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Post by JB on Jun 29, 2024 18:05:56 GMT -5
reminder that FA hasn't officially started yet. put the pitchforks down for now. maybe there's a plan in place.
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Post by rock on Jun 29, 2024 18:25:48 GMT -5
reminder that FA hasn't officially started yet. put the pitchforks down for now. maybe there's a plan in place. |
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Jun 29, 2024 18:26:26 GMT -5
reminder that FA hasn't officially started yet. put the pitchforks down for now. maybe there's a plan in place. This is what is funny to me. Obviously our situation doesn't look super ideal with how constrained we are ..but even on the podcasts they're like "how do you feel if this is the team Denver takes into the season? Are they worse?" I mean, the off season has barely started and it's not even day 1 of the new league year and free agency...and we still have a third of the roster to fill out. It might not end up being pretty, but we certainly have no idea yet. Gotta wait and see at the very least. |
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Post by famicommander on Jun 29, 2024 18:50:57 GMT -5
reminder that FA hasn't officially started yet. put the pitchforks down for now. maybe there's a plan in place. This is what is funny to me. Obviously our situation doesn't look super ideal with how constrained we are ..but even on the podcasts they're like "how do you feel if this is the team Denver takes into the season? Are they worse?" I mean, the off season has barely started and it's not even day 1 of the new league year and free agency...and we still have a third of the roster to fill out. It might not end up being pretty, but we certainly have no idea yet. Gotta wait and see at the very least. Unless we make trades we have a lot less than 1/3 of the roster to fill out. 1. Jokic 2. Murray 3. Gordon 4. Porter 5. Braun 6. Watson 7. Strawther 8. Nnaji 9. Pickett 10. Tyson 11. Holmes II 12. (KCP's spot) 13. (Vlatko's spot) 14. (Jordan's spot) 15. (Holiday's spot) 16. Hall (two-way) 17. Alexander (two-way) 18. (open two-way) If they let all three of Vlatko, DJ, and Holiday walk that makes 3 main roster spots and 1 two-way open. But booth has indicated a strong preference to keep Vlatko and DJ, and at least an interest in keeping Holiday. |
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Jun 29, 2024 19:03:14 GMT -5
Only 11 out of 15 of the main roster spots are filled (well technically only 10 currently signed), so that's where I was getting the third of the roster comment from. But yes, if they do just re-sign Vlatko and DJ, then there isn't a lot of room left for outside improvement in the remaining 2 spots. Though you would also expect Zeke to be moved for either someone else or an additional spot.
It really just comes down to who they're able to bring in for the TPMLE to replace KCP if he leaves, and/or if they decide to upgrade the backup C spot and not bring back DJ.
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Post by jimijam28 on Jun 29, 2024 19:08:38 GMT -5
reminder that FA hasn't officially started yet. put the pitchforks down for now. maybe there's a plan in place. This is what is funny to me. Obviously our situation doesn't look super ideal with how constrained we are ..but even on the podcasts they're like "how do you feel if this is the team Denver takes into the season? Are they worse?" I mean, the off season has barely started and it's not even day 1 of the new league year and free agency...and we still have a third of the roster to fill out. It might not end up being pretty, but we certainly have no idea yet. Gotta wait and see at the very least. Wake me up when it's sept |
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Post by famicommander on Jun 29, 2024 19:12:52 GMT -5
Only 11 out of 15 of the main roster spots are filled (well technically only 10 currently signed), so that's where I was getting the third of the roster comment from. But yes, if they do just re-sign Vlatko and DJ, then there isn't a lot of room left for outside improvement in the remaining 2 spots. Though you would also expect Zeke to be moved for either someone else or an additional spot. It really just comes down to who they're able to bring in for the TPMLE to replace KCP if he leaves, and/or if they decide to upgrade the backup C spot and not bring back DJ. 11 is right, I miscounted and skipped 9 when I numbered them |
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Jun 29, 2024 19:14:01 GMT -5
Only 11 out of 15 of the main roster spots are filled (well technically only 10 currently signed), so that's where I was getting the third of the roster comment from. But yes, if they do just re-sign Vlatko and DJ, then there isn't a lot of room left for outside improvement in the remaining 2 spots. Though you would also expect Zeke to be moved for either someone else or an additional spot. It really just comes down to who they're able to bring in for the TPMLE to replace KCP if he leaves, and/or if they decide to upgrade the backup C spot and not bring back DJ. 12 are signed including the 1st rounder, not 11. 1. Jokic 2. Murray 3. Gordon 4. Porter 5. Braun 6. Watson 7. Strawther 8. Nnaji 10. Pickett 11. Tyson 12. Holmes II You skipped #9 though. |
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Post by famicommander on Jun 29, 2024 19:23:31 GMT -5
12 are signed including the 1st rounder, not 11. 1. Jokic 2. Murray 3. Gordon 4. Porter 5. Braun 6. Watson 7. Strawther 8. Nnaji 10. Pickett 11. Tyson 12. Holmes II You skipped #9 though. Yeah, I missed a number. I think I just briefly forgot they already shipped Reggie out. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jun 29, 2024 19:50:55 GMT -5
He was mistaken. I broke it down in a followup comment. In short, you have to remain under the first apron *for the full year* in order to use the MLE, and if we used the entire MLE it'd take us back over the first apron. If we had KCP leave and traded Zeke for nothing, we could get to 14m combined for MLE + a couple of minimum slots, which would mean a usable partial MLE of about 9-10m which is the same amount as a Zeke trade exception would be worth. If we don't move Zeke for nothing, we'd have less than the TPMLE amount, so we'd have to stick to the TPMLE anyway. Looked at the numbers again on Spotrac and after Reggie was sent out the door the Nuggets have 10 active roster spots at $166,861,866. Add in Holmes contract at a tad over $3 mil and Calvin is starting with 11 active roster spots at $169,936,506. IF (and a big if) Calvin were to dump Zeke for cap space/future picks, then that number is back to 10 active roster spots at $161,047,617. Obviously it sounds like Cancar is coming back via vet min at a cap hit of $2,093,637 or a total of 11 active players at $163,141,254. That leaves at least 3 more spots to fill to get to the minimum of 14 roster spots (not counting two-way deals). Calvin seems likely to fill two of those spots via vet min deals at the same cap hit as Cancar (e.g., reference his comments about bringing back DJ and Holiday) that would move the needle to 13 active spots for a total of $167,328,528. In theory if Calvin were to stop at 14 roster spots + the 2-3 two-way deals while remaining under the 1st apron at $178,655,000 that would leave Calvin with up to $11,326,472 to offer somebody which is ~$1.6 mil below the full MLE. Essentially, Calvin could navigate things to get close to a full MLE (but still short) with 14 roster spots...or he could swap Zeke for another player and still use the tax payer MLE to get to 15 roster spots. I personally would favor the latter given our need for a backup PG... AND a wing off the bench that can score. OK, so they'll have two guys who can score well, Jokic and Murray. But, the latter may only play half the games given his track record. Porter and Gordon will play more games and do well offensively in about half of them. Then, there will be the bench which will be worth next to nothing. I guess they will still make the playoffs, but they ain't going far and won't last long. There is really no way for them to stop circling the drain over the next few years as Jokic deteriorates with age. Bye, bye Nuggets, it was fun knowing you. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jun 29, 2024 19:55:20 GMT -5
This is what is funny to me. Obviously our situation doesn't look super ideal with how constrained we are ..but even on the podcasts they're like "how do you feel if this is the team Denver takes into the season? Are they worse?" I mean, the off season has barely started and it's not even day 1 of the new league year and free agency...and we still have a third of the roster to fill out. It might not end up being pretty, but we certainly have no idea yet. Gotta wait and see at the very least. Unless we make trades we have a lot less than 1/3 of the roster to fill out. 1. Jokic 2. Murray 3. Gordon 4. Porter 5. Braun 6. Watson 7. Strawther 8. Nnaji 9. Pickett 10. Tyson 11. Holmes II 12. (KCP's spot) 13. (Vlatko's spot) 14. (Jordan's spot) 15. (Holiday's spot) 16. Hall (two-way) 17. Alexander (two-way) 18. (open two-way) If they let all three of Vlatko, DJ, and Holiday walk that makes 3 main roster spots and 1 two-way open. But booth has indicated a strong preference to keep Vlatko and DJ, and at least an interest in keeping Holiday. Even if the league let them have an 18 man roster-----that is one ugly team. |
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Post by famicommander on Jun 29, 2024 20:03:17 GMT -5
Unless we make trades we have a lot less than 1/3 of the roster to fill out. 1. Jokic 2. Murray 3. Gordon 4. Porter 5. Braun 6. Watson 7. Strawther 8. Nnaji 9. Pickett 10. Tyson 11. Holmes II 12. (KCP's spot) 13. (Vlatko's spot) 14. (Jordan's spot) 15. (Holiday's spot) 16. Hall (two-way) 17. Alexander (two-way) 18. (open two-way) If they let all three of Vlatko, DJ, and Holiday walk that makes 3 main roster spots and 1 two-way open. But booth has indicated a strong preference to keep Vlatko and DJ, and at least an interest in keeping Holiday. Even if the league let them have an 18 man roster-----that is one ugly team. Every team in the league gets an 18 man roster. 15 full time and 3 two-ways, just like last season. |
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Post by eathb on Jun 29, 2024 21:46:04 GMT -5
There's the first move
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Post by Tymes Rhymes on Jun 29, 2024 21:56:46 GMT -5
I sure hope Calvin has more in mind than just DJ for back up Center. I have a feeling Moach is going to run Holmes at the back up 5 even tho Calvin clearly sees him as a 4. Nnaji may or may not be traded in a few days,either way, he is not a Center as well.
Literally just Jokic and an aging Jordan right now (PJ Hall obviously won't play much); Don't know what to make of it.
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Post by aussie on Jun 29, 2024 22:09:44 GMT -5
The two most important signings this offseason IMO are the backup 1 and 5. Jamal and Joker need some rest respectively throughout the season, point in case game 7 against the Wolves where we just died from exhaustion.
Forget KCP, those two are our most important pieces. Malone also needs to harden the f*ck up and tell Jamal to sit when there's question marks over his health.
As many others have stated on here, go into the playoffs as a 4 seed but fully healthy and rested, we've got as good a chance as any.
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Post by wicked3line on Jun 29, 2024 22:11:39 GMT -5
Looks like we are running it back with DJ and some combo of Holmes and AG at backup center. Guess I can rest easy tonight...🤣
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Post by jacksalmon on Jun 29, 2024 22:33:11 GMT -5
Even if the league let them have an 18 man roster-----that is one ugly team. Every team in the league gets an 18 man roster. 15 full time and 3 two-ways, just like last season. I was talking about letting the Nuggets dress up 18 guys every night. It wouldn't make any difference if it was 12, or 24; they simply don't have much to offer. That bench will be even worse than this past year, if that is even possible. This is going to be one ugly team, especially on nights when Porter and Gordon do their disappearing acts. |
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Post by JB on Jun 29, 2024 22:33:12 GMT -5
always hilarious when we sign DJ during the first minute of Free Agency.
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Post by rock on Jun 29, 2024 22:37:01 GMT -5
I sure hope Calvin has more in mind than just DJ for back up Center. I have a feeling Moach is going to run Holmes at the back up 5 even tho Calvin clearly sees him as a 4. Nnaji may or may not be traded in a few days,either way, he is not a Center as well. Literally just Jokic and an aging Jordan right now (PJ Hall obviously won't play much); Don't know what to make of it. The front office is stuck, they know it so they’ll just fake try and run it back without kcp. They won their title. They are content for the next 10-20 years. |
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Post by famicommander on Jun 29, 2024 23:22:54 GMT -5
Murray/  ?/Pickett/Alexander Braun/Strawther/(Holiday?) MPJ/Watson/Tyson Gordon/(Cancar?)/Nnaji/Hall Jokic/Holmes/Jordan I guess we should use that last two-way on another 2/3. Yikes. |
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