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Post by GBG on Aug 19, 2024 13:03:03 GMT -5
I don’t understand Ring’s inconsistency with his takes. His whole agenda in the late season and playoff time was that there are Jokic fans and Nuggets fans, and that the Jokic fans are too easy on him. We need to criticize Jokic when warranted was Ring’s take. Which I agree with, though it can go overboard since he still the best player we will ever have on this team. Now, he does the exact opposite! Says Murray is literally the only player that matters, and that you know Jokic will be the best player on the floor. Huh? I get whiplash reading his stuff sometimes. Ring literally ignored that Jokic shot 2 for 10 from 3 in Game 7 at home, and we lost by 8. 4-10 gets us 6 more points directly, and probably saves us 4 points on the defensive end by slowing Minny down as they have to inbound ball after two more makes instead of pushing on fast break after a miss. That 2-10 by Jokic was the one stat one could point to that eliminated us from the playoffs. Did Ring make an effort to point this out? Nope. Crickets. Because, now to his way of thinking, only Murray matters, lol. There's no reason to point it out because Jokic still put up historic numbers. His level of play was good enough for a #1 option on a Championship team. Effort needed to be better at times but I'm not blaming a #1 option putting up 29/13/9 when the #2 option who talks s**t to the media and his opponents embarrasses the franchise both on and off the floor. Guy had his worst playoffs of his career, threw a heat pack on the floor, cried to officials. Lets give him a max! s**t is a joke. No matter how you slice it, Jamal Murray is not worth a max contract. Just like Michael Porter Jr is not worth a max contract. Now people will do what they do and go "yeah but Brandon Ingram got a max. Lonzo got a max. etc" So yes, lets just do things other dumb franchises do. If you confidently think that Murray/AG/MPJ as 2/3/4 options are winning another Championship, I genuinely think you are insane. Jokic is arguably the best player of all time but he can't carry guys who shoot 40% from the field and 30% from 3. Oh, so now you’re saying Murray/AG/MPJ all matter and Jokic can’t win us another chip with them, even though he won a chip with them. At least, you’re not simply saying Murray alone is all that matters. Mr. Inconsistency strikes again, lol. BTW, I don’t expect the Nuggets to win another chip in the Jokic era. Never did. Lucky for us, they did once. So you don’t have to worry about my sanity. Murray is worth the max when there no viable alternatives. You just complain and never suggest a realistic alternative to paying him the max that improves our championship odds. |
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Post by rock on Aug 19, 2024 13:07:12 GMT -5
I don’t understand Ring’s inconsistency with his takes. His whole agenda in the late season and playoff time was that there are Jokic fans and Nuggets fans, and that the Jokic fans are too easy on him. We need to criticize Jokic when warranted was Ring’s take. Which I agree with, though it can go overboard since he still the best player we will ever have on this team. Now, he does the exact opposite! Says Murray is literally the only player that matters, and that you know Jokic will be the best player on the floor. Huh? I get whiplash reading his stuff sometimes. Ring literally ignored that Jokic shot 2 for 10 from 3 in Game 7 at home, and we lost by 8. 4-10 gets us 6 more points directly, and probably saves us 4 points on the defensive end by slowing Minny down as they have to inbound ball after two more makes instead of pushing on fast break after a miss. That 2-10 by Jokic was the one stat one could point to that eliminated us from the playoffs. Did Ring make an effort to point this out? Nope. Crickets. Because, now to his way of thinking, only Murray matters, lol. There's no reason to point it out because Jokic still put up historic numbers. His level of play was good enough for a #1 option on a Championship team. Effort needed to be better at times but I'm not blaming a #1 option putting up 29/13/9 when the #2 option who talks s**t to the media and his opponents embarrasses the franchise both on and off the floor. Guy had his worst playoffs of his career, threw a heat pack on the floor, cried to officials. Lets give him a max! s**t is a joke. No matter how you slice it, Jamal Murray is not worth a max contract. Just like Michael Porter Jr is not worth a max contract. Now people will do what they do and go "yeah but Brandon Ingram got a max. Lonzo got a max. etc" So yes, lets just do things other dumb franchises do. If you confidently think that Murray/AG/MPJ as 2/3/4 options are winning another Championship, I genuinely think you are insane. Jokic is arguably the best player of all time but he can't carry guys who shoot 40% from the field and 30% from 3. I agree Unfortunately with current nba rules murray is getting maxed. If we don’t, he walks and we have zero ways of improving. If we were allowed to spend his $50 million elsewhere I’d definitely consider it |
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Post by Dante on Aug 19, 2024 17:21:06 GMT -5
If Jamal was UFA this summer, which NBA team in this new CBA is giving Jamal 50+ million? Name one team that had cap space or will have cap space next summer and is willing to overpay an injury prone player to a 5 year near supermax deal...
What is wrong with 40 million per year? I think that is more realistic value to pay Jamal and gives us more flexibility to extend AG next summer while avoiding 2nd apron?
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Post by JB on Aug 19, 2024 17:33:32 GMT -5
if Masai thinks Jamal could be available, he's 100% going to clear enough cap space to sign him. that's one.
40m is near MPJ territory and Murray is more valuable to the Nuggets than Mike (I really hope I don't have to argue that point). the time to be financially prudent was during summer of 2022. the Nuggets boxed themselves into a corner giving MPJ that albatross and have to live with consequences of their actions.
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Post by Dante on Aug 19, 2024 17:45:51 GMT -5
if Masai thinks Jamal could be available, he's 100% going to clear enough cap space to sign him. that's one. 40m is near MPJ territory and Murray is more valuable to the Nuggets than Mike (I really hope I don't have to argue that point). the time to be financially prudent was during summer of 2022. the Nuggets boxed themselves into a corner giving MPJ that albatross and have to live with consequences of their actions. Ofcourse that Jamal is worth way more than MPJ, MPJ is overvalued and overpaid and we should explore to turn him into something like Bogdanovic/Hunter or so. That does not mean that Jamal is worth more than 40. 40 is realistic number. And no, i do not think Masai will bring Jamal at 5 year 50 + million per year in the middle of rebuilding... If we sit here next summer talking about how losing AG just like we lost KCP it will be even bigger s**t show than it is now. AG is opting out of his PO 100% and will look at something around 35 per year minimum. |
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Post by rock on Aug 19, 2024 17:59:06 GMT -5
If Jamal was UFA this summer, which NBA team in this new CBA is giving Jamal 50+ million? Name one team that had cap space or will have cap space next summer and is willing to overpay an injury prone player to a 5 year near supermax deal... What is wrong with 40 million per year? I think that is more realistic value to pay Jamal and gives us more flexibility to extend AG next summer while avoiding 2nd apron? We all know booth is just going to pay murray whatever his agent asks for |
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Post by Dante on Aug 19, 2024 18:03:45 GMT -5
If Jamal was UFA this summer, which NBA team in this new CBA is giving Jamal 50+ million? Name one team that had cap space or will have cap space next summer and is willing to overpay an injury prone player to a 5 year near supermax deal... What is wrong with 40 million per year? I think that is more realistic value to pay Jamal and gives us more flexibility to extend AG next summer while avoiding 2nd apron? We all know booth is just going to pay murray whatever his agent asks for Having MPJ on a deal he is at hurts us not only in present but in future. Not only in extending Jamal and AG (Both have good case negotiating at minimum similar deal as MPJ) but in case of CB and Watson making massive leap and looking at MPJ deal (one trick pony) and instead of staying in Denver, testing the market... MPJ contract is albatros on so many levels it's not even funny... |
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Post by rock on Aug 19, 2024 18:06:54 GMT -5
if Masai thinks Jamal could be available, he's 100% going to clear enough cap space to sign him. that's one. 40m is near MPJ territory and Murray is more valuable to the Nuggets than Mike (I really hope I don't have to argue that point). the time to be financially prudent was during summer of 2022. the Nuggets boxed themselves into a corner giving MPJ that albatross and have to live with consequences of their actions. Ofcourse that Jamal is worth way more than MPJ, MPJ is overvalued and overpaid and we should explore to turn him into something like Bogdanovic/Hunter or so. That does not mean that Jamal is worth more than 40. 40 is realistic number. And no, i do not think Masai will bring Jamal at 5 year 50 + million per year in the middle of rebuilding... If we sit here next summer talking about how losing AG just like we lost KCP it will be even bigger s**t show than it is now. AG is opting out of his PO 100% and will look at something around 35 per year minimum. Why are we the only team that cannot keep free agents? |
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Post by Dante on Aug 19, 2024 18:13:15 GMT -5
idk but i have a feeling that around playoffs time this season, CB will be more valuable to the team than MPJ (he finished over MPJ bunch of games last year and even in his rookie year in the playoffs). How are we going to look at CB future deal? Every player agent will be using MPJ deal as upper hand in negotiations...
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Post by Ring on Aug 19, 2024 19:01:14 GMT -5
There's no reason to point it out because Jokic still put up historic numbers. His level of play was good enough for a #1 option on a Championship team. Effort needed to be better at times but I'm not blaming a #1 option putting up 29/13/9 when the #2 option who talks s**t to the media and his opponents embarrasses the franchise both on and off the floor. Guy had his worst playoffs of his career, threw a heat pack on the floor, cried to officials. Let’s give him a max! s**t is a joke. No matter how you slice it, Jamal Murray is not worth a max contract. Just like Michael Porter Jr is not worth a max contract. Now people will do what they do and go "yeah but Brandon Ingram got a max. Lonzo got a max. etc" So yes, lets just do things other dumb franchises do. If you confidently think that Murray/AG/MPJ as 2/3/4 options are winning another Championship, I genuinely think you are insane. Jokic is arguably the best player of all time but he can't carry guys who shoot 40% from the field and 30% from 3. Oh, so now you’re saying Murray/AG/MPJ all matter and Jokic can’t win us another chip with them, even though he won a chip with them. At least, you’re not simply saying Murray alone is all that matters. Mr. Inconsistency strikes again, lol. BTW, I don’t expect the Nuggets to win another chip in the Jokic era. Never did. Lucky for us, they did once. So you don’t have to worry about my sanity. Murray is worth the max when there no viable alternatives. You just complain and never suggest a realistic alternative to paying him the max that improves our championship odds. My point is that MPJ and AG aren’t good enough players to help carry the team alongside Jokic if Murray is playing like s**t. Murray and Jokic playing well can basically offset everyone else on the team which is exactly why I said Murray is the only one that matters. If he’s not playing at a very high level the Nuggets are dead |
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Post by Ring on Aug 19, 2024 19:02:12 GMT -5
If Jamal was UFA this summer, which NBA team in this new CBA is giving Jamal 50+ million? Name one team that had cap space or will have cap space next summer and is willing to overpay an injury prone player to a 5 year near supermax deal... What is wrong with 40 million per year? I think that is more realistic value to pay Jamal and gives us more flexibility to extend AG next summer while avoiding 2nd apron? Not a single team is giving him 50M a year except the Nuggets. Hopefully Calvin is smart enough to realize the Nuggets can reset if needed. Let Murray go to free agency and walk away from Jokic. We’ll see how successful he is. |
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Post by Ring on Aug 19, 2024 19:06:11 GMT -5
The MPJ hate is overblown. He sucks against certain opponents and isn’t a max player but he does have a ton of value to the team. Even more so this year as the Nuggets will be reliant on his spacing. The guy is one of the more efficient 3rd options in basketball.
The Nuggets need a guy like Bruce where when it’s not an MPJ matchup you can just bench him. The problem is without Bruce nobody could step up to that role. And this year will be the same unless 2 of Strawther Braun and Watson make gigantic leaps
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Post by JB on Aug 19, 2024 19:37:45 GMT -5
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Post by Dante on Aug 19, 2024 20:11:45 GMT -5
If Jamal was UFA this summer, which NBA team in this new CBA is giving Jamal 50+ million? Name one team that had cap space or will have cap space next summer and is willing to overpay an injury prone player to a 5 year near supermax deal... What is wrong with 40 million per year? I think that is more realistic value to pay Jamal and gives us more flexibility to extend AG next summer while avoiding 2nd apron? Not a single team is giving him 50M a year except the Nuggets. Hopefully Calvin is smart enough to realize the Nuggets can reset if needed. Let Murray go to free agency and walk away from Jokic. We’ll see how successful he is. Why to let him go to free agency? I dont get it. Why cant we offer him 40 million per year instead of 52? Is it an insult thing or he is eligible for that kind of money so he MUST get that type of money? I dont understand the structure. I dont want to lose Jamal or AG for free but i dont want one of them overpaid so that we have no choice but to lose the other... I said that MPJ deal is an albatros because other Nuggets players agents can use it in negotiations as "why" their player is worth certain amount of $. Should be simple. If Jokic is worth 60 million per year, Jamal should be 40, AG should be 30, MPJ 25-30, CB will be at around 15 in his new deal... How on earth teams are going to have a championship caliber roster for more than 1-2 year period if you MUST pay the player what he is eligible for instead of what his actual value is? |
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Post by freakns on Aug 20, 2024 1:48:33 GMT -5
I had speculated that Zeke for Micic would be the followup trade after the Reggie trade, but we were waiting for the new fiscal year. Then, we signed Westbrook after Holmes went down for the season , so getting Micic seemed out the window since Zeke would be kept for depth without Holmes available. Now, maybe Calvin feels Saric signing allows him to trade Zeke for Micic and allow Malone to run a 3-man PG rotation during the RS. Murray and Westbrook prolly will miss a combined 40-50 games, so the need for a third PG is there and, no, Calvin doesn’t assume Pickett can be that third PG. So who knows. Maybe there’s something to this rumor. I did the same as it just made too much sense. Now...I'm not sure after Holmes went down although Zeke still won't see much court time with Saric getting most of the backup minutes at PF and C. Only exception is injuries as Zeke would see big backup minutes unless they believe Vlatco and Watson can play small ball PF and DJ has something in the tank. you need 3PGs on the team. so either Nuggets will play Pickett, or they'll get another PG. doesn't have to be Micic, maybe they'll get someone without trading Zeke, but unless they do get someone, Pickett is going to get some playing time. |
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Post by wicked3line on Aug 21, 2024 9:36:00 GMT -5
Why are we the only team that cannot keep free agents? Ummmm, the rest of the league says that's not true. For example, the Wolves lost Kyle Anderson which is a much bigger hit than watching KCP take his talents to central FL. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Aug 22, 2024 8:21:43 GMT -5
Kyle Anderson being more important than KCP is a wild take. Two time championship winning KCP. Starting both times on two different teams KCP
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Post by wicked3line on Aug 27, 2024 8:02:16 GMT -5
Kyle Anderson being more important than KCP is a wild take. Two time championship winning KCP. Starting both times on two different teams KCP Nobody is saying Anderson's trophy case is more impressive than KCP...but we are not talking about KCP from 2020 and 2023 as father time is still undefeated. KCP turns 32 this season and if Denver can't replace 8 ppg at 39.5% overall (32.5% from 3) in the playoffs while watching CB and Watson cover Edwards better than he did, then the Nuggets are screwed. Contrast that with the Wolves where we all know KAT will miss significant time that forces Naz into the starting lineup only leaves Luke Garza as a respectable backup now that Anderson is gone. Wolves will miss Kyle Anderson more than the Nuggets miss KCP even though KCP has been a better player historically. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Aug 27, 2024 9:57:06 GMT -5
He had a bad shooting run in the playoffs. It happens. Doesnt mean he is washed.
Look at Murray, is he washed because of 2024 playoff shooting numbers?
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Post by jimijam28 on Aug 27, 2024 10:34:44 GMT -5
Kcp was bang up at the end of the season, he the one who needed rest at the end
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