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Post by JB on Jul 2, 2024 13:06:13 GMT -5
you know fellas, Jamal is perfectly capable of developing an effective 2 man game with Sabonis which would probably give them more success than they're currently enjoying. I've said this many times before, but it's unfortunate Sabonis is going to spend his career in Jokic's shadow. he averaged exactly 0.8 less assist per game than Joker last season. I really like sabonis, but he's not the finisher Jokic is and Alit his assists come off of simple handoffs. He's doesn't throw people ope. Like Jokic does. He's also a horrible defender much worse then Jok. Murray is also not a good defender. SAC I'm that situation would possibly be worst defense in West. they already are a bottom team defensively in the West lol. the last two seasons, only the tanking Spurs were worse than them in 22-23, and only the tanking Blazers and tanking Jazz were worse this year. |
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Post by Dante on Jul 2, 2024 13:33:31 GMT -5
No matter how you dice it and slice it, 2 years ago we had 6 high quality NBA playoff players + Jeff Green and CB. Today we have 4 high quality NBA playoff players + CB,Pickett,Strawther,Watson and Holmes (bunch of kids)...No move on the margins at improving our backup PG and backup C position is going to give us (and more importantly Malone) a 6 man rotation he can trust in high pressure moments in the playoffs.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jul 2, 2024 13:40:42 GMT -5
I really like sabonis, but he's not the finisher Jokic is and Alit his assists come off of simple handoffs. He's doesn't throw people ope. Like Jokic does. He's also a horrible defender much worse then Jok. Murray is also not a good defender. SAC I'm that situation would possibly be worst defense in West. they already are a bottom team defensively in the West lol. the last two seasons, only the tanking Spurs were worse than them in 22-23, and only the tanking Blazers and tanking Jazz were worse this year. BTW I'm not arguing we should trade Jamal, not only do I not think we would get good value in return but Jamal has developed good chemistry with Jokic. Having said that Jamal has to be I'm shape! MPJ is the one I would trade but probably midway through season. I'd feature him more this upcoming season then look to move him at deadline. |
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Post by scooter on Jul 2, 2024 13:42:02 GMT -5
what Jamal is capable of doing in the playoffs relative to his talent level is unprecedented. it's not all fatman magic either, People can bash the bubble playoffs for not being real playoff basketball if they want, but when it was 2020 and we were all stuck in our homes with nowhere to go other than searching for grocery items that were out at our local stores, the 2020 playoffs were most welcome entertainment. And Murray was incredible — not good, not very good — incredible (better than Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown have been in any playoff game in their collective lives) in the Jazz series and absolutely integral to beating the Clippers, who at the time were considered by many the favorites to win it all. That run was massive for the Nuggets and their fans. Murray takes up a huge and irreplaceable spot in Denver Nuggets’ history and fans should not forget it. |
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Post by Ring on Jul 2, 2024 13:54:20 GMT -5
they already are a bottom team defensively in the West lol. the last two seasons, only the tanking Spurs were worse than them in 22-23, and only the tanking Blazers and tanking Jazz were worse this year. BTW I'm not arguing we should trade Jamal, not only do I not think we would get good value in return but Jamal has developed good chemistry with Jokic. Having said that Jamal has to be I'm shape! MPJ is the one I would trade but probably midway through season. I'd feature him more this upcoming season then look to move him at deadline. Crazy that there is blowback for wanting a professional athlete making $30M a season to come into a regular season in shape. Same s**t Harden and Luka get clowned for every year. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jul 2, 2024 13:59:26 GMT -5
BTW I'm not arguing we should trade Jamal, not only do I not think we would get good value in return but Jamal has developed good chemistry with Jokic. Having said that Jamal has to be I'm shape! MPJ is the one I would trade but probably midway through season. I'd feature him more this upcoming season then look to move him at deadline. Crazy that there is blowback for wanting a professional athlete making $30M a season to come into a regular season in shape. And he's getting ready to go up to 50 mill, which will put him in top 20 of paid players. |
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Post by JB on Jul 2, 2024 14:01:36 GMT -5
the blowback is because you're going to get your wish. Jamal 100% will be in shape for the start of the regular season, but you still want hold a referendum on the guy.
the good news is Jamal is much more likely to make the ASG and/or All-NBA now so he'll be eligible for the supermax! I'm really happy Nugget fans talked him out of signing the extension!
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Post by jimijam28 on Jul 2, 2024 14:07:06 GMT -5
Yawn
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Post by GBG on Jul 2, 2024 14:11:40 GMT -5
BTW I'm not arguing we should trade Jamal, not only do I not think we would get good value in return but Jamal has developed good chemistry with Jokic. Having said that Jamal has to be I'm shape! MPJ is the one I would trade but probably midway through season. I'd feature him more this upcoming season then look to move him at deadline. Crazy that there is blowback for wanting a professional athlete making $30M a season to come into a regular season in shape. Look, Ring. I’m gonna set you straight. Murray is a notorious slow starter. Always has been. It’s not due to physical shape, it’s due to being a rhythm player and a bit of a streak player. He needs to get in a rhythm for the first 10 games or so, and it isn’t related to being fat or slow or whatever. He’s just a guy who has to get his early season reps in to find his tough shotmaking superpower. It’s why he is inconsistent. Those shots are….shall I say….tough? So please stop with the inane repetitive rant that has nothing to do with why October Murray isn’t May Murray. Oh, but you say he gets injured a lot, and this must be due to not being in shape. Baloney. He injures himself because he sacrifices his body on lots a plays, and a small percentage of those plays will get him hurt. He contorts his body on tough shots, sometimes thinking he’s Superman. He’s not. He’s an average athlete by NBA guard standards, and one who only rises to the occasion in big games when he is fully healthy and rested. Heath and rest has little to do with being in shape or out of shape. It has everything to do with style of play and usage. Murray plays reckless sometimes, in other words. And goes beyond what his body parts can bear sometimes. That’s what injury prone players do. Staying healthy is a skill of sorts, and Murray isn’t skilled in that department. He plays fearless. He needs to dial it down, if anything, to preserve his body for postseason. The “out of shape” narrative needs to die. You are gaslighting yourself and spreading this falsehood to all who will listen. Murray is a hard worker and stays in shape during the summer. He’s not some sort of an Andre Miller who plays himself into shape as the season goes on by playing every day for years. He’s grinding all the time. And this is high risk behavior. Murray tries too hard, sometimes, and that isn’t the personality trait that results in lackadaisical attitudes that have him come into seasons out of shape. So cut it out, will ya? |
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Post by JB on Jul 2, 2024 14:19:37 GMT -5
I hope GBG of all people considering your Murray criticism a bridge too far and defending him from your framing perhaps makes you reexamine your argument.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jul 2, 2024 14:28:56 GMT -5
the blowback is because you're going to get your wish. Jamal 100% will be in shape for the start of the regular season, but you still want hold a referendum on the guy. the good news is Jamal is much more likely to make the ASG and/or All-NBA now so he'll be eligible for the supermax! I'm really happy Nugget fans talked him out of signing the extension! You think he didn't sign the extension because of Nuggets fans??? Also, the west is absolutely stacked at the Guard position? Who is he getting all-nba or all-star over? |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jul 2, 2024 14:30:24 GMT -5
Crazy that there is blowback for wanting a professional athlete making $30M a season to come into a regular season in shape. Look, Ring. I’m gonna set you straight. Murray is a notorious slow starter. Always has been. It’s not due to physical shape, it’s due to being a rhythm player and a bit of a streak player. He needs to get in a rhythm for the first 10 games or so, and it isn’t related to being fat or slow or whatever. He’s just a guy who has to get his early season reps in to find his tough shotmaking superpower. It’s why he is inconsistent. Those shots are….shall I say….tough? So please stop with the inane repetitive rant that has nothing to do with why October Murray isn’t May Murray. Oh, but you say he gets injured a lot, and this must be due to not being in shape. Baloney. He injures himself because he sacrifices his body on lots a plays, and a small percentage of those plays will get him hurt. He contorts his body on tough shots, sometimes thinking he’s Superman. He’s not. He’s an average athlete by NBA guard standards, and one who only rises to the occasion in big games when he is fully healthy and rested. Heath and rest has little to do with being in shape or out of shape. It has everything to do with style of play and usage. Murray plays reckless sometimes, in other words. And goes beyond what his body parts can bear sometimes. That’s what injury prone players do. Staying healthy is a skill of sorts, and Murray isn’t skilled in that department. He plays fearless. He needs to dial it down, if anything, to preserve his body for postseason. The “out of shape” narrative needs to die. You are gaslighting yourself and spreading this falsehood to all who will listen. Murray is a hard worker and stays in shape during the summer. He’s not some sort of an Andre Miller who plays himself into shape as the season goes on by playing every day for years. He’s grinding all the time. And this is high risk behavior. Murray tries too hard, sometimes, and that isn’t the personality trait that results in lackadaisical attitudes that have him come into seasons out of shape. So cut it out, will ya? Murray settles for a ton of mid-range jumpers. How is this hard on his body? |
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Post by Ring on Jul 2, 2024 14:31:14 GMT -5
the blowback is because you're going to get your wish. Jamal 100% will be in shape for the start of the regular season, but you still want hold a referendum on the guy. the good news is Jamal is much more likely to make the ASG and/or All-NBA now so he'll be eligible for the supermax! I'm really happy Nugget fans talked him out of signing the extension! If that's the case then Murray will probably play at a much higher level than usual. But again, it's hilarious that we're pretending like this is some kind of thing we should praise Murray for when it's literally his job. If you're not going to hammer Murray for it, I never want to hear anything about Luka or Harden coming into camp out of shape. Nobody wants Murray to succeed more than I do. I just don't ignore things because he did cool things 2 years ago. That's the standard he should be held to. |
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Post by Ring on Jul 2, 2024 14:32:13 GMT -5
Look, Ring. I’m gonna set you straight. Murray is a notorious slow starter. Always has been. It’s not due to physical shape, it’s due to being a rhythm player and a bit of a streak player. He needs to get in a rhythm for the first 10 games or so, and it isn’t related to being fat or slow or whatever. He’s just a guy who has to get his early season reps in to find his tough shotmaking superpower. It’s why he is inconsistent. Those shots are….shall I say….tough? So please stop with the inane repetitive rant that has nothing to do with why October Murray isn’t May Murray. Oh, but you say he gets injured a lot, and this must be due to not being in shape. Baloney. He injures himself because he sacrifices his body on lots a plays, and a small percentage of those plays will get him hurt. He contorts his body on tough shots, sometimes thinking he’s Superman. He’s not. He’s an average athlete by NBA guard standards, and one who only rises to the occasion in big games when he is fully healthy and rested. Heath and rest has little to do with being in shape or out of shape. It has everything to do with style of play and usage. Murray plays reckless sometimes, in other words. And goes beyond what his body parts can bear sometimes. That’s what injury prone players do. Staying healthy is a skill of sorts, and Murray isn’t skilled in that department. He plays fearless. He needs to dial it down, if anything, to preserve his body for postseason. The “out of shape” narrative needs to die. You are gaslighting yourself and spreading this falsehood to all who will listen. Murray is a hard worker and stays in shape during the summer. He’s not some sort of an Andre Miller who plays himself into shape as the season goes on by playing every day for years. He’s grinding all the time. And this is high risk behavior. Murray tries too hard, sometimes, and that isn’t the personality trait that results in lackadaisical attitudes that have him come into seasons out of shape. So cut it out, will ya? Murray settles for a ton of mid-range jumpers. How is this hard on his body? Yeah this argument would make much more sense if they were talking about Jokic or even AG who are constantly banging in the post and going up for contested rebounds. Yet those 2 are in phenomenal shape and basically never get tired. Weird. Almost like they work on their bodies in the offseason. Murray rarely attacks the rim too. Doesn't get to the line which also wears down the body as fouls = physical contact. People will make all sorts excuses for their favorite players/teams rather than just saying "Murray is not in the best of shape which probably leads to injuries and that hurts the team as they need him at peak performance." |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jul 2, 2024 14:37:09 GMT -5
Murray settles for a ton of mid-range jumpers. How is this hard on his body? Yeah this argument would make much more sense if they were talking about Jokic or even AG who are constantly banging in the post and going up for contested rebounds. Yet those 2 are in phenomenal shape and basically never get tired. Weird. Almost like they work on their bodies in the offseason. Murray rarely attacks the rim too. Doesn't get to the line which also wears down the body as fouls = physical contact. People will make all sorts excuses for their favorite players/teams rather than just saying "Murray is not in the best of shape which probably leads to injuries and that hurts the team as they need him at peak performance." If Murray gets into shape, guards at a consistent level, and attacks the basket hard all season I'll be happy. Even if the team limits him to 31-32 mpg. I'd be fine with that! I'd like to see him have a level of focus he hasn't seemed to have in the regular season yet. |
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Post by JB on Jul 2, 2024 14:42:12 GMT -5
the blowback is because you're going to get your wish. Jamal 100% will be in shape for the start of the regular season, but you still want hold a referendum on the guy. the good news is Jamal is much more likely to make the ASG and/or All-NBA now so he'll be eligible for the supermax! I'm really happy Nugget fans talked him out of signing the extension! You think he didn't sign the extension because of Nuggets fans??? Also, the west is absolutely stacked at the Guard position? Who is he getting all-nba or all-star over? the Nuggets were not going to leak the extension offer to the press unless they were confident Jamal was going to sign it so something happened. if the Nuggets are a top seed and Jamal is playing at a high level, he's getting in over a player like Booker. |
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Post by GBG on Jul 2, 2024 14:50:20 GMT -5
Murray settles for a ton of mid-range jumpers. How is this hard on his body? Yeah this argument would make much more sense if they were talking about Jokic or even AG who are constantly banging in the post and going up for contested rebounds. Yet those 2 are in phenomenal shape and basically never get tired. Weird. Almost like they work on their bodies in the offseason. Murray rarely attacks the rim too. Doesn't get to the line which also wears down the body as fouls = physical contact. People will make all sorts excuses for their favorite players/teams rather than just saying "Murray is not in the best of shape which probably leads to injuries and that hurts the team as they need him at peak performance." If being out of shape = lots of injuries, then how do you explain Andre Miller, a player who loved the postgame buffets as much as anyone and would play himself into shape during the season, yet never missed a game until Shawful disrespected him? Murray is only an average athlete by NBA guard standards and often goes to the floor, even on some of his live ball turnovers, and this hurts his health. He is a well-conditioned player, just not very adept at avoiding moves that can tweak a knee, an ankle, or even wreck an ACL. Your argument about his conditioning entering seasons is weak and has no evidence to support it. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jul 2, 2024 14:51:51 GMT -5
You think he didn't sign the extension because of Nuggets fans??? Also, the west is absolutely stacked at the Guard position? Who is he getting all-nba or all-star over? the Nuggets were not going to leak the extension offer to the press unless they were confident Jamal was going to sign it so something happened. if the Nuggets are a top seed and Jamal is playing at a high level, he's getting in over a player like Booker. Jamal would have to avg. 25+ ppg to have a chance, and even then it'll be tough. SGA, Luka, Booker, Fox, Morant, Edwards, Curry is stiff competition. |
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Post by BBBbbb on Jul 2, 2024 14:57:48 GMT -5
Not smart for Jamal to bet on himself. And honestly if he goes down with another ACL or something requiring surgery, f**k the max offer
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Post by Tymes Rhymes on Jul 2, 2024 15:04:28 GMT -5
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