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Post by snakemonkey on Oct 19, 2024 18:35:57 GMT -5
Knicks waive Landry Shamet, a swing guard with a career .384 mark from the 3 point line. I like the fit. He can defend a bit |
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Post by inyourmind on Oct 19, 2024 18:39:42 GMT -5
Minnesota just had their 2nd most successful season ever and the most successful season they've had in 20 years after a trade 90% of the basketball world ripped on. Including giving our franchise one of the most embarrassing moments we've ever had.
I agree the Randle trade was a downgrade and obviously the Gobert trade is the reason why it happens because of the $$$. I liked the Gobert trade given the Wolves expectations and given the fact that the Nuggets looked like the team to beat in the West. The reality is the Nuggets aren't the only team to worry about anymore. Minny can't build a roster to just match up with us.
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Post by rock on Oct 19, 2024 19:05:21 GMT -5
I obviously never hid my disdain for TC as a GM which was supported by the fact that we won a title the very first season he left
As a person I’m sure he’s great. That’s always been his thing - being overly nice and accommodating. Often at the expense of our teams success. So I’m not surprised how he handled the KAT situation.
But let’s be honest, he passed on jokic twice and was one more miss from building a 35 win lottery team. He didn’t exactly create a dynasty here.
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Post by inyourmind on Oct 19, 2024 19:43:13 GMT -5
I don't really care about TC anymore. I've said it in the past but I think it's pretty obvious he didn't have a ton of power here. I think the moves made post TC would have been similar had he stayed outside of the draft stuff. KCP move was happening no matter what IMO. TC had major connections with Washington and I'm sure they were scouting KCP for longer than a month or whatever the time difference was. TC wouldn't have been welcomed back if he wanted to say if there was such a difference in the vision for the team.
I do think it's hard to argue that he hasn't been successful with Minny. The Nuggets made multiple championship moves when he was here as well. Gordon trade, sticking Murray at PG when alot of teams had him as a SG, drafting MPJ etc.
OKC has no answer for Jokic but that's the team I'm worried about. They've had a ton of assets and as they continue to grow they could be pretty scary.
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Post by scooter on Oct 20, 2024 10:25:49 GMT -5
My take on Connelly is similar to my take on Booth: 1) The Nuggets don’t have a Pat Riley and Nuggets’ managerial decisions are more of a committee function, and now that Josh Kroenke is very experienced he’s going to have a significant role in major decisions, having played Div. I college basketball and having plenty of opinions about basketball; 2) Sports are the core business for Nuggets’ ownership and they don’t treat their teams as a toy like some sports owners, so financial considerations are a real factor.
My view of Connelly is that he did a good job overall — he was especially good at the PR and professionalism/culture building aspects of the job which was important considering that he took it in 2013 when the team had major culture and professionalism and PR problems. On basketball decisions, the Connelly FO had a mix of big hits and big misses. Overall, he gets a B from me for his Nuggets’ tenure.
It seems like he’s done a good job with the TWolves and unfortunately for him he’s doing that while dealing with an ownership mess. They are a contender. I disagree with criticism of trading KAT, especially when it’s based primarily on defending Jokic well in one playoff series (a POV) which is full of recency bias and small sample size bias. There is very good evidence that Edwards in particular and maybe other players there didn’t like KAT and a team needs to mind its chemistry if it wants to have a stretch of contending that’s more than just one season.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 20, 2024 10:31:20 GMT -5
TC can both build a champion level team, and trade guys in the most respectful way possible.
Top man
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Post by JB on Oct 20, 2024 10:35:55 GMT -5
My take on Connelly is similar to my take on Booth: 1) The Nuggets don’t have a Pat Riley and Nuggets’ managerial decisions are more of a committee function, and now that Josh Kroenke is very experienced he’s going to have a significant role in major decisions, having played Div. I college basketball and having plenty of opinions about basketball; 2) Sports are the core business for Nuggets’ ownership and they don’t treat their teams as a toy like some sports owners, so financial considerations are a real factor. My view of Connelly is that he did a good job overall — he was especially good at the PR and professionalism/culture building aspects of the job which was important considering that he took it in 2013 when the team had major culture and professionalism and PR problems. On basketball decisions, the Connelly FO had a mix of big hits and big misses. Overall, he gets a B from me for his Nuggets’ tenure. It seems like he’s done a good job with the TWolves and unfortunately for him he’s doing that while dealing with an ownership mess. They are a contender. I disagree with criticism of trading KAT, especially when it’s based primarily on defending Jokic well in one playoff series (a POV) which is full of recency bias and small sample size bias. There is very good evidence that Edwards in particular and maybe other players there didn’t like KAT and a team needs to mind its chemistry if it wants to have a stretch of contending that’s more than just one season. this is the first I'm hearing that Edwards didn't like KAT you may be thinking about Jimmy Butler. while it's true that KAT defending Jokic well doesn't make him Hakeem or Deke, it's also true that the Wolves are not winning a championship without going through the Nuggets and the KAT-to-Randle downgrade makes them an easier matchup for us on both ends of the floor. |
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Post by Butterman on Oct 20, 2024 15:28:51 GMT -5
TC can both build a champion level team, and trade guys in the most respectful way possible. Top man edit: please keep this kind of stuff off the board |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 20, 2024 17:24:00 GMT -5
2024 when giving people the credit they deserve is tasting their testicles. Strange how the world is falling apart
Too meny buttermen and joggingbaboons
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Post by JB on Oct 20, 2024 17:29:13 GMT -5
for the record I only liked that post because I knew it would trigger you.
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Post by freakns on Oct 21, 2024 2:03:53 GMT -5
season starts in few days... is Jimijam banned?
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Post by scooter on Oct 21, 2024 11:34:38 GMT -5
while it's true that KAT defending Jokic well doesn't make him Hakeem or Deke, it's also true that the Wolves are not winning a championship without going through the Nuggets and the KAT-to-Randle downgrade makes them an easier matchup for us on both ends of the floor. Maybe right now, but big picture I don’t think KAT is a particularly good defensive player. A couple of weeks of good defense in a particular playoff matchup don’t make for an impactful defender. And while he is a gifted shooter and scorer, I don’t think he has as big of an impact on winning as one would think in light of his physical gifts and skills. He just doesn’t seem like a very smart or strategic or disciplined player. I don’t know for a fact that there is friction between KAT and Edwards. I just remember the times when it seemed like he didn’t command the respect of teammates and coaches one would expect from a player of his caliber. At the end of the home game the TWolves lost to the Hornets despite 62 from KAT, it seemed like Chris Finch wasn’t the only guy giving KAT the cold shoulder regarding his lack of defense and continued chucking in the 2nd half after his shooting efficiency had cooled off. There were at least a few defensive possessions where teammates gave him a look (or more) after he failed to rotate or offer any help defense. And in that game, KAT had 7 turnovers against only 2 assists. Maybe its not Edwards in particular but I’ve just had the impression for quite a while that KAT isn’t exactly a beloved figure in the TWolves’ locker room. |
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Post by rock on Oct 21, 2024 18:39:44 GMT -5
Watching free agents get signed/extended for non max (reasonable) deals makes me jealous. Wish we had a competent front office. Instead we over pay everyone and give them all player options.
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Post by rock on Oct 21, 2024 20:25:23 GMT -5
Watching free agents get signed/extended for non max (reasonable) deals makes me jealous. Wish we had a competent front office. Instead we over pay everyone and give them all player options. Lol and 5 minutes later we max AG. We spent years being extra accommodating and nice to every free player, agent and team and our reward is being taken advantage of and overpaying everyone. We don’t get a single deal But houston, Orlando, Dallas, New York, etc somehow can all get deals |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 21, 2024 20:27:59 GMT -5
Watching free agents get signed/extended for non max (reasonable) deals makes me jealous. Wish we had a competent front office. Instead we over pay everyone and give them all player options. Lol and 5 minutes later we max AG. We spent years being extra accommodating and nice to every free player, agent and team and our reward is being taken advantage of and overpaying everyone. We don’t get a single deal But houston, Orlando, Dallas, New York, etc somehow can all get deals He opted in for 23M for next season. That's a significant discount for us that pushes any possible 2nd apron clock back another year. |
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Post by rock on Oct 21, 2024 20:31:13 GMT -5
Lol and 5 minutes later we max AG. We spent years being extra accommodating and nice to every free player, agent and team and our reward is being taken advantage of and overpaying everyone. We don’t get a single deal But houston, Orlando, Dallas, New York, etc somehow can all get deals He opted in for 23M for next season. That's a significant discount for us that pushes any possible 2nd apron clock back another year. Yeah I thought I read somewhere he got maxed |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 21, 2024 20:53:52 GMT -5
He opted in for 23M for next season. That's a significant discount for us that pushes any possible 2nd apron clock back another year. Yeah I thought I read somewhere he got maxed He's more or less getting his max for years 2 and 3 (and 4 if he opts in), he just did us a huge favor for year 1. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 22, 2024 9:38:06 GMT -5
Lol and 5 minutes later we max AG. We spent years being extra accommodating and nice to every free player, agent and team and our reward is being taken advantage of and overpaying everyone. We don’t get a single deal But houston, Orlando, Dallas, New York, etc somehow can all get deals He opted in for 23M for next season. That's a significant discount for us that pushes any possible 2nd apron clock back another year. I cant wait for us as FANS to reap the benefit of the nuggets being under the 2nd apron |
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Post by rock on Oct 22, 2024 10:03:06 GMT -5
He opted in for 23M for next season. That's a significant discount for us that pushes any possible 2nd apron clock back another year. I cant wait for us as FANS to reap the benefit of the nuggets being under the 2nd apron I mean, wont we? doesnt being under the 2nd apron give us a better chance at improving? which would be a benefit to us |
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Post by JB on Oct 22, 2024 10:10:53 GMT -5
there are significant and severe penalties for 2nd apron teams.
imagine instead of declining to re-sign a 32 year old 3&D role player that provided neither threes nor defense in the playoffs, we traded Jamal Murray for Brad Beal or Jordan f***ing Poole.
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