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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 16, 2024 8:16:40 GMT -5
One last thought from last night. Wjy did we stop running any actions after 2st quarter last night?
Like first quarter we'd run backs screens into pindowns to get MPJ open, or other actions to get us going down hill. After 1st quarter, and I get OKC ratcheted up the pressure, but we would just stand guys on the wing and try to pass to them. No movement to get people open. It's stuff like that, that makes me question Malones offensive chops. Like why go away from what's working, and then try and force Braun, Strawther, Trey, and AG to create 1 on 1, like that's not fair to them imo. UNLESS, they didn't want to keep showing their hand since we have then game 1??
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Post by snakemonkey on Oct 16, 2024 9:02:38 GMT -5
One last thought from last night. Wjy did we stop running any actions after 2st quarter last night? Like first quarter we'd run backs screens into pindowns to get MPJ open, or other actions to get us going down hill. After 1st quarter, and I get OKC ratcheted up the pressure, but we would just stand guys on the wing and try to pass to them. No movement to get people open. It's stuff like that, that makes me question Malones offensive chops. Like why go away from what's working, and then try and force Braun, Strawther, Trey, and AG to create 1 on 1, like that's not fair to them imo. UNLESS, they didn't want to keep showing their hand since we have then game 1?? They just didn't have the guard play to get into offense |
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Post by snakemonkey on Oct 16, 2024 9:04:04 GMT -5
I guess argument is it forces Strawther and Alexander to get those reps. I think both bit in over their head but if they hit there then Denver is rolling. Alexander is raw but he looks like solid 3rd PG, get him on 15 man Strawther is simply not a point guard. He's a 2/3. Trey has potential but he doesn't look ready to help us right away. Ya he's not but he's the 3rd best PG on thos roster. And the top 2 have injury and volatility issues so it is smart to get Strawther ready at PG. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 16, 2024 9:12:49 GMT -5
turns out not getting locked into the 2nd Apron for Kentavious Wilson-Chandler will be a blessing in disguise now that Strawther is guaranteed real minutes at the position he's meant to play. Lmao whaat, Strawther got minutes last season before he got injured. Malone loves him and he is even better now Whats your obsession with this team being as fragile as possible lmao NT brethen lmao |
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Post by Dante on Oct 16, 2024 9:21:46 GMT -5
What's the difference between having random Ish Smith's and Justin Holiday's of the world on vet minimums every single year as your 3rd string options and giving unproven college guys like Tyson and Pickett 3 year deals other than Malone would rather play those 3rd string players over supposed to be 2nd unit development projects like Julian and Pwat?
The riff between Malone and Booth vision and how they view the path of winning is glaring different.
We would all love to have Monte/Holiday random type of vet minimum guys over Pickett and Tyson, but if that comes at the cost of Julian and Pwat getting less minutes, development time and long term vision, it's hard to argue one over the other. In the perfect world it would be the best to have those type of vets over Pickett/Tyson type especially during Jokic prime, but only use them in case of injury. It's tough to comprehend that the riff between Josh/Booth/Malone actually started during the NBA finals when Booth decided to make that trade and announced the path of the future for this team while it was quite clear to everyone that Malone is not the type of coach that would oblige to that vision.
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Post by JB on Oct 16, 2024 9:29:48 GMT -5
turns out not getting locked into the 2nd Apron for Kentavious Wilson-Chandler will be a blessing in disguise now that Strawther is guaranteed real minutes at the position he's meant to play. Lmao whaat, Strawther got minutes last season before he got injured. Malone loves him and he is even better now Whats your obsession with this team being as fragile as possible lmao NT brethen lmao when Malone "Facus" a vet, e.g. sticking with Pope over Braun even though Edwards rag dolled him the entire series, I typically want that vet off the roster. Strawther got 80% of his minutes last season at SF when he's better suited at SG. bottom line: Pope on the roster means Strawther is not getting developed at his full potential. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 16, 2024 10:11:38 GMT -5
One last thought from last night. Wjy did we stop running any actions after 2st quarter last night? Like first quarter we'd run backs screens into pindowns to get MPJ open, or other actions to get us going down hill. After 1st quarter, and I get OKC ratcheted up the pressure, but we would just stand guys on the wing and try to pass to them. No movement to get people open. It's stuff like that, that makes me question Malones offensive chops. Like why go away from what's working, and then try and force Braun, Strawther, Trey, and AG to create 1 on 1, like that's not fair to them imo. UNLESS, they didn't want to keep showing their hand since we have then game 1?? They just didn't have the guard play to get into offense That's a cop out, because AG brought ball up 1st Quarter and we stopped doing that, we also stopped running action for Mike and simply would pass and ball screen or DHO, but nothing extra. That's crap offense. Just to make my point clear. Having our wing stand on the wing and not move and have Braun or Strawther bring it up and try to pass to them when they're being denied doesn't work. How about action to get the wing open to start the offense, that was my critique against Malone, like we did that early then stopped doing it. |
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Post by snakemonkey on Oct 16, 2024 10:45:22 GMT -5
They just didn't have the guard play to get into offense That's a cop out, because AG brought ball up 1st Quarter and we stopped doing that, we also stopped running action for Mike and simply would pass and ball screen or DHO, but nothing extra. That's crap offense. Just to make my point clear. Having our wing stand on the wing and not move and have Braun or Strawther bring it up and try to pass to them when they're being denied doesn't work. How about action to get the wing open to start the offense, that was my critique against Malone, like we did that early then stopped doing it. I mean just cause it works sometimes doesn't mean it will all 48. Initiating offense without a PG isn't easy, but it was definitely nice to see some of the different looks with AG Strawther Alexander going vs probably best perimeter defense in league. They have a pretty glaring hole at guard but them using AG and Strawther there heavily is a good sign. The roster is what it is at this point, Denver will have to play big and hope Watson AG Strawther Braun can step up and help jamal and russ. |
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Post by snakemonkey on Oct 16, 2024 10:46:33 GMT -5
What's the difference between having random Ish Smith's and Justin Holiday's of the world on vet minimums every single year as your 3rd string options and giving unproven college guys like Tyson and Pickett 3 year deals other than Malone would rather play those 3rd string players over supposed to be 2nd unit development projects like Julian and Pwat? The riff between Malone and Booth vision and how they view the path of winning is glaring different. We would all love to have Monte/Holiday random type of vet minimum guys over Pickett and Tyson, but if that comes at the cost of Julian and Pwat getting less minutes, development time and long term vision, it's hard to argue one over the other. In the perfect world it would be the best to have those type of vets over Pickett/Tyson type especially during Jokic prime, but only use them in case of injury. It's tough to comprehend that the riff between Josh/Booth/Malone actually started during the NBA finals when Booth decided to make that trade and announced the path of the future for this team while it was quite clear to everyone that Malone is not the type of coach that would oblige to that vision. Watson played ahead of holiday all year it was only in playoffs that holiday passed him. Now they just won't have any options on bench in playoffs or perimeter Hunter tyson 11th man is bananas |
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Post by snakemonkey on Oct 16, 2024 10:52:17 GMT -5
Has Vlatko got any run at the 3 in preseason? With their lack of wing depth thought we'd get a look with him there. But nnaji or saric playing PF makes Vlatko at SF pretty clunky
Feel pretty good about the up front rotation the roster is set up to rest Jokic this year. MPJ looks like a monster, DJ Saric Nnaji can all eat minutes vs a variety of matchups
Plus Watson likely gained some size he can play 4.
Jokic MPJ AG all on 32 Mins this year, 48 mins to split amongst Watson, Saric, Nnaji, Vlatko, DJ
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Post by famicommander on Oct 16, 2024 13:34:21 GMT -5
turns out Zeke isn't the worst player in the NBA. turns out not getting locked into the 2nd Apron for Kentavious Wilson-Chandler will be a blessing in disguise now that Strawther is guaranteed real minutes at the position he's meant to play. I'm here to preach calm to my NT brethren. Zeke does this all the time in the preseason. Career in the preseason: .505% FG, .444 3PT, .714 FT, positive assist to TO ratio, PER over 17 Career in the regular season: .512 FG, .370 3PT, .662 FT, negative assist to TO ratio, PER under 13 And again, Strawther's numbers this preseason are basically identical to his numbers from last preseason. Strawther last preseason: 51.1% FG, 45.2% 3PT, 90.0% FT Strawther this preseason: 50.0% FG, 44.4% 3PT, 64.3% FT We talkin' about PRACTICE. Of course it's better that Zeke and Strawther are playing well than it would be if they were playing poorly in preseason... but it's preseason and we've seen this movie before. |
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Post by rock on Oct 16, 2024 13:54:37 GMT -5
There’s a difference between “the 15th guy really doesn’t matter” and “Pickett is literally the worst player in the league and unplayable” And yet the Nuggets went 11-2 when he stunk up the court last season and lost his minutes. There's only so many spots available in the rotation. Every team in the league wants 15 guys who can step in and give you a good 15-20 minutes a night but it's just not realistic. Holiday is a fair critique. Westbrook's fit, betting on all 3 of Watson/CB/Stawther to play their roles well, Zeke's contract, and even MPJ are all things that you could argue hurt us. I'm personally fine with them but I see the other side. Turning MPJ into a starter + good bench piece makes us a lot deeper. Having another legitimate rotation player to go along with betting on the younger players would add some insurance and make this team better. First that 11-2 record doesn’t mean anything. I’m sure he got subbed into garbage time most of those games Second I’m not asking for 15 good players on the roster. I know that’s not realistic. But Pickett is UNPLAYABLE. It would be like the nuggets signing Nate McKinnon and John elway for the last two spots. It’s a complete waste. There are many veterans available for the min who can actually step up and give us 5-10 minutes here or there where it’s not a complete and utter disaster every time |
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Post by rock on Oct 16, 2024 13:55:37 GMT -5
If we underpreform this year, Malone gets the blame right? I won’t but he could be on the hot seat. Booth has put him in a really tough spot |
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Post by rock on Oct 16, 2024 13:56:55 GMT -5
Saric through 4 preseason games: 47.8% FG, 0.0% 3PT, 71.4% FT Tyson last preseason: 38.6% FG, 28.6% 3PT, 100% FT Tyson this preseason: 27.3% FG, 21.4% 3PT, 50.0% FT Trey Alexander: 33.3% FG, 28.6% 3PT, 81.8% FT I forgot how well Strawther played last preseason: 51.1% FG, 45.2% 3PT, 90.0% FT Strawther this preseason: 50.0% FG, 44.4% 3PT, 64.3% FT Christian Braun: 37.0% FG, 7.7% 3PT, 66.7% FT (he missed the whole preseason last year but these numbers are pretty close to his rookie preseason shooting splits) Much like his Summer League stats, Pickett's preseason stats have fallen off a cliff compared to last year. Both 15.5 MPG sample sizes, 3 games this year versus 5 last year. Pickett last year: 44.4% FG, 40.0% 3PT, (did not attempt a FT) Pickett this year: 14.3% FG, 22.2% 3PT, 50.0% FT He seems to be worse across the board this year than he was last year. His confidence is gone.[/quote Just lol at some of those fg%. These aren’t even considered “bad” It’s like a mlb batter hitting .080 or something. You just don’t see numbers like this at the top level. |
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Post by rock on Oct 16, 2024 13:57:51 GMT -5
turns out Zeke isn't the worst player in the NBA. turns out not getting locked into the 2nd Apron for Kentavious Wilson-Chandler will be a blessing in disguise now that Strawther is guaranteed real minutes at the position he's meant to play. I'm here to preach calm to my NT brethren. Zeke isn’t because of Tyson and Pickett But ngl it’s really nice seeing Zeke play well. Hope it translates into the regular season |
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Oct 16, 2024 15:51:04 GMT -5
I’m not asking for 15 good players on the roster.... But Pickett is UNPLAYABLE... a complete waste. There are many veterans available for the min who can actually step up and give us 5-10 minutes here or there where it’s not a complete and utter disaster every time More generally, my thoughts on what a championship roster has to look like: (1) A top player or tandem that can put a team on its back and really be better than the other team in crunch time in game 7. We have that with Jokic, and the Jokic/Murray 2MG (2) An 8-9 man rotation that's "built for 16", that can keep up with other teams in the playoffs where maybe everyone is playing heavier minutes than in the RS but it's still sustainable. I think the Nuggets have this as well -- Jamal/CB/MPJ/AG/Joker + Russ/Strawther/PWat/Saric I think is good enough to at least plausibly win 4 playoff series. (3) 3 more playable veterans on the roster who play different positions, who can soak minutes here and there, maybe play an expanded role if a key player goes down for 10 games, but who you're not expecting much out of in the playoffs. I think DeAndre is that kind of player, and either Zeke or Vlatko *could* be, but this is really where the Nuggets don't have enough. We don't have a 12th man who is a playable backup combo guard. We could use an Ish Smith type who is like, hey, if we have to give this guy burn because Jamal or Strawther is going to miss some games, he's at least not going to be the reason for losing every game. (4) the remainder of the roster filled with developmental players who know it's not their time and veteran leaders who are good practice and locker-room guys. I think this is fine -- having guys like Pickett, Tyson, Trey, Hall, and (injured) DaRon is pretty normal even for a contending team. The problem is just, as noted in the above point, that we get into this group of guys one player too early, and are lacking a playable replacement guard. So we really have to hope that one of Pickett or Trey actually develops really quick in the G-league, or else that we can flip somebody somehow, or even cut someone and sign a trash-heap veteran if the need arises. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 16, 2024 15:57:06 GMT -5
Don't count your chickens before they hatch is all I'm saying with Strawther and Zeke.
Zeke is historically a preseason killer and Strawther's numbers are damn near identical to last year's preseason.
And Saric has looked impressive for a 3 minute stretch of one game so far this preseason. Otherwise I think he's looked unengaged and I think Malone has noticed it too. He might be a year or two past his usefulness like Reggie was when we got him.
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Post by JB on Oct 16, 2024 16:08:07 GMT -5
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Post by famicommander on Oct 16, 2024 16:09:58 GMT -5
Saric wasn't that impressive last year in Golden State either. His defense was about two steps above Hunter Tyson level, which is still... yikes. If he hits threes he'll be worth it. If he doesn't hit threes we'll probably end up running AG as 2C in the playoffs again. My main point was that I think Saric was one of the main targets of Malone's conditioning rant. Not encouraging that he'd show up out of shape even after playing international ball this summer and moving to a new team. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 16, 2024 17:24:49 GMT -5
Ramona Shelburne reported today that Jokic told her he only took a week off after the Olympics and basically he said he never wants to let himself get out of shape again. He doesn't want to rubber band between in-shape and out of shape every offseason.
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