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Post by wizardofcozz on Jul 2, 2024 10:35:45 GMT -5
Lol they are even choosing houston over us at this point Who? |
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Post by rock on Jul 2, 2024 10:36:06 GMT -5
Jamal signs that extension you can forget about AG getting a new deal. He will be next in line to leave and get paid by some team on the rise like KCP did with Magic. 3 max players in this new CBA is simply a death sentence. This is why I hate these new rules. So our choices are bad and even worse? If we let him walk we get nothing in return and cannot replace him. The rules force us to pay him and thus sacrifice other players |
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Post by JB on Jul 2, 2024 10:36:19 GMT -5
when you lose the Pelicans sans Zion in the play-in, it's entirely fair. when you play in the East on a stacked Cavs team where the Pascal Siakam led Pacers just had a conference finals run, it's entirely fair. you have endless excuses for those two.
I give Jamal a pass because I'm a Nugget fan and I watched Jamal Murray-level players fall apart in the playoffs for 9/10 seasons. I know you hopped on the bandwagon after the Gallo trade so it's not the same for you, but what Jamal is capable of doing in the playoffs relative to his talent level is unprecedented. it's not all fatman magic either, 2023 Ring would call 2024 Ring an irrational hater for suggesting it is.
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Post by rock on Jul 2, 2024 10:37:48 GMT -5
Lol they are even choosing houston over us at this point Who? I mis read the tweet. My bad. Thought it said “likely” |
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Post by Ring on Jul 2, 2024 10:41:53 GMT -5
when you lose the Pelicans sans Zion in the play-in, it's entirely fair. when you play in the East on a stacked Cavs team where the Pascal Siakam led Pacers just had a conference finals run, it's entirely fair. you have endless excuses for those two. I give Jamal a pass because I'm a Nugget fan and I watched Jamal Murray-level players fall apart in the playoffs for 10 consecutive seasons. I know you hopped on the bandwagon after the Gallo trade so it's not the same for you, but what Jamal is capable of doing in the playoffs relative to his talent level is unprecedented. it's not all fatman magic either, 2023 Ring would call 2024 Ring an irrational hater for suggesting it is. If you put Murray on those same Kings/Cavs teams the results are the same, if not worse. We can't pretend like Murray is a better player than those guys because he isn't. We've seen every single player who plays with Jokic play at a higher level than their norm and then when they leave it gets worse. Why would we think the same wouldn't be true of other elite guards? Mitchell you can't even use the playoff excuse because his playoff numbers are also better than Murrays. You're giving Murray a pass because you've been used to s**t. Stop giving him a pass for that. Nikola Jokic is on the Denver Nuggets. You can argue fairly he's one of the 5 best players to ever touch a basketball. Stop accepting mediocrity and guys under-performing. Stop accepting them coming into every season being out of shape. Be fair with your analysis. You can be completely fair and just say you trust Murray come playoff time but he had a really bad playoff run and you don't think that will happen again. We don't have to ignore it or pretend like there are outside reasons as to why he struggled. It was his first time going up against elite defenders since the bubble LAC run (where he was extremely up and down) and his lack of getting easy buckets/getting to the line got exposed. Also I want to make it clear that I want MPJ off the team. Murray I want on the team, I just want him to start treating his body like a professional athlete should. |
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Post by JB on Jul 2, 2024 10:43:44 GMT -5
no Ring, put Jamal on the Kings with Jokic jr and they're making the play-in and beating a cooked Warriors team and annihilating the fukking Pelicans.
put him on the Cavs and he's also capable of beating a Knicks team where RJ BARRETT WAS THE SECOND OPTION
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Post by Ring on Jul 2, 2024 10:53:25 GMT -5
no Ring, put Jamal on the Kings with Jokic jr and they're making the play-in and they're capable of beating a cooked Warriors team and annihilating the fukking Pelicans. he's also capable of going on a run in the East on a stacked Cavs team. I just think we disagree on how good of a player Jamal Murray is in a vacuum. You take him off the Nuggets and he's going to look worse than he looks now and he currently looks like a guy who isn't on an All Star level. A very good player who isn't great and is inconsistent. The other 2 guys are both clearly All Star level players and would be even better playing next to Jokic. Murray owes it to the fanbase to have the best season of his career. His playoff performance this year was historically bad and basically cost the 3X MVP another chance at a Championship. |
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Post by GBG on Jul 2, 2024 11:01:17 GMT -5
Ring, Murray played postseason at maybe 75% health. He scored 35 anyway in game 7. Given what he did the year before, I suggest you cut him some slack. Sheesh.
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Post by JB on Jul 2, 2024 11:02:03 GMT -5
everything is relative.
do I expect Mitchell to win a championship as the top guy? no. do I expect him to beat a Knicks team where RJ Barrett was the second option? yes. do I expect Fox with the 20/14/8 Sabonis to make the play-in against laughable competition? yes.
Mamba mentality is real. I know Jamal has the stuff. I do not believe your dream acquisitions have it. is Fox or Mitchell ripping the Lakers in crunch time of game 2 in the WCF and following it up with the coup de grace in the first half of game 3? haven't seen evidence of that killer instinct. but you probably believe now we were always destined to beat the Lakers, even though you predicted a loss in both years.
I hate this argument so much. why are Nugget fans gaslighting themselves?
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Post by Ring on Jul 2, 2024 11:07:24 GMT -5
everything is relative. do I expect Mitchell to win a championship as the top guy? no. do I expect him to beat a Knicks team where RJ Barrett was the second option? yes Mamba mentality is real. I know Jamal has the stuff. I do not believe your dream acquisitions have it. is Fox or Mitchell ripping the Lakers in crunch time of game 2 in the WCF and following it up with the coup de grace in the first half of game 3? haven't seen evidence of that killer instinct. but you probably believe now we were always destined to beat the Lakers, even though you predicted a loss in both years. I hate this argument so much. why are Nugget fans gaslighting themselves? Because we can't get rid of MPJ so life as a Nuggets fan is depressing and we need to vent/complain. Again, I want Murray on the team. All I'm asking for him to do is get in f***ing shape. |
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Post by scooter on Jul 2, 2024 11:08:58 GMT -5
Wolves are nothing now. OKC are a bigger threat. They always had the better offense and equipped to defend Murray. But now we've lost our biggest advantage against them which was size. OKC is a threat, but I’d recommend tapping the brakes on getting carried away. As there is a bad health track record for skinny 7’+ white guys, the jury is still very much out on Holmgren’s long term health. The team has won exactly 1 playoff series so far. If things break their way for the Thunder, they should be a contender, but its no sure thing. |
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Post by GBG on Jul 2, 2024 11:10:42 GMT -5
everything is relative. do I expect Mitchell to win a championship as the top guy? no. do I expect him to beat a Knicks team where RJ Barrett was the second option? yes Mamba mentality is real. I know Jamal has the stuff. I do not believe your dream acquisitions have it. is Fox or Mitchell ripping the Lakers in crunch time of game 2 in the WCF and following it up with the coup de grace in the first half of game 3? haven't seen evidence of that killer instinct. but you probably believe now we were always destined to beat the Lakers, even though you predicted a loss in both years. I hate this argument so much. why are Nugget fans gaslighting themselves? Because we can't get rid of MPJ so life as a Nuggets fan is depressing and we need to vent/complain. Again, I want Murray on the team. All I'm asking for him to do is get in f***ing shape. You give him no credit for getting his physical shape back sufficiently in his first year back from ACL surgery to help carry us to a championship. New York sports fans are insufferable. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 2, 2024 11:28:19 GMT -5
no Ring, put Jamal on the Kings with Jokic jr and they're making the play-in and beating a cooked Warriors team and annihilating the fukking Pelicans. put him on the Cavs and he's also capable of beating a Knicks team where RJ BARRETT WAS THE SECOND OPTION Ouff you are saying that Murray is better than Mitchell? Without Jokic? |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 2, 2024 11:29:59 GMT -5
Wolves are nothing now. OKC are a bigger threat. They always had the better offense and equipped to defend Murray. But now we've lost our biggest advantage against them which was size. OKC is a threat, but I’d recommend tapping the brakes on getting carried away. As there is a bad health track record for skinny 7’+ white guys, the jury is still very much out on Holmgren’s long term health. The team has won exactly 1 playoff series so far. If things break their way for the Thunder, they should be a contender, but its no sure thing. Also a bad health track record for people named Jamal Murray |
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Post by wicked3line on Jul 2, 2024 11:33:07 GMT -5
All this talk about Murray is for not as he will eventually sign the extension yet will still be a notch below All-Star/All NBA level. Yes, he can be an overconfident idiot at times but he's also not stupid and knows he can't leave $209 mil on the table based on a "hope" he'd make an All-NBA team or get that money in free agency.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jul 2, 2024 11:36:03 GMT -5
no Ring, put Jamal on the Kings with Jokic jr and they're making the play-in and beating a cooked Warriors team and annihilating the fukking Pelicans. put him on the Cavs and he's also capable of beating a Knicks team where RJ BARRETT WAS THE SECOND OPTION I don't agree with that at all. They probsbly aren't making the playoffs in those situations. Murray is incapable of creating good shots for himself without Jokic. |
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Post by scooter on Jul 2, 2024 11:36:50 GMT -5
he's 100% going to be in shape playing since he's playing for Team Canada this summer but many Nugget fans reacted as if we're about to give Buddy Hield the max. perhaps he feels unappreciated and wants to move on. I know they'd appreciate him in Toronto. If anything, he should feel extremely appreciated. If this was NY/Philly/Boston and Murray missed 2 playoff runs because of an ACL tear, he would have been run out of town, called soft, etc. Fan base has been extremely patient with him and the organization has been overly generous with him. If Murray is going to be a max player he should be judged as one. Staying in shape in the offseason should be the bare minimum. Jokic got paid, transformed his body and got in the best shape of his life. Murray got paid and literally got in worse shape. It's inexcusable. Even MPJ who is a trash player is always in great shape. AG the same. KCP the same. give me a break. Embiid has been terrible in the playoffs — or hurt — his entire career (29% career playoff three pointers), in the midst of which he’s also whined and begged and cried about the MVP and his respect, and he hasn’t been “run out of town” in Philly. The same is true in NY with Julius Randle, who has played 15 playoff games total in 5 seasons with the Knicks. Jaylen Brown has been terrible in multiple playoff series, and Jayson Tatum — who was just rewarded with the richest contract in NBA history — has been at best mediocre in the playoffs, with a career 44% FG% and 34% 3FG% in the playoffs. The team stuck with both of those guys (and rewarded them financially to the max — each has much richer contracts than Murray) and they are now basking in Celtics glory despite being more lousy than good in the playoffs on aggregate. Everyone would love to see Murray work on his aerobic conditioning, but he has a stocky body and isn’t built for endurance in the same way as a guy like Steph Curry. The reality is that Murray’s conditioning has been up and down, coinciding with how much time he’s had to work on it. It was 100% in the bubble, because he had the covid break to get fully healthy and work out. Last season was coming off a short offseason and I’m sure his body needed some rest after the title run. Is anyone here capable of any nuance in their POV? |
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Post by JB on Jul 2, 2024 11:41:06 GMT -5
no Ring, put Jamal on the Kings with Jokic jr and they're making the play-in and beating a cooked Warriors team and annihilating the fukking Pelicans. put him on the Cavs and he's also capable of beating a Knicks team where RJ BARRETT WAS THE SECOND OPTION Ouff you are saying that Murray is better than Mitchell? Without Jokic? Jamal had a minus ws/48 during this playoff run and even with that weighing down his career average, it's still considerably higher than Mitchell. I have more faith in Jamal beating a team like the 2023 Knicks than Mitchell winning a championship as a 1B. he's an empty stats guy |
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Post by JB on Jul 2, 2024 11:46:17 GMT -5
no Ring, put Jamal on the Kings with Jokic jr and they're making the play-in and beating a cooked Warriors team and annihilating the fukking Pelicans. put him on the Cavs and he's also capable of beating a Knicks team where RJ BARRETT WAS THE SECOND OPTION I don't agree with that at all. They probsbly aren't making the playoffs in those situations. Murray is incapable of creating good shots for himself without Jokic. Sabonis is a 20/14/8 guy who finished 7th and 8th in MVP voting the past two years. they have depth with Murray/Barnes/Monk/Heuter etc. good coaching. great home court advantage. this is the participation trophy era where the 10th seed gets you in the door. the east is even a bigger laugh. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 2, 2024 11:53:19 GMT -5
I quickly scanned, and I only see two of those four in this picture.  They're still overpaid! MPJ moreso, but 50% of our issues are directly tied to MPJ's contract. At least, he can score one out of every four games. That is the mark of a true champion. Just be glad they won one title even tho it was a down year for the league. That will never be noted by those who look at the winners year by year. It will still be a title. |
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