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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Oct 11, 2024 14:02:03 GMT -5
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 11, 2024 14:40:16 GMT -5
I 100% agree with AG. I think the top 9-10 is much improved over last year, with a lot more flexibility. The only concern is outside shooting, if we had one more rotation 38+% outside shooter I'd feel real good about the season, especially if they were a guard! |
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Post by pie on Oct 11, 2024 16:08:39 GMT -5
I 100% agree with AG. I think the top 9-10 is much improved over last year, with a lot more flexibility. The only concern is outside shooting, if we had one more rotation 38+% outside shooter I'd feel real good about the season, especially if they were a guard!   |
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Post by rock on Oct 11, 2024 17:00:56 GMT -5
ngl bogdonovic would be a great fit
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 11, 2024 17:37:12 GMT -5
I 100% agree with AG. I think the top 9-10 is much improved over last year, with a lot more flexibility. The only concern is outside shooting, if we had one more rotation 38+% outside shooter I'd feel real good about the season, especially if they were a guard!Everyone would love to have Bogdan, but not sure we have pieces to trade for him. |
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Oct 11, 2024 18:26:03 GMT -5
matching salary for Bogdan would either require like Zeke + 4 more of the smaller contracts (like Tyson, Pickett, Vlatko, and DaRon) which doesn't provide much value to the Hawks, or one of the "big 4". Some people suggest MPJ for Bogdan, but MPJ is a better shooter, and the contracts don't match in the other direction, and then we get into having to add contracts on that side but clear roster spots on this side (like Bogi + Hunter or Bogi + Capela for MPJ + ?!?, where the ?!? is partly based on Hunter being worth more and Capela being worth less, and partly based on what kind of roster balance you want.)
Do I think Jamal/Bogi/Hunter/AG/Joker + Russ/Strawther/Braun/PWat/Saric is a better lineup than the current Nuggets? Not really, no. What about Jamal/Bogi/Braun/AG/Joker + Russ/Strawther/PWat/Saric/Capela? Also no. Of course Jamal/Bogi/MPJ/AG/Joker + Russ/Strawther/Braun/PWat/Saric is better, but it'd be shocking to somehow get a starter for one injured young guy and then the 10th, 12th, 14th, and 15th players on the roster.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 11, 2024 18:27:27 GMT -5
matching salary for Bogdan would either require like Zeke + 4 more of the smaller contracts (like Tyson, Pickett, Vlatko, and DaRon) which doesn't provide much value to the Hawks, or one of the "big 4". Some people suggest MPJ for Bogdan, but MPJ is a better shooter, and the contracts don't match in the other direction, and then we get into having to add contracts on that side but clear roster spots on this side (like Bogi + Hunter or Bogi + Capela for MPJ + ?!?, where the ?!? is partly based on Hunter being worth more and Capela being worth less, and partly based on what kind of roster balance you want.) Do I think Jamal/Bogi/Hunter/AG/Joker + Russ/Strawther/Braun/PWat/Saric is a better lineup than the current Nuggets? Not really, no. What about Jamal/Bogi/Braun/AG/Joker + Russ/Strawther/PWat/Saric/Capela? Also no. Of course Jamal/Bogi/MPJ/AG/Joker + Russ/Strawther/Braun/PWat/Saric is better, but it'd be shocking to somehow get a starter for one injured young guy and then the 10th, 12th, 14th, and 15th players on the roster. Spot on. |
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Post by passtheballquick on Oct 11, 2024 22:16:16 GMT -5
matching salary for Bogdan would either require like Zeke + 4 more of the smaller contracts (like Tyson, Pickett, Vlatko, and DaRon) which doesn't provide much value to the Hawks, or one of the "big 4". Some people suggest MPJ for Bogdan, but MPJ is a better shooter, and the contracts don't match in the other direction, and then we get into having to add contracts on that side but clear roster spots on this side (like Bogi + Hunter or Bogi + Capela for MPJ + ?!?, where the ?!? is partly based on Hunter being worth more and Capela being worth less, and partly based on what kind of roster balance you want.) Do I think Jamal/Bogi/Hunter/AG/Joker + Russ/Strawther/Braun/PWat/Saric is a better lineup than the current Nuggets? Not really, no. What about Jamal/Bogi/Braun/AG/Joker + Russ/Strawther/PWat/Saric/Capela? Also no. Of course Jamal/Bogi/MPJ/AG/Joker + Russ/Strawther/Braun/PWat/Saric is better, but it'd be shocking to somehow get a starter for one injured young guy and then the 10th, 12th, 14th, and 15th players on the roster. Mpj is not a better shoter than Bogdan lol. Bogdan is a better shooter and 2x better player than mpj. One is a winner and the other one is a mental midget/looser. One is playing with the most unselfish player in the world and the other one is playing with the most selfish player. One can be taken out of the game easily, the other one plays the best when the stakes are the highest. We missed the boat when we could trade mpj for Bogdan and Hunter. That's a pipe dream right now |
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Oct 11, 2024 22:20:46 GMT -5
Mpj is not a better shoter than Bogdan lol the lol was necessary because there's no way you could say that with a straight face. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 12, 2024 4:16:19 GMT -5
Not saying he is wrong, but ofc AG of all people dont really see the importance of floor spacing |
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Post by somborshuffle on Oct 12, 2024 5:32:09 GMT -5
If Brook Lopez can become a solid 3pt shooter then so can AG.
Plenty of guys improve their 3pt shooting as they age.
Malone needs to change his philosophy somewhat and we can no longer be last in 3PAs.
MPJs biggest strength is his 3pt shooting so he needs to launch 8-9 a game. On those days he hits 4-5 the Nuggets probably win.
Also MPJ and Jamal took a combined 12 or so 3PA per game last season. That needs to be closer to 15-16.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 12, 2024 9:10:06 GMT -5
matching salary for Bogdan would either require like Zeke + 4 more of the smaller contracts (like Tyson, Pickett, Vlatko, and DaRon) which doesn't provide much value to the Hawks, or one of the "big 4". Some people suggest MPJ for Bogdan, but MPJ is a better shooter, and the contracts don't match in the other direction, and then we get into having to add contracts on that side but clear roster spots on this side (like Bogi + Hunter or Bogi + Capela for MPJ + ?!?, where the ?!? is partly based on Hunter being worth more and Capela being worth less, and partly based on what kind of roster balance you want.) Do I think Jamal/Bogi/Hunter/AG/Joker + Russ/Strawther/Braun/PWat/Saric is a better lineup than the current Nuggets? Not really, no. What about Jamal/Bogi/Braun/AG/Joker + Russ/Strawther/PWat/Saric/Capela? Also no. Of course Jamal/Bogi/MPJ/AG/Joker + Russ/Strawther/Braun/PWat/Saric is better, but it'd be shocking to somehow get a starter for one injured young guy and then the 10th, 12th, 14th, and 15th players on the roster. Mpj is not a better shoter than Bogdan lol. Bogdan is a better shooter and 2x better player than mpj. One is a winner and the other one is a mental midget/looser. One is playing with the most unselfish player in the world and the other one is playing with the most selfish player. One can be taken out of the game easily, the other one plays the best when the stakes are the highest. We missed the boat when we could trade mpj for Bogdan and Hunter. That's a pipe dream right now MPJ 23-24 48/40/84 Career 49/41/80 Bogdan 23-24 43/37.4/92 Career 44/38/84 So no Bogdan is not a better "shooter" then MPJ. He may be a better creator a secondary ball handler we need but let's stick with facts. Losing MPJ shooting would be a major blow to a team that already doesn't have enough shooting. Now I might be able to be convinced of MPJ for Bogi and DeAndre Hunter. Not Bogi and Capella. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 12, 2024 9:12:17 GMT -5
If Brook Lopez can become a solid 3pt shooter then so can AG. Plenty of guys improve their 3pt shooting as they age. Malone needs to change his philosophy somewhat and we can no longer be last in 3PAs. MPJs biggest strength is his 3pt shooting so he needs to launch 8-9 a game. On those days he hits 4-5 the Nuggets probably win. Also MPJ and Jamal took a combined 12 or so 3PA per game last season. That needs to be closer to 15-16. This is perfectly said. We need to at least be middle of the pack in 3PA |
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Oct 12, 2024 11:57:00 GMT -5
I would definitely agree that we need to take more 3PA. Like, yeah, still get those Joker postups and floaters, and still get the AG dunks and good looks for cutters. But also get 3-4 more good three point looks for MPJ/Jamal and maybe guys like Saric and Strawther.
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Post by GBG on Oct 12, 2024 13:06:03 GMT -5
I would definitely agree that we need to take more 3PA. Like, yeah, still get those Joker postups and floaters, and still get the AG dunks and good looks for cutters. But also get 3-4 more good three point looks for MPJ/Jamal and maybe guys like Saric and Strawther. I’d hate to play a three point shooting contest with the really good shooting teams, though. We’d lose most of those games. Stick to our strengths which are passing, post play, cutting, and bully ball. And we have no idea if Strawther is a reliable 3PT shooter or not. |
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Post by jimijam28 on Oct 12, 2024 13:35:50 GMT -5
We tried that during the playoffs , jacking up 3 ball.it didn't work
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 12, 2024 13:40:00 GMT -5
I would definitely agree that we need to take more 3PA. Like, yeah, still get those Joker postups and floaters, and still get the AG dunks and good looks for cutters. But also get 3-4 more good three point looks for MPJ/Jamal and maybe guys like Saric and Strawther. I’d hate to play a three point shooting contest with the really good shooting teams, though. We’d lose most of those games. Stick to our strengths which are passing, post play, cutting, and bully ball. And we have no idea if Strawther is a reliable 3PT shooter or not. And how are you supposed to get good looks from inside the arc with bad spacing? Its not just about 3PM All the things you mention as our stenghts require spacing |
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Post by JB on Oct 12, 2024 14:34:18 GMT -5
Brook had an automatic midrange game with the Nets, he just extended that range a few feet back. unfair to compare his trajectory to AG
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Post by passtheballquick on Oct 12, 2024 17:29:12 GMT -5
Mpj is not a better shoter than Bogdan lol. Bogdan is a better shooter and 2x better player than mpj. One is a winner and the other one is a mental midget/looser. One is playing with the most unselfish player in the world and the other one is playing with the most selfish player. One can be taken out of the game easily, the other one plays the best when the stakes are the highest. We missed the boat when we could trade mpj for Bogdan and Hunter. That's a pipe dream right now MPJ 23-24 48/40/84 Career 49/41/80 Bogdan 23-24 43/37.4/92 Career 44/38/84 So no Bogdan is not a better "shooter" then MPJ. He may be a better creator a secondary ball handler we need but let's stick with facts. Losing MPJ shooting would be a major blow to a team that already doesn't have enough shooting. Now I might be able to be convinced of MPJ for Bogi and DeAndre Hunter. Not Bogi and Capella. The only skill that mpj has is "catch and shoot" and that's the only one. Last season Bogdanovic was in the top 5 catch and shoot. When someone beats you in the only category that you're good at, besides that you play with Jokic your entire career, nothing else needs to be said except that one occupies max money and the other one less than half of it |
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Post by GBG on Oct 12, 2024 17:37:46 GMT -5
Barton and Bogdan were/are very similar players who could do a little bit of everything at wing but nothing at an elite level. I admit Barton wasn’t as good in his prime as Bogdan, but Bogdan is now 32 years-old. MPJ is 26.
PTBQ is delusional to think he’s better than MPJ. Can’t teach length.
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