our offense sux when Jokic doesn't play, and our clutch is rollercoaster. Jamal has been bad, but its not all his fault. Our clutch would be better with him, but that wouldn't resolve out horrible first half play. MPJ cant get a game where he is good in both halves, AG while playing wasn't at top of his game, and Westbrook while playing maybe even better then expected, is in minus most of the time. He has been in plus only in a game against Utah. Same could be said for Strawther and Saric hasn't really found his footing yet. We are basically having consistent production only from Jokic and CB, and we could say PWat has been improving every game. On other hand, we have been healthy in only 4 games, and those were 4 worst MPJ/Jamal games. Once AG gets back, I believe Nuggets will at least start playing like playoff team and will have some easy wins. |
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Post by wicked3line on Nov 23, 2024 11:44:53 GMT -5
Last year people were ranking all the point guards in the league and I got laughed at for insisting Jrue Holiday was better than Murray and it wasn't close. Hmm. I do remember that thread! I remember I simply challenged that he might not be unanimously be a top 10 pg. Now almost everyone agrees he's not even a top 15 pg in the league. Honest question, why is anybody surprised by Jamal's performance at this point in the season as he does this almost every year? He is, who he is as he's made a career of starting slow, then playing better by the All-Star break. Every year people seem to have unrealistic expectations for him early in the season largely based on what he did in the 2nd half of the previous season. BREAKING NEWS... it never carries forward to his performance to start the next season, hence why he will never be an All-Star! |
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