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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Sept 27, 2024 13:28:49 GMT -5
Somewhere in my basement I have a sign that says something like "Show Joe the money" from the Joe Wolf (unofficial) fan club that someone handed me after the game when I was like 12 and super fascinated by said fan club.
Joe Wolf drove up while we were talking and one of them was like "here autograph my shoe" and he did it.
RIP
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Post by nuggetshipster on Sept 27, 2024 13:41:08 GMT -5
Ring is flat out insane if he really wants Murray off the team and believes the worst side of Murray (the heat pack throwing incident) defines who he is as a player, teammate, and person. Ring is also unreasonable if he doesn’t understand that Murray’s poor showing in the postseason was heavily influenced by calf muscle and other injuries he was battling. Lesser players wouldn’t have even suited up and made themselves available to play. At maybe 70-80% due to nagging injuries, Murray did suit up, played, and never complained about his physical health. Hopefully he’s 100% healthy in the next postseason since that’s the only way we could make a deep playoff run. iron man Murray schtick |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Sept 27, 2024 14:12:15 GMT -5
Ring is flat out insane if he really wants Murray off the team and believes the worst side of Murray (the heat pack throwing incident) defines who he is as a player, teammate, and person. Ring is also unreasonable if he doesn’t understand that Murray’s poor showing in the postseason was heavily influenced by calf muscle and other injuries he was battling. Lesser players wouldn’t have even suited up and made themselves available to play. At maybe 70-80% due to nagging injuries, Murray did suit up, played, and never complained about his physical health. Hopefully he’s 100% healthy in the next postseason since that’s the only way we could make a deep playoff run. How many years have we gotten a 100% healthy Murray in the postseason? Can we count on him to be healthy when it matters? Just paid him $50M. Fun times. Why do you guys not understand that there is a reason why Murray is always hurt/tired? You're just ahead of the curve. At the end of the day Murray has to go supernova for us to have a shot at title, but that also means he has to be healthy, and statistics say that's a 50/50 shot at best, and he's shown no desire to transform his body, so when we get to the playoffs and IF Murray is injured everyone will be complaining, and you will get to tell them all "I told you so"!! |
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Post by Ring on Sept 27, 2024 15:38:58 GMT -5
The unfortunate part is Murray does not have to go supernova for us to have a shot at a title. He has to play at an All Star level, which is something 24 guys get the honor of being. If he can play like an All Star in the playoffs, the Nuggets probably won't lose due to Jokic. They almost made the WCF with him playing atrocious for 80% of the playoff run.
If Jokic had a consistent running mate, the Nuggets would be a lock for another Championship. With Murray, you never know what you're going to get. He might put up a Bubble/Championship level performance, he may get hurt, he may play like s**t. It's impossible to know.
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Post by JB on Sept 27, 2024 16:43:03 GMT -5
you know what you're going to get.
2019 - by all metrics a good run by a rookie playoff performer
2020: absolutely elite
2023: see above
2024: bad/injured with moments of brilliance
Jamal Murray suffered a freak injury in 2021, returned and played 85 games in en route to a championship and was rewarded with the shortest off season of his career and Malone prioritizing seeding over rest. Jamal suffering injury to basically his entire Kinetic Chain is a residual effect of his recovery.
he's getting load shared this season with Russ on board. calm the f**k down you hysterical losers.
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Post by GBG on Sept 27, 2024 16:48:34 GMT -5
The unfortunate part is Murray does not have to go supernova for us to have a shot at a title. He has to play at an All Star level, which is something 24 guys get the honor of being. If he can play like an All Star in the playoffs, the Nuggets probably won't lose due to Jokic. They almost made the WCF with him playing atrocious for 80% of the playoff run. If Jokic had a consistent running mate, the Nuggets would be a lock for another Championship. With Murray, you never know what you're going to get. He might put up a Bubble/Championship level performance, he may get hurt, he may play like s**t. It's impossible to know. See, this is the way a mature fan could write a reasonable take on Murray. Nothing to dispute in this comment, which is why your earlier comment calling for Murray to be off this team was so crazy. It’s as if you have mood swings and can’t control yourself. It’s just sports, ie entertainment, and you let your anger on Murray get the best of you. |
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Post by Ring on Sept 27, 2024 18:08:00 GMT -5
The unfortunate part is Murray does not have to go supernova for us to have a shot at a title. He has to play at an All Star level, which is something 24 guys get the honor of being. If he can play like an All Star in the playoffs, the Nuggets probably won't lose due to Jokic. They almost made the WCF with him playing atrocious for 80% of the playoff run. If Jokic had a consistent running mate, the Nuggets would be a lock for another Championship. With Murray, you never know what you're going to get. He might put up a Bubble/Championship level performance, he may get hurt, he may play like s**t. It's impossible to know. See, this is the way a mature fan could write a reasonable take on Murray. Nothing to dispute in this comment, which is why your earlier comment calling for Murray to be off this team was so crazy. It’s as if you have mood swings and can’t control yourself. It’s just sports, ie entertainment, and you let your anger on Murray get the best of you. People are allowed to enjoy sports any way they want. I don't like the way Murray has conducted himself recently. I've made it clear that I do not trust him to take his body serious enough to be an elite player. Trust me, I very rarely get angry about the Nuggets anymore. I get pretty upset after they flame out in the playoffs but the Championship changed everything for me. If I die and the Nuggets never win another ring, I am content. But I'll be extremely disappointed because Jokic deserves to go down as top 5 ever. |
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Post by AbdulJabber on Sept 27, 2024 20:58:40 GMT -5
That sucks man. He was a good dude. |
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Post by rock on Sept 27, 2024 21:39:13 GMT -5
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Post by somborshuffle on Sept 27, 2024 21:52:09 GMT -5
That's great news for Jokic and the Nuggets.
Towns should be a perfect fit in New York. They look scary right now if they can stay healthy. Shooting from all over the floor.
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Post by aussie on Sept 27, 2024 22:06:27 GMT -5
News that’s distracted me from watching Katy Perry perform at our AFL Grand Final today.
This only helps us IMO. One less big body who can stretch the floor and KAT was an underrated defender
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Post by nuggetshipster on Sept 28, 2024 5:34:23 GMT -5
TC continues to do more for us than Booth |
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Post by pie on Sept 28, 2024 6:01:22 GMT -5
TC continues to do more for us than Booth Wish we could bring back TC as GM ...or had someone like Sam Presti or even Danny Ainge lol |
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Post by duh88 on Sept 28, 2024 7:46:32 GMT -5
I think a lot of people here forgot that Game 7 game against Minny -
Jamal gave us 35 points on 43 mins. Stepped up when we need him most - as he always does.
Calm, family. Jamal is going to be solid this year.
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Post by duh88 on Sept 28, 2024 7:47:02 GMT -5
Regarding Joe Wolf -
Dude always hung out after the games and signed autographs. Super nice guy. My thoughts to his family.
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Post by pie on Sept 28, 2024 9:48:32 GMT -5
I think a lot of people here forgot that Game 7 game against Minny - Jamal gave us 35 points on 43 mins. Stepped up when we need him most - as he always does. Calm, family. Jamal is going to be solid this year. Its been discussed ad nauseam, but Jamal is too injury prone. On top of this, he has never made an all-star (and most likely never will) and being paid $50 million/year. Then we got washed up 36 year old Russell Westbrick -- who changes contenders to pretenders -- wherever he has gone. To ask Jokic to make Westbrick a winner is a bit too much -- considering he has to carry the team and organization. I agree with you, politically, buddy. Trump 2024 |
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Post by scooter on Sept 29, 2024 18:34:34 GMT -5
See, this is the way a mature fan could write a reasonable take on Murray. Nothing to dispute in this comment, which is why your earlier comment calling for Murray to be off this team was so crazy. It’s as if you have mood swings and can’t control yourself. It’s just sports, ie entertainment, and you let your anger on Murray get the best of you. People are allowed to enjoy sports any way they want. I don't like the way Murray has conducted himself recently. I've made it clear that I do not trust him to take his body serious enough to be an elite player. Trust me, I very rarely get angry about the Nuggets anymore. I get pretty upset after they flame out in the playoffs but the Championship changed everything for me. If I die and the Nuggets never win another ring, I am content. But I'll be extremely disappointed because Jokic deserves to go down as top 5 ever. I don’t have that much information, but I lean toward disagreeing about Murray and his conditioning. I think he’s just prone to lower body injuries and at times that has gotten in the way of him being in top shape. I see the covid season as being consistent with how I look at it. The NBA shut down completely for 4 months and players were barred from team facilities. Murray: 1) had rest time off from the wear and tear of the NBA game schedule to get the usual NBA injuries healed up, and 2) had solitary gym time to work out and get in excellent shape. I don’t see how his great conditioning in the bubble run is consistent with a guy who doesn’t work out away from NBA team stuff. (BTW, I attributed Lebron’s late career championship to the same time off. Even by 2020 (his 17th season), I didn’t think Lebron was capable of doing his thing for heavy minutes for 8 months straight.) Let’s consider last season — Murray struggled with shin splints for long stretches of the season. The main treatment for that (I’m a runner, albeit a slow and limited one) is the RICE protocol — rest, ice, compression, elevation. You can’t do much aerobic conditioning when you are staying off your feet. Once the shin splints flared up, what was he supposed to do? Keep pushing and develop a stress fracture? Or shut it down completely for a month — have the team deal with some losses — and then ramp his conditioning back up during the season? There are no great options during the season. And last season came after a short offseason. I see no evidence Murray didn’t give the team what he had last season. He just battled injuries. Murray’s relationship with the press is a different story altogether. He seems to be a very private and occasionally moody person. Everyone can see he has an often prickly relationship with the press. It is what it is. But I don’t see that that has anything to do with his on court performance. |
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Post by AbdulJabber on Sept 30, 2024 8:57:40 GMT -5
Yeah, sorry to the folks that are pinning hopes on Murray conditioning himself out of his injury issues. I don't see that happening. We've seen plenty of examples of poorly conditioned guys that rarely get hurt and vice versa.
I think some guys just don't have the elasticity in their joints. He rolls his ankles a lot. He can be a heavy stepper sometimes, like really planting his feet hard. Chances are, he's gonna get hurt here and there. You hope it's minor stuff that he can play through, but I think you just load manage him as much as you can and cross your fingers that he's himself in the playoffs.
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Post by nuggets77 on Sept 30, 2024 13:40:36 GMT -5
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Post by passtheballquick on Sept 30, 2024 21:37:06 GMT -5
Jamal Murray is not the problem of this team. Mpj is. That guy will let us down in minimum 2 PO series and we won't be able to overcome it. Overloading Jokic and Murray is problem #2
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