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Post by JB on Oct 8, 2024 11:53:06 GMT -5
I think nearly 100 made 3s on 260 attempts is a decent enough sample size that demonstrates Braun possess the ability to shoot at an above average level, he just lacks the confidence to shoot the rock when semi-open, not just completely open. this will come with experience and Jokic and Murray yelling at him to shoot when they pass him the ball.
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Post by GBG on Oct 8, 2024 12:08:02 GMT -5
I’m not so concerned about AG. His elite athleticism should last at least through age 32, barring injury. And I should point out what I discussed with scooter offline the other day. A lot of strong and athletic players like AG improved their 3PT shooting in their 30’s. Just look at LeBron and Carmelo. Both shot the 3-ball better in their 30’s than in their 20’s. My theory is guys like them work hard on their distance shooting as they age in order to reduce wear and tear on their bodies, as it’s much easier on the legs and other body parts to shoot from outside than to play so much bully ball.
Carmelo shot 31.1% from 3 for the Nuggets, 36.9% for the Knicks, and 39.9% for Portland, finishing his career with Lakers where he shot 37.5% from 3.
James shot 33.7% in his Cavs career over two stints (better in second stint), 35.7% with Lakers, but 41.0% with Lakers last season.
I expect AG, if he works hard at it, could shoot 35-37% from 3 when he’s in his 30’s, as compared to 32.3% that he’s shot through his age 28 season. He even said this was a focus this summer at media day, and he looks forward to showing his improved shot during the season.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 8, 2024 12:40:07 GMT -5
I’m not so concerned about AG. His elite athleticism should last at least through age 32, barring injury. And I should point out what I discussed with scooter offline the other day. A lot of strong and athletic players like AG improved their 3PT shooting in their 30’s. Just look at LeBron and Carmelo. Both shot the 3-ball better in their 30’s than in their 20’s. My theory is guys like them work hard on their distance shooting as they age in order to reduce wear and tear on their bodies, as it’s much easier on the legs and other body parts to shoot from outside than to play so much bully ball. Carmelo shot 31.1% from 3 for the Nuggets, 36.9% for the Knicks, and 39.9% for Portland, finishing his career with Lakers where he shot 37.5% from 3. James shot 33.7% in his Cavs career over two stints (better in second stint), 35.7% with Lakers, but 41.0% with Lakers last season. I expect AG, if he works hard at it, could shoot 35-37% from 3 when he’s in his 30’s, as compared to 32.3% that he’s shot through his age 28 season. He even said this was a focus this summer at media day, and he looks forward to showing his improved shot during the season. I hope your right. I would love to see us put AG in the corner more on teams playing two bigs who double with the 2nd big, and live with him take 4 3's in those games, no other way to develop confidence imo. Even him shooting 35% isn't a total loss. I just want more 3's taken in general to be honest. I think this year will be important to see if AG develops in the shooting department that he's been working on, and him doing so will have huge implications on our playoff success. IF AG, Braun, and Strawther are 36+% going into playoffs, and Jokic is back to 38% we will be very hard to beat imo! It also will make it easier to play Russ and PWat if the other guys are shooting better. Heck even just Jokic refinding his 3 would of won us the MIN series, even with the poor 3 pt shooting from others. |
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Post by scooter on Oct 8, 2024 13:00:17 GMT -5
I’m not so concerned about AG. His elite athleticism should last at least through age 32, barring injury. And I should point out what I discussed with scooter offline the other day. A lot of strong and athletic players like AG improved their 3PT shooting in their 30’s. Just look at LeBron and Carmelo. Both shot the 3-ball better in their 30’s than in their 20’s. My theory is guys like them work hard on their distance shooting as they age in order to reduce wear and tear on their bodies, as it’s much easier on the legs and other body parts to shoot from outside than to play so much bully ball. Carmelo shot 31.1% from 3 for the Nuggets, 36.9% for the Knicks, and 39.9% for Portland, finishing his career with Lakers where he shot 37.5% from 3. James shot 33.7% in his Cavs career over two stints (better in second stint), 35.7% with Lakers, but 41.0% with Lakers last season. I expect AG, if he works hard at it, could shoot 35-37% from 3 when he’s in his 30’s, as compared to 32.3% that he’s shot through his age 28 season. He even said this was a focus this summer at media day, and he looks forward to showing his improved shot during the season. I don’t think those are the best comps. Melo was an elite mid-range shooter (career 81% FT shooter) who, like most of the NBA, just worked to extend his effective range 5 feet further out. He always had excellent shooting mechanics. James is a little closer to AG because his natural shooting touch is only OK — 75% FT shooter. It’s extremely impressive that he has become as good as he is from outside, but he’s so crazy strong he can basically shoot threes the same way he shoots free throws, so that’s helped him improve his shot from distance. Gordon’s natural touch and shot mechanics are even poorer — career 68% FT and it’s not getting better. I’d say roughly 35% from three is his ceiling. |
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Post by GBG on Oct 8, 2024 13:08:17 GMT -5
I’m not so concerned about AG. His elite athleticism should last at least through age 32, barring injury. And I should point out what I discussed with scooter offline the other day. A lot of strong and athletic players like AG improved their 3PT shooting in their 30’s. Just look at LeBron and Carmelo. Both shot the 3-ball better in their 30’s than in their 20’s. My theory is guys like them work hard on their distance shooting as they age in order to reduce wear and tear on their bodies, as it’s much easier on the legs and other body parts to shoot from outside than to play so much bully ball. Carmelo shot 31.1% from 3 for the Nuggets, 36.9% for the Knicks, and 39.9% for Portland, finishing his career with Lakers where he shot 37.5% from 3. James shot 33.7% in his Cavs career over two stints (better in second stint), 35.7% with Lakers, but 41.0% with Lakers last season. I expect AG, if he works hard at it, could shoot 35-37% from 3 when he’s in his 30’s, as compared to 32.3% that he’s shot through his age 28 season. He even said this was a focus this summer at media day, and he looks forward to showing his improved shot during the season. I don’t think those are the best comps. Melo was an elite mid-range shooter (career 81% FT shooter) who, like most of the NBA, just worked to extend his effective range 5 feet further out. He always had excellent shooting mechanics. James is a little closer to AG because his natural shooting touch is only OK — 75% FT shooter. It’s extremely impressive that he has become as good as he is from outside, but he’s so crazy strong he can basically shoot threes the same way he shoots free throws, so that’s helped him improve his shot from distance. Gordon’s natural touch and shot mechanics are even poorer — career 68% FT and it’s not getting better. I’d say roughly 35% from three is his ceiling. 35% might be his regular season ceiling, but he shot 34.7% from 3 in 2022-23 RS, and more importantly 39.1% in championship playoff run. AG also shot 40.7% from 3 in 2024 postseason. AG had horrible 3PT% in his first three years with Orlando, shooting 27.1%, 29.6%, and 28.8% from 3. So his career 32.3% 3-point shot is brought down by his early years. 35% is realistic if AG focuses on his shooting as a method to reduce wear on his body. 37-38% would be overly optimistic I guess, but he has shot well in two straight postseasons, and that matters more. |
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Post by voodoo on Oct 8, 2024 13:22:54 GMT -5
They need to go back to 10 preseason games, Pickett needs all of the practice he can get.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 8, 2024 14:26:59 GMT -5
They need to go back to 10 preseason games, Pickett needs all of the practice he can get. Pickett won't play a minute this season, unless it's a game we're punting on trying to win. |
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Post by TNF on Oct 8, 2024 15:06:14 GMT -5
It's...funny...Picket can shoot just fine and his defense and passing skills are ok. It's the high-dribble combined with the inability to bring the ball up the floor which kill him. We noticed these weaknesses immediately. HOW did Booth and our scouts not notice?
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Post by GBG on Oct 8, 2024 15:08:35 GMT -5
It's...funny...Picket can shoot just fine and his defense and passing skills are ok. It's the high-dribble combined with the inability to bring the ball up the floor which kill him. We noticed these weaknesses immediately. HOW did Booth and our scouts not notice? Penn State bias. Calvin apparently was thinking with his heart, not his brain. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 8, 2024 21:29:39 GMT -5
Micic played 4 minutes in preseason game vs Heat it can't cost that mm much to pick him up!
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Post by jimijam28 on Oct 8, 2024 22:21:24 GMT -5
They need to go back to 10 preseason games, Pickett needs all of the practice he can get. who let voo back in? |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 9, 2024 5:32:41 GMT -5
I have no animus towards KCP and wish him the best. I'm just being realistic about our new second apron reality. we need to prioritize keeping AG. we can't pay our 5th best starter 22m. our biggest rival just sold their second best player to the Knicks. we need to be extremely f***ing smart with how we spend money from now on. We dont need to be extremely smart. We need ti be willing to just f***ing pay up. And not think we are smarter than anyone else We just need to be smart is probably Calvin motto. So high on his own fart |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 9, 2024 5:34:58 GMT -5
And if we let KCP go so we can extend AG. Then we probably should extend him now right?
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Post by JB on Oct 9, 2024 8:04:43 GMT -5
it takes two to tango Erik. maybe AG doesn't want to extend early.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 10, 2024 2:12:05 GMT -5
Sounds like AG if he got a fair offer
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Post by pie on Oct 10, 2024 6:31:43 GMT -5
Sounds like AG if he got a fair offer Or maybe AG saw how grossly overpaid both Jamal Murray and MPJ are and wants to be overpaid as well. The San Antonio Spurs (and even the LeBron Miami Heat) were able to create a dynasty because their key players took some sort of pay cut. Its crystal clear, Jamal, MPJ and most likely AG do not fall into this category. They only care about money This also goes back to how we have an awful GM in Booth and President in Josh Kroenke -- that allows overpay for role players like Jamal/MPJ/AG |
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Post by AbdulJabber on Oct 10, 2024 7:32:06 GMT -5
Very few players are willing to do that in their 20's.
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Post by wicked3line on Oct 10, 2024 7:35:06 GMT -5
Sounds like AG if he got a fair offer Or maybe AG saw how grossly overpaid both Jamal Murray and MPJ are and wants to be overpaid as well. The San Antonio Spurs (and even the LeBron Miami Heat) were able to create a dynasty because their key players took some sort of pay cut. Its crystal clear, Jamal, MPJ and most likely AG do not fall into this category. They only care about money This also goes back to how we have an awful GM in Booth and President in Josh Kroenke -- that allows overpay for role players like Jamal/MPJ/AG You can be certain AG sees MPJs salary and rightfully thinks he is worth as much. So if MPJ is making almost $36 mil this year, then AG likely thinks that is the floor for a base salary next season. The problem KSE has is the most they can offer him via an extension with a starting salary next season is around $32 mil and whether that is enough to placate AG is unknown. Doesn't mean AG is leaving Denver but it does mean he could easily opt for free agency next summer where he can force KSE hand to shelve out MPJ level money. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 10, 2024 8:49:18 GMT -5
I see some irony in the same guy that said Brunson didnt take a pay cut he was just being smart for not risking getting injury like IT did, says that AG is probably not interested in signing an extention
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 10, 2024 9:06:07 GMT -5
We'll see how the season goes. If AG can show a more consistent outside shot then we'll just go into the 2nd apron for 2 years, but if we are clunky and he can't do that, that will be a lot of $$ for a guy whos not a top 50 player. But losing him for nothing also isn't good. Am interested to see MPJ's growth this season. Seems like he took things seriously this summer, I'll be interested how he does this year. I wouldn't bet on it, but there is a scenario where MPJ with the added bulk can take on more PF duties, and maybe that's his position of the future and we look at bringing in another wing and we don't resign AG.
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