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Post by Ring on Jul 2, 2024 9:02:19 GMT -5
Jamal should use some of the money he makes to get himself in shape. Guy is 27 years old and still hasn't figured out how to properly train his body for an 82 game season. Shits embarrassing and has hurt the team basically Murray's entire career. he's 100% going to be in shape playing since he's playing for Team Canada this summer but many Nugget fans reacted as if we're about to give Buddy Hield the max. perhaps he feels unappreciated and wants to move on. I know they'd appreciate him in Toronto. If anything, he should feel extremely appreciated. If this was NY/Philly/Boston and Murray missed 2 playoff runs because of an ACL tear, he would have been run out of town, called soft, etc. Fan base has been extremely patient with him and the organization has been overly generous with him. If Murray is going to be a max player he should be judged as one. Staying in shape in the offseason should be the bare minimum. Jokic got paid, transformed his body and got in the best shape of his life. Murray got paid and literally got in worse shape. It's inexcusable. Even MPJ who is a trash player is always in great shape. AG the same. KCP the same. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jul 2, 2024 9:07:26 GMT -5
the best of the rest Tyrus Jones Buddy Hield Gary Trent Jr DeMar Derozan Miles Bridges I'm going to guess at least one of these players see the generation wealth we delivered to Bruce and KCP and will be interested in the Nikola Jokic stimulus package. Honestly I'd take Miles Bridges as a reclamation project here in DEN he's the most talented of the bunch. A change of scenery and a strong positive locker room would maybe do him wonders and he's versatile enough to play a 3 or a 4. Bridges is also a 80+% FT shooter which means he probably projects in the long term as a + 3 PT shooter! Having him and Saric would mean we wouldn't need to bring back Vlatko either. Could just have a depth chart of: 1- Murray, Vet Min 2- Braun, PWat 3- MPJ, Miles Bridges 4- AG, Holmes 5-Jokic, Saric I wouldn't hate that! |
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Post by JB on Jul 2, 2024 9:12:22 GMT -5
that's actually insane Ring. no player is getting run out of town because they suffered a freak injury lol.
not staying in shape in the summer is definitely a knock. I would weigh that against Jamal winning this historically poverty franchise their first championship and always elevating his game to superstar status in the playoffs when he had two working legs to work with and say the benefits outweigh the negatives, but many Nugget fans don't feel that way, including yourself. and you know, Jamal is on social media and he reads all the criticism, some it fair, some of it overblown and hysterical and probably feels some type of way about it.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jul 2, 2024 9:14:57 GMT -5
that's actually insane Ring. no player is getting run out of town because they suffered a freak injury lol. not staying in shape in the summer is definitely a knock. I would weigh that against Jamal winning this historically poverty franchise their first championship and always elevating his game to superstar status in the playoffs when he had two working legs to work with and say the benefits outweigh the negatives, but many Nugget fans don't feel that way. including yourself. and Jamal is on social media and reads takes from Nugget fans like yourself. You think it wouldn't be worse at other franchises. The dude hasn't come into camp in shape in his career, he's shown no drive to push himself in the off-season. Doesn't mean he wasn't outstanding in the championship season, but if you think other franchises wouldn't be as hard if not harder on him your kidding yourself! Imagine him in BOS if he came into the season out of shape and his constant injuries (likely because he doesn't take care of his body) cost the team a shot at the championship. Fans and media would be up in arms over it. |
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Post by Ring on Jul 2, 2024 9:20:42 GMT -5
that's actually insane Ring. no player is getting run out of town because they suffered a freak injury lol. not staying in shape in the summer is definitely a knock. I would weigh that against Jamal winning this historically poverty franchise their first championship and always elevating his game to superstar status in the playoffs when he had two working legs to work with and say the benefits outweigh the negatives, but many Nugget fans don't feel that way, including yourself. and you know, Jamal is on social media and he reads all the criticism, some it fair, some of it overblown and hysterical and probably feels some type of way about it. Dude he missed 2 playoff runs. He took longer to come back from an ACL than basically any other player in modern sports history. There is a very possible scenario that Nikola Jokic retires with 1 Championship which would be a SEVERE disappointment considering he's one of the best players to ever touch a basketball. And that 1 Championship disappointment would be due to the fact that he didn't have good enough stars around him. It would be cool if this organization did a solid for Jokic before he retired and actually got him an All Star to play with. Instead he gets stuck with guys who are inconsistent and injury prone which only makes his job more difficult. I'm tired of the excuses for Jamal. He got all the praise in the Championship run. He deserves a majority of the blame for this season, yet he barely takes any heat for it. The guy was absolutely f***ing terrible in the entire playoff run. People blame fatigue on why we flamed out early but maybe the Nuggets wouldn't have been so tired if Murray didn't play like complete s**t and get us in a hole every single game. All that did was force the Nuggets to use more energy to come back and steal wins. |
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Post by eathb on Jul 2, 2024 9:21:05 GMT -5
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Post by JB on Jul 2, 2024 9:21:37 GMT -5
Boston fans are intelligent and would blame Booth for forcing Jamal to carry a s**t bench for the entirety of the regular season. that was Jamal's first season back from ACL injury and HE HAD JUST WON YOU A f***ing CHAMPIONSHIP, he needed rest in the summer. he needed to be load managed in the regular season, not be burdened with the highest usage rate of his career which led to his injuries.
Nugget fans don't deserve Jamal.
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Post by Ring on Jul 2, 2024 9:26:22 GMT -5
Boston fans are intelligent and would blame Booth for forcing Jamal to carry a s**t bench for the entirety of the regular season. that was Jamal's first season back from ACL injury and HE HAD JUST WON YOU A f***ing CHAMPIONSHIP, he needed rest in the summer. he needed to be load managed in the regular season, not be burdened with the highest usage rate of his career which led to his injuries. Nugget fans don't deserve Jamal. Murray averaged less minutes last year than he did in any of his 5 previous seasons. Again, it's just jumping through hoops to defend the guy. He also was load managed. He played 59 games. Literally didn't even play 75% of the season. He also eclipsed 40 minutes 1 time in those 59 games. So cry me a river. People kill Luka for being tired/out of shape but that guy is carrying an entire team. Can't believe that Murray as a max player is tasked with carrying some of the lesser players on the team. Crazy to ask a guy to do that (this wouldn't be as big of a problem if he was a much more talented guard). I promise you guys like Fox/Mitchell would have nowhere near as much trouble carrying a lesser unit simply because they're much more talented players and can actually beat defenders off the dribble/get to the rim. |
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Post by Dante on Jul 2, 2024 9:34:51 GMT -5
Giving Jamal 50 per year going to be the end of any future championships. Jokic/Jamal at 110+ millions per year. Good luck building a title team around that. 10 million less per year and i am 100% fine with that. What about next MPJ deal? He would ask for more than 40 per when he deserves max 25-30?
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Post by Ring on Jul 2, 2024 9:39:18 GMT -5
Giving Jamal 50 per year going to be the end of any future championships. Jokic/Jamal at 110+ millions per year. Good luck building a title team around that. 10 million less per year and i am 100% fine with that. What about next MPJ deal? He would ask for more than 40 per when he deserves max 25-30? MPJs contract is ultimately what has sunk this team. Because as bad as Murray played in the playoffs he's still capable of impacting a game even when his shot is off. MPJ actively hurts you in series like he did against Minnesota. Obliterated on defense, completely shook/shitting his pants on offense. Guy is soft as baby s**t and is never going to figure out how to play in the NBA against long, strong wing defenders because he's not skilled enough. |
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Post by Dante on Jul 2, 2024 9:47:51 GMT -5
Giving Jamal 50 per year going to be the end of any future championships. Jokic/Jamal at 110+ millions per year. Good luck building a title team around that. 10 million less per year and i am 100% fine with that. What about next MPJ deal? He would ask for more than 40 per when he deserves max 25-30? MPJs contract is ultimately what has sunk this team. Because as bad as Murray played in the playoffs he's still capable of impacting a game even when his shot is off. MPJ actively hurts you in series like he did against Minnesota. Obliterated on defense, completely shook/shitting his pants on offense. Guy is soft as baby s**t and is never going to figure out how to play in the NBA against long, strong wing defenders because he's not skilled enough. Exactly. Thats why if we had MPJ on 15 and Jamal 5 less millions atm KCP would still be a Nugget. |
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Post by Dante on Jul 2, 2024 10:03:29 GMT -5
Jamal signs that extension you can forget about AG getting a new deal. He will be next in line to leave and get paid by some team on the rise like KCP did with Magic. 3 max players in this new CBA is simply a death sentence.
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Post by JB on Jul 2, 2024 10:07:25 GMT -5
Boston fans are intelligent and would blame Booth for forcing Jamal to carry a s**t bench for the entirety of the regular season. that was Jamal's first season back from ACL injury and HE HAD JUST WON YOU A f***ing CHAMPIONSHIP, he needed rest in the summer. he needed to be load managed in the regular season, not be burdened with the highest usage rate of his career which led to his injuries. Nugget fans don't deserve Jamal. Murray averaged less minutes last year than he did in any of his 5 previous seasons. Again, it's just jumping through hoops to defend the guy. He also was load managed. He played 59 games. Literally didn't even play 75% of the season. He also eclipsed 40 minutes 1 time in those 59 games. So cry me a river. People kill Luka for being tired/out of shape but that guy is carrying an entire team. Can't believe that Murray as a max player is tasked with carrying some of the lesser players on the team. Crazy to ask a guy to do that (this wouldn't be as big of a problem if he was a much more talented guard). I promise you guys like Fox/Mitchell would have nowhere near as much trouble carrying a lesser unit simply because they're much more talented players and can actually beat defenders off the dribble/get to the rim. usage rate > minutes, Justin Timberlake. being on the court playing off ball to Jokic is VASTLY different to grinding out points like Kobe during the Smush Parker era the "much more talented Fox" couldn't beat the Jonas Valanciunas led Pelicans to make the playoffs and Donovan has been on stacked teams his entire career with nothing to show for it. it turns out, there's more to winning a championship than box score stats in the regular season. you know Ring, I let you run endless victory laps when you use to accost Nugget fans endlessly for never being sufficient believers in Jamal Murray's game, I'm a nice guy so let you rock even though I very much remember you arguing with me that Jamal was a fake 2nd option and you'd take Khris Middleton over him (Dante is firing up the trade machine as we speak). you have Jamal Murray derangement syndrome brother. you can't have these radical shifts in opinion depending if we win or lose. it's not healthy. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 2, 2024 10:12:56 GMT -5
that's actually insane Ring. no player is getting run out of town because they suffered a freak injury lol. not staying in shape in the summer is definitely a knock. I would weigh that against Jamal winning this historically poverty franchise their first championship and always elevating his game to superstar status in the playoffs when he had two working legs to work with and say the benefits outweigh the negatives, but many Nugget fans don't feel that way, including yourself. and you know, Jamal is on social media and he reads all the criticism, some it fair, some of it overblown and hysterical and probably feels some type of way about it. Cookie Murray isnt just one freak injury. But Im definitely not selling what Murray stock i have left. Stupid discussion i think maybe the Kroenkes is trying to cheap out, maybe 3 year deal or something. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 2, 2024 10:14:15 GMT -5
Boston fans are intelligent and would blame Booth for forcing Jamal to carry a s**t bench for the entirety of the regular season. that was Jamal's first season back from ACL injury and HE HAD JUST WON YOU A f***ing CHAMPIONSHIP, he needed rest in the summer. he needed to be load managed in the regular season, not be burdened with the highest usage rate of his career which led to his injuries. Nugget fans don't deserve Jamal. Cookie Murray been a thing for years my man. TC at least knew this by trying to strengthen the PG position |
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Post by Tymes Rhymes on Jul 2, 2024 10:16:45 GMT -5
Jamal signs that extension you can forget about AG getting a new deal. He will be next in line to leave and get paid by some team on the rise like KCP did with Magic. 3 max players in this new CBA is simply a death sentence. Offering him that extension so soon put us in a no win situation. Revoke it, Jamal loses faith in the org and probably asks for a trade. Keep the offer on the table and everything you just said here.....smh |
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Post by Ring on Jul 2, 2024 10:28:09 GMT -5
Murray averaged less minutes last year than he did in any of his 5 previous seasons. Again, it's just jumping through hoops to defend the guy. He also was load managed. He played 59 games. Literally didn't even play 75% of the season. He also eclipsed 40 minutes 1 time in those 59 games. So cry me a river. People kill Luka for being tired/out of shape but that guy is carrying an entire team. Can't believe that Murray as a max player is tasked with carrying some of the lesser players on the team. Crazy to ask a guy to do that (this wouldn't be as big of a problem if he was a much more talented guard). I promise you guys like Fox/Mitchell would have nowhere near as much trouble carrying a lesser unit simply because they're much more talented players and can actually beat defenders off the dribble/get to the rim. usage rate > minutes, Justin Timberlake. being on the court playing off ball to Jokic is VASTLY different to grinding out points like Kobe during the Smush Parker era the "much more talented Fox" couldn't beat the Jonas Valanciunas led Pelicans to make the playoffs and Donovan has been on stacked teams his entire career with nothing to show for it. it turns out, there's more to winning a championship than box score stats in the regular season. you know Ring, I let you run endless victory laps when you use to accost Nugget fans endlessly for never being sufficient believers in Jamal Murray's game, I'm a nice guy so let you rock even though I very much remember you arguing pre-bubble with me that Jamal was a fake 2nd option and you'd take Khris Middleton over him (Dante is firing up the trade machine as we speak). you have Jamal Murray derangement syndrome brother. you can't have these radical shifts in opinion depending if we win or lose. it's not healthy. Fox and Mitchell have never played with a player in the same stratosphere as Jokic so that's a completely unfair take. I'm 100% confident Mitchell/Fox would do a much better job with Jokic off because they're better players. When Murray gets a switch on him, it almost always leads to a difficult shot. Fox/Mitchell get one and they're compromising the defense every single time. Murray WITH Jokic is most likely better due to the chemistry/reps they have. And of course I can have those radical shifts. I always judge the team based off their play and their results. When Murray plays like a 2nd star I praise him. When he costs the team a chance at a ring I will kill him for it. He deserves almost all of the blame for the playoff flameout along with MPJ. Those 2 are the main reasons why the Nuggets lost to the Wolves. They were both f***ing awful in the series on both ends. Stop giving this guy a free pass because you like him. I like Jamal too but you have to be fair and judge him from season to season. It's not like this guy is a 7X all star and had a bad playoff run. Even in his great playoff runs he's had inconsistent performances. When your entire career is built off being an inconsistent regular season player but a playoff riser, and then you don't rise come playoff time you need to kill the guy for it. He deserves it. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jul 2, 2024 10:29:33 GMT -5
Jamal signs that extension you can forget about AG getting a new deal. He will be next in line to leave and get paid by some team on the rise like KCP did with Magic. 3 max players in this new CBA is simply a death sentence. Truth |
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Post by jimijam28 on Jul 2, 2024 10:30:17 GMT -5
blow it up
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Post by rock on Jul 2, 2024 10:32:24 GMT -5
Lol they are even choosing houston over us at this point |
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