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Post by famicommander on Oct 15, 2024 23:48:47 GMT -5
I want all the people who said we didn't need a 3rd point guard to take a look at this game. No Jamal and Russ and we end up with 22 turnovers and 42%/25% FG/3PT splits. Collin Gillespie is way better than Trey Alexander today. In a year Trey may have blown way past him, but today Gillespie is better. And we got rid of him for a guy that can't even get garbage time minutes in a preseason game (Jones). There is no reason at all that we should have Jones and Pickett instead of Reggie and Gillespie. None. Same for Tyson/Holiday. I guess argument is it forces Strawther and Alexander to get those reps. I think both bit in over their head but if they hit there then Denver is rolling. Alexander is raw but he looks like solid 3rd PG, get him on 15 man Strawther is simply not a point guard. He's a 2/3. Trey has potential but he doesn't look ready to help us right away. |
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Post by inyourmind on Oct 16, 2024 0:07:44 GMT -5
I want all the people who said we didn't need a 3rd point guard to take a look at this game. No Jamal and Russ and we end up with 22 turnovers and 42%/25% FG/3PT splits. Collin Gillespie is way better than Trey Alexander today. In a year Trey may have blown way past him, but today Gillespie is better. And we got rid of him for a guy that can't even get garbage time minutes in a preseason game (Jones). There is no reason at all that we should have Jones and Pickett instead of Reggie and Gillespie. None. Same for Tyson/Holiday. lmao and there was no Jokic? Your also just including names with CG now. I 100% agree Holiday would be a boost to this roster. Do I think it would be a game breaking addition? No but it would be nice to have. He's someone who's played legitimate minutes. I genuinely have never had this argument about basketball before. It's mindblowing to me tbh. There's so many factors that go beyond a 3rd PG that I don't even understand why I have to mention them. There will be 10+ reasons why a game is lost or won regardless of injuries over someone like CG. Pickett played 9 minutes in a close loss vs NOLA last year and was a +9. He played 8 minutes in a close loss against Orlando and was a +1. The Denver Nuggets were 11-2 in games where Jalen Pickett stepped onto the basketball court and was a -. Seriously. I'm not even defending the FO. They've took risks that were dumb as s**t and needed to be smarter about the depth. CG is hilariously down the list of things that matter. I've said it a few times now but I think people just need to commit to thinking CG is a legitimate rotation player. I feel like some are just waiting for him to break out in PHX and the argument will change. That argument makes sense. Thinking Malone was a fool to not give him more a chance. The reality is the Nuggets valued CG as a practice/culture player and that's it. At the end of the day it's the 15th thing that matters. |
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Post by rock on Oct 16, 2024 0:15:45 GMT -5
I want all the people who said we didn't need a 3rd point guard to take a look at this game. No Jamal and Russ and we end up with 22 turnovers and 42%/25% FG/3PT splits. Collin Gillespie is way better than Trey Alexander today. In a year Trey may have blown way past him, but today Gillespie is better. And we got rid of him for a guy that can't even get garbage time minutes in a preseason game (Jones). There is no reason at all that we should have Jones and Pickett instead of Reggie and Gillespie. None. Same for Tyson/Holiday. lmao and there was no Jokic? Your also just including names with CG now. I 100% agree Holiday would be a boost to this roster. Do I think it would be a game breaking addition? No but it would be nice to have. He's someone who's played legitimate minutes. I genuinely have never had this argument about basketball before. It's mindblowing to me tbh. There's so many factors that go beyond a 3rd PG that I don't even understand why I have to mention them. There will be 10+ reasons why a game is lost or won regardless of injuries over someone like CG. Pickett played 9 minutes in a close loss vs NOLA last year and was a +9. He played 8 minutes in a close loss against Orlando and was a +1. The Denver Nuggets were 11-2 in games where Jalen Pickett stepped onto the basketball court and was a -. Seriously. I'm not even defending the FO. They've took risks that were dumb as s**t and needed to be smarter about the depth. CG is hilariously down the list of things that matter. I've said it a few times now but I think people just need to commit to thinking CG is a legitimate rotation player. I feel like some are just waiting for him to break out in PHX and the argument will change. That argument makes sense. Thinking Malone was a fool to not give him more a chance. The reality is the Nuggets valued CG as a practice/culture player and that's it. At the end of the day it's the 15th thing that matters. There’s a difference between “the 15th guy really doesn’t matter” and “Pickett is literally the worst player in the league and unplayable” |
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Post by inyourmind on Oct 16, 2024 0:17:41 GMT -5
I guess argument is it forces Strawther and Alexander to get those reps. I think both bit in over their head but if they hit there then Denver is rolling. Alexander is raw but he looks like solid 3rd PG, get him on 15 man Strawther is simply not a point guard. He's a 2/3. Trey has potential but he doesn't look ready to help us right away. He's obviously not a PG but look at the lineup the Nuggets just rolled out. I don't get how you can watch tonight or s**t like the SL and think it resembles an NBA game. If we run into injury issues and Strawther plays PG .. it'll be with Jokic and every single set will somehow involve him. He won't be be playing PG. The Nuggets will roll 2 guards and Gordon will be sprinkled in as a ball handler and Jokic would dictate the offense. Is CG better than Alexander right now? Most likely. Give me someone with potential who plays 30ish games this year over the guy who the coach doesn't think can be a legitimate rotation player. At this point I genuinely hope CG proves the Nuggets wrong so there's atleast a reason why were discussing him. If Jokic/Murray/Westbrook all miss 30+ games than the conversation doesn't matter. Your 3rd PG isn't willing you to the playoffs. The anger should be directed at a roster where Jokic once again needs to carry. The Nuggets should have focused on building better depth 6-9 so when Murray does go down for his normal stint Jokic doesn't need to go full MVP mode for us to win games. I like Strawther/CB/Watson and think they'll be a success this season so I'm not upset but if even 1 of those guys don't step up than the FO will look silly. CG wouldn't change a thing. I like Westbrook's mentality and think it's an interesting add but there's far more to be upset with about that than with CG IMO. Nuggets probably needed a safer choice/guaranteed fit as a backup PG behind someone as injury prone as Murray. |
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Post by inyourmind on Oct 16, 2024 0:22:57 GMT -5
lmao and there was no Jokic? Your also just including names with CG now. I 100% agree Holiday would be a boost to this roster. Do I think it would be a game breaking addition? No but it would be nice to have. He's someone who's played legitimate minutes. I genuinely have never had this argument about basketball before. It's mindblowing to me tbh. There's so many factors that go beyond a 3rd PG that I don't even understand why I have to mention them. There will be 10+ reasons why a game is lost or won regardless of injuries over someone like CG. Pickett played 9 minutes in a close loss vs NOLA last year and was a +9. He played 8 minutes in a close loss against Orlando and was a +1. The Denver Nuggets were 11-2 in games where Jalen Pickett stepped onto the basketball court and was a -. Seriously. I'm not even defending the FO. They've took risks that were dumb as s**t and needed to be smarter about the depth. CG is hilariously down the list of things that matter. I've said it a few times now but I think people just need to commit to thinking CG is a legitimate rotation player. I feel like some are just waiting for him to break out in PHX and the argument will change. That argument makes sense. Thinking Malone was a fool to not give him more a chance. The reality is the Nuggets valued CG as a practice/culture player and that's it. At the end of the day it's the 15th thing that matters. There’s a difference between “the 15th guy really doesn’t matter” and “Pickett is literally the worst player in the league and unplayable” And yet the Nuggets went 11-2 when he stunk up the court last season and lost his minutes. There's only so many spots available in the rotation. Every team in the league wants 15 guys who can step in and give you a good 15-20 minutes a night but it's just not realistic. Holiday is a fair critique. Westbrook's fit, betting on all 3 of Watson/CB/Stawther to play their roles well, Zeke's contract, and even MPJ are all things that you could argue hurt us. I'm personally fine with them but I see the other side. Turning MPJ into a starter + good bench piece makes us a lot deeper. Having another legitimate rotation player to go along with betting on the younger players would add some insurance and make this team better. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 16, 2024 0:47:00 GMT -5
Straw risking his body on a missed layup, was fouled no call. He’s starting to look angry that he’s in. This whole thing getting out of hand. Straw needs to and can play basketball. Basketball isnt dangerous |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 16, 2024 0:47:40 GMT -5
Zeke and Vlatko in for no good reason at all. Andrew Funk in over Spencer Jones. Zeke played alright. Dont mind him playing |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 16, 2024 0:52:27 GMT -5
41/21/48 are our shooting splits with 18 turnovers. Yikes. There are so many available guys who can just hit shots No idea why we went with Pickett and Tyson. Holiday is available for the min. Because our GM is insane. No other man would be okay with sabotaging one of the most unique athletes of all time |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 16, 2024 0:55:51 GMT -5
Only players who opened eyes tonight were Strawther and Nnaji. MPJ was fine in first half. Gordon too. But we expect that. This team needs to make moves. Yup. It’s scary how bad we look. So many random dudes who can help teams. We go out and sign unplayable guys. 25% of our roster is useless. Even during the Shaw years it wasn’t this bad And lets not kid outselvs, this is the reason die hards like JB only watched 5-10 minutes of pre season. People used to love pre season because we got an extended look at out exciting young guys. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 16, 2024 0:58:40 GMT -5
And prediction time. MPJ might make the allstar game before Murray. I think he has looked great and love all his interviews.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 16, 2024 1:06:00 GMT -5
If we underpreform this year, Malone gets the blame right?
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Post by famicommander on Oct 16, 2024 1:12:24 GMT -5
Zeke and Vlatko in for no good reason at all. Andrew Funk in over Spencer Jones. Zeke played alright. Dont mind him playing My point was that there was no reason for those two guys to be in there with the G-Leaguers in garbage time. Zeke played well today and if we're going to play Vlatko coming off his knee injury in meaningless preseason games they should play him with the rotation guys. We can't have more injuries than we already have and leaving dudes in during preseason garbage time to prove a point could horrifically backfire. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 16, 2024 1:16:01 GMT -5
Straw risking his body on a missed layup, was fouled no call. He’s starting to look angry that he’s in. This whole thing getting out of hand. Straw needs to and can play basketball. Basketball isnt dangerous Playing rotation guys with a bunch of exhibit-10 G-Leaguers and two-way guys desperately trying to make a roster in the waning minutes of a preseason blowout is dangerous and stupid. We need Strawther to play with and against other rotation quality players. We learn nothing about him watching him with Andrew Funk. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 16, 2024 1:58:37 GMT -5
Saric through 4 preseason games:
47.8% FG, 0.0% 3PT, 71.4% FT
Tyson last preseason:
38.6% FG, 28.6% 3PT, 100% FT
Tyson this preseason:
27.3% FG, 21.4% 3PT, 50.0% FT
Trey Alexander:
33.3% FG, 28.6% 3PT, 81.8% FT
I forgot how well Strawther played last preseason:
51.1% FG, 45.2% 3PT, 90.0% FT
Strawther this preseason:
50.0% FG, 44.4% 3PT, 64.3% FT
Christian Braun:
37.0% FG, 7.7% 3PT, 66.7% FT (he missed the whole preseason last year but these numbers are pretty close to his rookie preseason shooting splits)
Much like his Summer League stats, Pickett's preseason stats have fallen off a cliff compared to last year. Both 15.5 MPG sample sizes, 3 games this year versus 5 last year.
Pickett last year:
44.4% FG, 40.0% 3PT, (did not attempt a FT)
Pickett this year:
14.3% FG, 22.2% 3PT, 50.0% FT
He seems to be worse across the board this year than he was last year. His confidence is gone.
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Post by famicommander on Oct 16, 2024 2:18:44 GMT -5
Pick still better than Bronny though. Bronny through 4 games:
12.5% FG, 0.0% 3PT, 0 FTA
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Post by somborshuffle on Oct 16, 2024 5:18:10 GMT -5
It's glaringly obvious that this season will boil down to how Jamal performs.
He needs to have a career year and stay relatively injury free.
Unlikely?
But if he does I'm not fussed about how bad Tyson and Pickett look.
No doubt though that the guard depth is FO negligence.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 16, 2024 6:42:09 GMT -5
Zeke played alright. Dont mind him playing My point was that there was no reason for those two guys to be in there with the G-Leaguers in garbage time. Zeke played well today and if we're going to play Vlatko coming off his knee injury in meaningless preseason games they should play him with the rotation guys. We can't have more injuries than we already have and leaving dudes in during preseason garbage time to prove a point could horrifically backfire. The reason for me is to showcase Zeke |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 16, 2024 6:42:52 GMT -5
This whole thing getting out of hand. Straw needs to and can play basketball. Basketball isnt dangerous Playing rotation guys with a bunch of exhibit-10 G-Leaguers and two-way guys desperately trying to make a roster in the waning minutes of a preseason blowout is dangerous and stupid. We need Strawther to play with and against other rotation quality players. We learn nothing about him watching him with Andrew Funk. Dangerous lmao Its basketball ffs |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 16, 2024 6:43:55 GMT -5
Saric through 4 preseason games: 47.8% FG, 0.0% 3PT, 71.4% FT Tyson last preseason: 38.6% FG, 28.6% 3PT, 100% FT Tyson this preseason: 27.3% FG, 21.4% 3PT, 50.0% FT Trey Alexander: 33.3% FG, 28.6% 3PT, 81.8% FT I forgot how well Strawther played last preseason: 51.1% FG, 45.2% 3PT, 90.0% FT Strawther this preseason: 50.0% FG, 44.4% 3PT, 64.3% FT Christian Braun: 37.0% FG, 7.7% 3PT, 66.7% FT (he missed the whole preseason last year but these numbers are pretty close to his rookie preseason shooting splits) Much like his Summer League stats, Pickett's preseason stats have fallen off a cliff compared to last year. Both 15.5 MPG sample sizes, 3 games this year versus 5 last year. Pickett last year: 44.4% FG, 40.0% 3PT, (did not attempt a FT) Pickett this year: 14.3% FG, 22.2% 3PT, 50.0% FT He seems to be worse across the board this year than he was last year. His confidence is gone. Some people legit thought Braun could replace KCP shooting |
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Post by JB on Oct 16, 2024 7:39:17 GMT -5
turns out Zeke isn't the worst player in the NBA. turns out not getting locked into the 2nd Apron for Kentavious Wilson-Chandler will be a blessing in disguise now that Strawther is guaranteed real minutes at the position he's meant to play.
I'm here to preach calm to my NT brethren.
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