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Post by famicommander on Sept 30, 2024 22:34:25 GMT -5
We can't afford for either Murray or MPJ to be any sort of a problem this year. We need their 3 point shooting, period.
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Post by famicommander on Oct 1, 2024 18:10:58 GMT -5
"I just like the way they act because they are so silly" - Dikembe Mutombo on the Three Stooges
too pure for this world.
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Post by Ring on Oct 2, 2024 8:57:31 GMT -5
Jamal Murray is not the problem of this team. Mpj is. That guy will let us down in minimum 2 PO series and we won't be able to overcome it. Overloading Jokic and Murray is problem #2 Overall yes but in the vacuum of last years playoff run, Murray was the problem. The most value to this team that Bruce had is that it gave Malone an option if it wasn't an MPJ series. You could just insert Bruce and improve the team in those types of games/series. The Nuggets didn't have that option last year and they also don't have it this year. |
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Post by JB on Oct 2, 2024 10:08:58 GMT -5
you don't think Russ is capable of being an offensive spark?
the real value of Bruce is his presence allowed Murray to load manage during the regular season and wasn't a walking corpse like Reggie Jackson.
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Post by Ring on Oct 2, 2024 11:46:43 GMT -5
you don't think Russ is capable of being an offensive spark? the real value of Bruce is his presence allowed Murray to load manage during the regular season and wasn't a walking corpse like Reggie Jackson. I just don't think a Murray-Russ-CB-AG-Jokic lineup can close games because of the lack of shooting. Remember we had both KCP/Bruce at the time. Murray-KCP-Bruce-AG-Jokic is a nearly flawless lineup. Only flaw is length/rebounding from the backcourt. |
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Post by JB on Oct 2, 2024 14:12:06 GMT -5
we'll see.
maybe Braun will get more confidence shooting the rock playing 82 with Jokic and Murray or maybe Strawther can a 2 way player we can close with.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 2, 2024 14:43:04 GMT -5
you don't think Russ is capable of being an offensive spark? the real value of Bruce is his presence allowed Murray to load manage during the regular season and wasn't a walking corpse like Reggie Jackson. I just don't think a Murray-Russ-CB-AG-Jokic lineup can close games because of the lack of shooting. Remember we had both KCP/Bruce at the time. Murray-KCP-Bruce-AG-Jokic is a nearly flawless lineup. Only flaw is length/rebounding from the backcourt. To be fair, Bruce wasn't a good 3 pt shooter. He shot .316 in the playoffs. Now Russell is slightly worse, but I do think the extra ball-handler helps. I am somewhat excited at the versaility that Saric could possibly give us, and I'd love to see him play some 4 at times. Come playoff time, I'd like to see some Saric/Jokic lineup variance, just for the added spacing. |
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Post by wicked3line on Oct 4, 2024 8:24:51 GMT -5
No contract extension yet for AG as we are down to a little over 2 weeks left before the deadline. Still wonder how much KSE is trying to reduce contract value enough to avoid 2nd apron that pushes AG toward free agency next summer. First year, full amount of an extension would be around $32 mil but AG would likely find a starting salary over $35 mil via free agency. Will be an interesting next 2 weeks for KSE and AG.
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Post by pie on Oct 4, 2024 8:29:27 GMT -5
No contract extension yet for AG as we are down to a little over 2 weeks left before the deadline. Still wonder how much KSE is trying to reduce contract value enough to avoid 2nd apron that pushes AG toward free agency next summer. First year, full amount of an extension would be around $32 mil but AG would likely find a starting salary over $35 mil via free agency. Will be an interesting next 2 weeks for KSE and AG. Its baffling they will give a max extension to Jamal Murray, considering he is injury-prone and how poorly he performed in the playoffs and for Team Canada. Yet delay any extension for AG who has been consistent and deserving. Well, Calvin Booth will be known around the NBA for ruining Nikola Jokic's prime. Whenever he is fired by the Nuggets, that will definitely affect his ability to get another front office job. |
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Post by wicked3line on Oct 4, 2024 8:41:50 GMT -5
No contract extension yet for AG as we are down to a little over 2 weeks left before the deadline. Still wonder how much KSE is trying to reduce contract value enough to avoid 2nd apron that pushes AG toward free agency next summer. First year, full amount of an extension would be around $32 mil but AG would likely find a starting salary over $35 mil via free agency. Will be an interesting next 2 weeks for KSE and AG. Its baffling they will give a max extension to Jamal Murray, considering he is injury-prone and how poorly he performed in the playoffs and for Team Canada. Yet delay any extension for AG who has been consistent and deserving. Well, Calvin Booth will be known around the NBA for ruining Nikola Jokic's prime. Whenever he is fired by the Nuggets, that will definitely affect his ability to get another front office job. If you think Calvin is controlling the negotiations/contract value, then I've got some ocean front property I can sell you in Pueblo! The last 24 years of KSE tells you this is 100% KSE controlling the numbers side of negotiations...which is essentially the entire negotiation in this case. Booth is just the middle guy in this instance. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 7, 2024 8:00:19 GMT -5
As a GM you can say no. Or quit.
Kroenkes wouldnt like that unfolding.
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Post by scooter on Oct 7, 2024 15:19:15 GMT -5
As a GM you can say no. Or quit. Kroenkes wouldnt like that unfolding. Is this Pat Riley we are talking about? |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 7, 2024 18:32:23 GMT -5
KCP 1-4 0-2 from 3 in first game.
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Post by JB on Oct 7, 2024 19:32:13 GMT -5
going from Bron/Joker to playing off Franz Wagner and Paolo Banchero is what I call a stark contrast. good luck to Kentavious.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 8, 2024 6:49:21 GMT -5
going from Bron/Joker to playing off Franz Wagner and Paolo Banchero is what I call a stark contrast. good luck to Kentavious. Yeah exactly KCP is 50x move valuable to a team like Denver than a team like Orlando No matter what stats he produce on Magic doesnt make him less amazing playing with a star offensive player |
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Post by JB on Oct 8, 2024 8:37:36 GMT -5
I have no animus towards KCP and wish him the best. I'm just being realistic about our new second apron reality. we need to prioritize keeping AG. we can't pay our 5th best starter 22m.
our biggest rival just sold their second best player to the Knicks. we need to be extremely f***ing smart with how we spend money from now on.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 8, 2024 9:37:37 GMT -5
we'll see. maybe Braun will get more confidence shooting the rock playing 82 with Jokic and Murray or maybe Strawther can a 2 way player we can close with. I'm not convinced that either Strawther or Braun will ever be 40% 3PT shooters. Braun at even 38% seems high. Not because I don't think they're good players. I do, in fact I'm quite high on both, but typically 40% 3 PT shooters are also 80% FT shooters and neither Braun or Strawther has ever shot FT's 78%. And they've done that only one time each in college. In fact Braun is a career 75% FT shooter in college and 67% in the Pros. Strawther is a 75% college shooter and shot 71% last year. I think both can be 5th starter or 6th man guys who can be very productive. I think Strawther has the high offensive ceiling, whereas Braun has the higher defensive ceiling because he's a little stronger. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 8, 2024 9:44:46 GMT -5
I have no animus towards KCP and wish him the best. I'm just being realistic about our new second apron reality. we need to prioritize keeping AG. we can't pay our 5th best starter 22m. our biggest rival just sold their second best player to the Knicks. we need to be extremely f***ing smart with how we spend money from now on. You and I are on the same page on KCP, I'm not so sure we aren't going to see a decline from him over the next 2-3 years. I don't think he will be the defender he's been because he's hitting the other side of 30, and when your legs start to go, Guards especially start to see there 3 pt shot efficiency start to dip. I think we definitely made the right decision, with the 2nd apron in view with KCP. Now if we could spend with impunity then yeah should of brought him back, but that's not the league anymore. I'm going to play a little devil's advocate on AG. AG has been absolutely vital to what we've done the last 3 years, but I can't say I'm also not worried about his slippage. He's so reliant on his athleticism, and I worry about giving him a 4 year max starting next year for his years 30-33. I hope I'm wrong and that he has a great season this year, but he slipped down to 13.6 ppg this last season and his 3 PT shot % dropped 5%. I wouldn't be suprised to see him in the 11-13 PPG range this year, and that production with his lack of a 3 PT shot I'm not sure that is worth giving close to a max contract too. I've flip flopped on this a few times, so I'm not saying this is a guarantee or anything just my worry. |
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Post by scooter on Oct 8, 2024 11:31:34 GMT -5
we'll see. maybe Braun will get more confidence shooting the rock playing 82 with Jokic and Murray or maybe Strawther can a 2 way player we can close with. I'm not convinced that either Strawther or Braun will ever be 40% 3PT shooters. Braun at even 38% seems high. Not because I don't think they're good players. I do, in fact I'm quite high on both, but typically 40% 3 PT shooters are also 80% FT shooters and neither Braun or Strawther has ever shot FT's 78%. And they've done that only one time each in college. In fact Braun is a career 75% FT shooter in college and 67% in the Pros. Strawther is a 75% college shooter and shot 71% last year. I think both can be 5th starter or 6th man guys who can be very productive. I think Strawther has the high offensive ceiling, whereas Braun has the higher defensive ceiling because he's a little stronger. Agreed. Braun has never been a “shooter” in any real way and cannot realistically be expected to be a “good” shooter on any kind of volume. Average is the realistic goal for him. According to basketball reference, the league average on threes last season was 36.7%. That’s a good, realistic goal for him. Strawther is more of a shooter and his long range and quick release are weapons themselves. But I don’t expect him to shoot a “good” percentage unless he also improves his FT shooting. There are a few guys — including MPJ — who outshoot from three the kind of shooter they are on FTs, but its difficult to find a “very good” three point shooter who is not at least shooting 80% on FTs. Overall, I agree that Strawther is never going to be Klay Thompson (or Sam Hauser — the bench version) — it’s not realistic. A sort of Terrance Mann (37% career 3PT%) seems like a more realistic kind of goal/comp IMO, although Strawther clearly has been given a bright green light to shoot because of team needs. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 8, 2024 11:40:54 GMT -5
I'm not convinced that either Strawther or Braun will ever be 40% 3PT shooters. Braun at even 38% seems high. Not because I don't think they're good players. I do, in fact I'm quite high on both, but typically 40% 3 PT shooters are also 80% FT shooters and neither Braun or Strawther has ever shot FT's 78%. And they've done that only one time each in college. In fact Braun is a career 75% FT shooter in college and 67% in the Pros. Strawther is a 75% college shooter and shot 71% last year. I think both can be 5th starter or 6th man guys who can be very productive. I think Strawther has the high offensive ceiling, whereas Braun has the higher defensive ceiling because he's a little stronger. Agreed. Braun has never been a “shooter” in any real way and cannot realistically be expected to be a “good” shooter on any kind of volume. Average is the realistic goal for him. According to basketball reference, the league average on threes last season was 36.7%. That’s a good, realistic goal for him. Strawther is more of a shooter and his long range and quick release are weapons themselves. But I don’t expect him to shoot a “good” percentage unless he also improves his FT shooting. There are a few guys — including MPJ — who outshoot from three the kind of shooter they are on FTs, but its difficult to find a “very good” three point shooter who is not at least shooting 80% on FTs. Overall, I agree that Strawther is never going to be Klay Thompson (or Sam Hauser — the bench version) — it’s not realistic. A sort of Terrance Mann (37% career 3PT%) seems like a more realistic kind of goal/comp IMO, although Strawther clearly has been given a bright green light to shoot because of team needs. That's exactly where I'm at for both. If Braun can become avg. 3 PT shooter his other skills will be more then enough to make him a + player. Strawther can be a scorer off the bench who's can probably as you say be a good but not great shooter, but again a valuable weapon. Are issues are that AG, Russ, and PWat are probably going to be negative shooters, though again provide other things, the issue is the # of negative shooters we have, not any of them so much in vacuum, and how to make them fit together. |
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