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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 2, 2024 11:56:03 GMT -5
Windhorst made comment today that Jamal Murray still hasn't signed his extension, and that he thought that was interesting. Could just be smoke, but the vibes around this team are not good right now. He probably knows that the Nuggets will suck and is thinking about ways to get on another team where he will have a shot at another title and have more fun playing. Playing with Jokic and part-timers Porter and Gordon and the gang of chumps ain't gonna be fun, so he wants to find a place where he can have some fun and might even win a few. |
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Post by Ring on Jul 2, 2024 11:56:17 GMT -5
Because we can't get rid of MPJ so life as a Nuggets fan is depressing and we need to vent/complain. Again, I want Murray on the team. All I'm asking for him to do is get in f***ing shape. You give him no credit for getting his physical shape back sufficiently in his first year back from ACL surgery to help carry us to a championship. New York sports fans are insufferable. If we are going to give credit to people for doing their job, nobody deserves more credit than I do. Just an absolutely ridiculous take. Murray had 2 offseasons off to get his ACL back to standard. AKA more time than literally every other athlete that plays sports. I would hope with all of that he'd be able to get his ACL in shape. You guys are talking like he came back early. The guy had 18 months off! |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 2, 2024 11:57:00 GMT -5
Let me translate those 2 very telling sentences. “We’re trying to be better than everyone else, but we have no idea how and we’re still trying to figure that out.” F’ing wow. Doesn’t seem like other teams are having trouble. As a life long fan this is depressing to hear/read. The team I’ve loved for so long is falling apart right in front of our faces and there’s nothing we can do. And this was supposed to be our best years. Even talking about dynasties. It hurts. It’s just sports but it still hurts. As they say in poker, read 'em and weep 'em. This team is done at least for the next 15 years. |
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Post by Ring on Jul 2, 2024 11:57:44 GMT -5
Ouff you are saying that Murray is better than Mitchell? Without Jokic? Jamal had a minus ws/48 during this playoff run and even with that weighing down his career average, it's still considerably higher than Mitchell. I have more faith in Jamal beating a team like the 2023 Knicks than Mitchell winning a championship as a 1B. he's an empty stats guy Mitchell has been a #1 option on every single team he's played on. Murray has never been that and if he was the team wouldn't sniff the playoffs. We need to be realistic, Jesus. |
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Post by Ring on Jul 2, 2024 11:58:34 GMT -5
Windhorst made comment today that Jamal Murray still hasn't signed his extension, and that he thought that was interesting. Could just be smoke, but the vibes around this team are not good right now. He probably knows that the Nuggets will suck and is thinking about ways to get on another team where he will have a shot at another title and have more fun playing. Playing with Jokic and part-timers Porter and Gordon and the gang of chumps ain't gonna be fun, so he wants to find a place where he can have some fun and might even win a few. No. He thinks he is going to make an All Star team or an All NBA team to unlock a supermax. It's the correct advice from his agent. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 2, 2024 11:59:11 GMT -5
I am against trading Jamal because there is no better realistic option to upgrade. But on the same note i am SO against that extension it's not even funny. At this point even MPJ, idk is there a team with 2 players that we can brake that contract into and not lose a beat. Lauri Markannen is rumored to Spurs and the price is way higher than just MPJ. I doubt that MPJ value alone can give us anything back of a decent value. Maybe Bogdanovic/Hunter combination from the Hawks, but i also doubt they accept that without picks added. In reality our highest paid players value around the league is nowhere near the same as we think it is. Their value is in playing with Jokic and feasting on his gravity. There will be no team that would take MPJ as other GMs are smarter than that. Why trade for a guy who only scores once every four games and totally chokes when it comes to games 6 and 7 in a crucial playoff series. Some team might take on MPJ, if they can get him for three wet mop guys and four used basketballs. |
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Post by JB on Jul 2, 2024 12:00:11 GMT -5
Jamal had a minus ws/48 during this playoff run and even with that weighing down his career average, it's still considerably higher than Mitchell. I have more faith in Jamal beating a team like the 2023 Knicks than Mitchell winning a championship as a 1B. he's an empty stats guy Mitchell has been a #1 option on every single team he's played on. Murray has never been that and if he was the team wouldn't sniff the playoffs. We need to be realistic, Jesus. the East is a joke where any team with a pulse can get in and Donovan Mitchell is an empty stat chucker and playoff loser, just like Carmelo Kyam Anthony. not even Jokic can fix that. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 2, 2024 12:02:40 GMT -5
Wolves are nothing now. OKC are a bigger threat. They always had the better offense and equipped to defend Murray. But now we've lost our biggest advantage against them which was size. With the addition of Thompson, the Mavs would kick Denver's collective ass out of any arena, especially with Denver's part-time shooters, Porter and Gordon. So, add another team to your list of teams that pose a serious threat to Denver's weak ass team. |
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Post by Ring on Jul 2, 2024 12:04:37 GMT -5
no Ring, put Jamal on the Kings with Jokic jr and they're making the play-in and beating a cooked Warriors team and annihilating the fukking Pelicans. put him on the Cavs and he's also capable of beating a Knicks team where RJ BARRETT WAS THE SECOND OPTION I don't agree with that at all. They probsbly aren't making the playoffs in those situations. Murray is incapable of creating good shots for himself without Jokic. Not sure why people can't acknowledge this. It's the same reason why Murray is inconsistent. When your game relies on you taking and making tough shots, you will never be consistent because high difficulty shots are just that...high difficulty. And even the best high difficulty shot makers aren't making those shots at a 50% clip. |
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Post by Ring on Jul 2, 2024 12:05:31 GMT -5
Mitchell has been a #1 option on every single team he's played on. Murray has never been that and if he was the team wouldn't sniff the playoffs. We need to be realistic, Jesus. the East is a joke where any team with a pulse can get in and Donovan Mitchell is an empty stat chucker and playoff loser, just like Melo. not even Jokic can fix that. There is an argument that the East is better than the West right now. The top of the East is definitely better. Boston/NY/Philly > OKC/Minny/Denver (I hope?) |
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Post by JB on Jul 2, 2024 12:07:25 GMT -5
you know fellas, Jamal is perfectly capable of developing an effective 2 man game with Sabonis which would probably give them more success than they're currently enjoying.
I've said this many times before, but it's unfortunate Sabonis is going to spend his career in Jokic's shadow. he averaged exactly 0.8 less assist per game than Joker last season.
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Post by Ring on Jul 2, 2024 12:18:15 GMT -5
you know fellas, Jamal is perfectly capable of developing an effective 2 man game with Sabonis which would probably give them more success than they're currently enjoying. I've said this many times before, but it's unfortunate Sabonis is going to spend his career in Jokic's shadow. he averaged exactly 0.8 less assist per game than Joker last season. Who is to say that Fox wouldn't make the Nuggets better? Imagine Jokic getting to play with the fastest guard in the league that constantly pressures the rim? Two sides to that coin. |
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Post by JB on Jul 2, 2024 12:20:10 GMT -5
fair enough. I like Fox more than Mitchell, I'll say that much.
good place to end this discussion.
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Post by game on Jul 2, 2024 12:21:44 GMT -5
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 2, 2024 12:21:57 GMT -5
Jamal had a minus ws/48 during this playoff run and even with that weighing down his career average, it's still considerably higher than Mitchell. I have more faith in Jamal beating a team like the 2023 Knicks than Mitchell winning a championship as a 1B. he's an empty stats guy Mitchell has been a #1 option on every single team he's played on. Murray has never been that and if he was the team wouldn't sniff the playoffs. We need to be realistic, Jesus. We have all seen the nuggets games without Jokic |
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Post by sawyeral on Jul 2, 2024 12:38:17 GMT -5
you know fellas, Jamal is perfectly capable of developing an effective 2 man game with Sabonis which would probably give them more success than they're currently enjoying. I've said this many times before, but it's unfortunate Sabonis is going to spend his career in Jokic's shadow. he averaged exactly 0.8 less assist per game than Joker last season. You've been on a roll lately, but I can't get behind this at all. Sabonis does not affect the game the way Jokic does. He's a fine player, but he is firmly and rightly seen as several tiers below an all time great. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jul 2, 2024 12:44:31 GMT -5
Wolves are nothing now. OKC are a bigger threat. They always had the better offense and equipped to defend Murray. But now we've lost our biggest advantage against them which was size. With the addition of Thompson, the Mavs would kick Denver's collective ass out of any arena, especially with Denver's part-time shooters, Porter and Gordon. So, add another team to your list of teams that pose a serious threat to Denver's weak ass team. I don't even think Thompson is as good as DJJ. He also can't guard anymore. So not the upgrade you think it is. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jul 2, 2024 12:47:17 GMT -5
you know fellas, Jamal is perfectly capable of developing an effective 2 man game with Sabonis which would probably give them more success than they're currently enjoying. I've said this many times before, but it's unfortunate Sabonis is going to spend his career in Jokic's shadow. he averaged exactly 0.8 less assist per game than Joker last season. I really like sabonis, but he's not the finisher Jokic is and Alit his assists come off of simple handoffs. He's doesn't throw people ope. Like Jokic does. He's also a horrible defender much worse then Jok. Murray is also not a good defender. SAC I'm that situation would possibly be worst defense in West. |
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Post by JB on Jul 2, 2024 12:49:39 GMT -5
you know fellas, Jamal is perfectly capable of developing an effective 2 man game with Sabonis which would probably give them more success than they're currently enjoying. I've said this many times before, but it's unfortunate Sabonis is going to spend his career in Jokic's shadow. he averaged exactly 0.8 less assist per game than Joker last season. You've been on a roll lately, but I can't get behind this at all. Sabonis does not affect the game the way Jokic does. He's a fine player, but he is firmly and rightly seen as several tiers below an all time great. we can agree to disagree but I'm arguing my hypothetical Kings team is good enough to make the play-in and beat the Warriors/Pelicans, not contend for a championship. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jul 2, 2024 12:56:25 GMT -5
I don't agree with that at all. They probsbly aren't making the playoffs in those situations. Murray is incapable of creating good shots for himself without Jokic. Not sure why people can't acknowledge this. It's the same reason why Murray is inconsistent. When your game relies on you taking and making tough shots, you will never be consistent because high difficulty shots are just that...high difficulty. And even the best high difficulty shot makers aren't making those shots at a 50% clip. I don't think people understand how little Jamal gets to the rim. And how that hurts the overall offense. We have no rim threats honestly outside of Jokic. |
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