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Post by bignuggets on Jun 28, 2024 12:30:03 GMT -5
I always wanted Klay here. Hitting those 3s that Jokic will find him open will be glorious even if he’s aged. You also can’t play off of him. More spacing for Jamal. Klay can still somewhat create for himself and work the mid-range game.
Sign me up if we lose KCP.
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Post by famicommander on Jun 28, 2024 12:31:11 GMT -5
Basically the question for Klay is, "Would he be better than Strawther?" and I think the answer to that is obviously still yes. So if we actually have a shot at getting him, take a swing.
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Post by wicked3line on Jun 28, 2024 12:31:54 GMT -5
I always wanted Klay here. Hitting those 3s that Jokic will find him open will be glorious even if he’s aged. You also can’t play off of him. More spacing for Jamal. Klay can still somewhat create for himself and work the mid-range game. Sign me up if we lose KCP. Not convinced Klay would accept the full MLE as that is all Calvin could offer. I'd set your sights on somebody more like Lonnie Walker. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jun 28, 2024 12:34:52 GMT -5
Who knows what the Nuggets will do to shore up this floudering, drowning team. But, one thing is for sure, there is no scenario that should depend on relying on Braun to provide the necessary spark/support. Either he is too awful and always under orders not to shoot except to beat the block; or he is too chicken s**t or completely unable to formulate a move that allows him to score on a helpful basis. He is not inconsistent like Porter and Gordon, both of whom have some occasional games when they look good. Braun is simply imcompetent when it comes to offense. This team is desperate and will have one of the worst benches in the league, no matter what they do.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Jun 28, 2024 12:41:25 GMT -5
This also crossed my mind. I was trying to think of what reason there would be to do it in separate transactions though. If we're still operating as a second apron team until KCP's cap hold is off the books, then maybe it's simply because we can't aggregate salaries and it'd have to be separated. And maybe it makes more sense to do the Zeke trade after the new league year starts? I'm not really sure. Either way I think it's a precursor to some other move regardless. Moving Nnaji is subject to the “poison pill provision” (for extended players) until the next fiscal year. Its that simple. Specifically: the Poison Pill means that if a player is extended and then traded before the extension takes effect, the salary matching rules are tougher (the incoming team has to have enough space to absorb the annual contract average, while the outgoing team can only bring back as much as the smaller contract.) So if we trade Zeke before FY 2024-25, we can only bring back 4.3m in salary while the other team would have to treat him like a 7.2m contract, but if we wait until after, both we and the other team would treat him like an 8.8m contract. On the plus side: the extension officially takes effect when the NBA season officially changes over on July 1, and then the moratorium lasts from July 1-6. So the Nuggets can't use Zeke's full contract in a trade this weekend, and any trade submitted next week has a built-in delay / back-out period, but on Monday Zeke becomes an 8.8m contract in both directions and by the end of next week the trade could be officially completed. |
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Post by rock on Jun 28, 2024 12:42:50 GMT -5
I love how Dallas is desperate to dump THJ and his $18 million and they do it immediately (and get back a decent player too) But we want to dump zekes $8 million and it’s impossible unless we give up multiple picks Have we ever had a competent front office? Feels like we are always just way behind and get taken advantage of in every contract and trade. Other front offices are able to make smart moves and give out reasonable deals. We just hand out overpays, player options, extra picks…whatever the players, agent or other team wants. Hardaway is a functional NBA player. Zeke is not. It's not complicated. Not according to mavs fans And did we just give up 3 SRP to dump 5 million and Dallas gave up 3 to dump 18 million? |
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Post by wicked3line on Jun 28, 2024 12:47:09 GMT -5
Who knows what the Nuggets will do to shore up this floudering, drowning team. But, one thing is for sure, there is no scenario that should depend on relying on Braun to provide the necessary spark/support. Either he is too awful and always under orders not to shoot except to beat the block; or he is too chicken s**t or completely unable to formulate a move that allows him to score on a helpful basis. He is not inconsistent like Porter and Gordon, both of whom have some occasional games when they look good. Braun is simply imcompetent when it comes to offense. This team is desperate and will have one of the worst benches in the league, no matter what they do. Nobody is going to confuse CB for Michael Jordan or even Jamal on offense but saying he is "incompetent" is absurd. The guy hit threes at over 38% as most teams would kill for a 3 and D wing like CB. Stupid post |
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Jun 28, 2024 12:48:51 GMT -5
Hardaway is a functional NBA player. Zeke is not. It's not complicated. Not according to mavs fans And did we just give up 3 SRP to dump 5 million and Dallas gave up 3 to dump 18 million? Detroit has like 80 million dollars in cap space that they have to spend this summer. Being able to essentially sign a guy to a one year expiring deal and pick up draft capital on top of it is nice for them. Things aren't always apples to apples. |
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Post by voodoo on Jun 28, 2024 13:06:10 GMT -5
Who knows what the Nuggets will do to shore up this floudering, drowning team. But, one thing is for sure, there is no scenario that should depend on relying on Braun to provide the necessary spark/support. Either he is too awful and always under orders not to shoot except to beat the block; or he is too chicken s**t or completely unable to formulate a move that allows him to score on a helpful basis. He is not inconsistent like Porter and Gordon, both of whom have some occasional games when they look good. Braun is simply imcompetent when it comes to offense. This team is desperate and will have one of the worst benches in the league, no matter what they do. Nobody is going to confuse CB for Michael Jordan or even Jamal on offense but saying he is "incompetent" is absurd. The guy hit threes at over 38% as most teams would kill for a 3 and D wing like CB. Stupid post I think that one of CB's faults his his reluctancy to take the open 3, and this should change with experience and a larger role on offense. |
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Post by BBBbbb on Jun 28, 2024 13:20:19 GMT -5
Who knows what the Nuggets will do to shore up this floudering, drowning team. But, one thing is for sure, there is no scenario that should depend on relying on Braun to provide the necessary spark/support. Either he is too awful and always under orders not to shoot except to beat the block; or he is too chicken s**t or completely unable to formulate a move that allows him to score on a helpful basis. He is not inconsistent like Porter and Gordon, both of whom have some occasional games when they look good. Braun is simply imcompetent when it comes to offense. This team is desperate and will have one of the worst benches in the league, no matter what they do. Nobody is going to confuse CB for Michael Jordan or even Jamal on offense but saying he is "incompetent" is absurd. The guy hit threes at over 38% as most teams would kill for a 3 and D wing like CB. Stupid post He's not even close to being 3 and D, the 3 part is very off. He's 3s come from being open and well positioned. There is a reason why opposing teams allow him to be in that position.
He's shot looks quite ugly if pressured. On defense he is the guy you help off or hide your bad defender on.
You had to have a guy on KCP all the time.
Spacing will suffer.
The Hoops Collective in the latest pod went off on Booth's comment and overall on the ownership if they let KCP go.
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Post by rock on Jun 28, 2024 13:20:24 GMT -5
At this point the front office did what they had to do, and got us our title. Unfortunately it’s all downhill as they have zero assets left, the cba is dismantling our team and our front office just doesn’t have the skill to fix this mess. There really is only one goal from this point on: do enough to make sure jokic never demands a trade. That’s all we have left.
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Post by JB on Jun 28, 2024 13:43:11 GMT -5
Booth needs to step down if that's his mentality.
it would be a crime against basketball to willingly waste Jokic's prime.
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Post by sawyeral on Jun 28, 2024 13:57:58 GMT -5
Looking back at the RJ saga...we sign him off the buyout market and he plays no role in the title run. Booth overpays him and gives him a ridiculous player option, he plays well for about 20 games and falls off a cliff. Hope was that he was at least a trade asset at that point. Instead we have to package picks just to dump his salary the following year.
Booth better be right about his talent evaluation of the young guys, because he sure as hell isn't proving to be all that shrewd of a GM on the trade/FA front.
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Post by jimijam28 on Jun 28, 2024 13:58:14 GMT -5
Blow it up, this team sucks
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jun 28, 2024 14:22:15 GMT -5
Looking back at the RJ saga...we sign him off the buyout market and he plays no role in the title run. Booth overpays him and gives him a ridiculous player option, he plays well for about 20 games and falls off a cliff. Hope was that he was at least a trade asset at that point. Instead we have to package picks just to dump his salary the following year. Booth better be right about his talent evaluation of the young guys, because he sure as hell isn't proving to be all that shrewd of a GM on the trade/FA front. Absolutely looks like we completely mismanaged the RJ situation. |
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Post by JB on Jun 28, 2024 14:30:50 GMT -5
I remember I delved into the advanced stats pre-signing that showed Reggie was cooked. Ok, we signed him anyway. he looked absolutely terrible any time Malone played him which confirmed my fears. no mia culpa, no moving on from Reggie and finding a non-washed option with the TPMLE. instead we double down and give him a two year contract. and the coup de grace is we had to burn 3 draft assets to get rid of him.
no, it doesn't get dumber than that.
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Post by rock on Jun 28, 2024 14:47:12 GMT -5
I remember I delved into the advanced stats pre-signing that showed Reggie was cooked. Ok, we signed him anyway. he looked absolutely terrible any time Malone played him which confirmed my fears. no mia culpa, no moving on from Reggie and finding a non-washed option with the TPMLE. instead we double down and give him a two year contract. and the coup de grace is we had to burn 3 draft assets to get rid of him. no, it doesn't get dumber than that. Giving him the player option was just so so stupid |
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Post by voodoo on Jun 28, 2024 15:26:37 GMT -5
I read somewhere that the type of contract that they offered him had to be for two years
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Jun 28, 2024 15:33:33 GMT -5
Now, regarding Jamal's reported soon-to-be-signed max extension:
the Nuggets are 8-3 in playoff series where Jamal and Joker both play. 4-0 in the first round, 2-2 in the second, 1-1 in the WCF, 1-0 in the finals. The Celtics in the last 5 years are 11-4 in playoff series (4-1, 4-0, 2-2, 1-1) in the weaker east, so at worst the Jokermal Nuggets are 1B to the Celtics 1A. The Joker-Jamal engine is good enough to make the Nuggets as good of a contender as anyone. So I don't see how you do anything other than give Jamal a (non-super) max, even with the health concerns, except maybe if you have to move him in a package for a Luka/SGA tier guy.
But that does mean you have to manage the rest of the assets really well. The second apron is about 135% of the cap, so if you have 2 players taking up 55% (supermax + 25 max), that leaves 80% of the cap for the whole rest of the roster, and you have to be smart about that. The Nuggets have MPJ on a 25% max, AG making about 18%, KCP was at 11%, and that leaves 26% of the cap for the entire bench. And the numbers I'm hearing for KCP offers are more like 16-18% of the cap, which if we keep him means the bench really has to be rookie-scale guys and vet min guys and that's it. We really have to either find a way to convert MPJ into a true max-value piece, or have really good bargain contracts for the whole rest of the roster, and that means you can't have Reggie on a bad deal, you can't have Zeke on a bad deal, and you have to have some of your recent draft picks work out. I think Braun, PWat, and Strawther are all worth well over what they're paid on their rookie deals, but losing assets over Reggie's dumb player option is a failure.
And, no, losing KCP wouldn't get us far enough below the apron to use the full MLE -- the first apron is at 178m, and we'd have to remain below that amount after using the MLE in order to use it. The Nuggets were at 191m in next-season salary before making any moves. Subtracting KCP + Reggie's almost 21m and adding in DH2's 3m makes 173m for 12 roster spots. That's only enough space for the smaller TPMLE, even if we leave open spots instead of 2 more veteran minimums. Moving Zeke for zero would create space for the 13m MLE (with another 1m to spare) but then every additional minimum contract would cut into that by about 2m. Best case if KCP walks is that we flip Zeke for a similar-priced player, use the 5m TPMLE or the slightly larger Reggie trade exception for someone better than Reggie, and pick up one more minimum contract guy (Justin was good enough.) Best case if we keep KCP is we still flip Zeke somehow, and some team trying to salary dump has a player who fits into the Reggie trade exception.
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Post by Ring on Jun 28, 2024 15:58:46 GMT -5
Anyone else shocked that Paul George is 34?
Also I'm cool with Klay. He's washed most likely but at this point what else can the Nuggets really do with limited money/assets?
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