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Post by JB on Aug 12, 2024 11:59:55 GMT -5
how exactly can we "prove you wrong" when the Nuggets view Mike as an indispensable core piece and are not even considering moving him? Lol
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Post by JB on Aug 12, 2024 12:08:10 GMT -5
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Post by famicommander on Aug 12, 2024 13:34:25 GMT -5
The long term draft consequences of the 2nd apron are going to be what scares teams away from it. Nobody is going to want to risk being over it 3 out of 5 seasons.
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Post by JB on Aug 12, 2024 15:33:44 GMT -5
can the Nuggets do the smart thing and grab Aleksa? maybe we can set up a mock draft for Calvin so he can feel like a genius.
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Post by duh88 on Aug 13, 2024 1:03:26 GMT -5
Hipster - you're picking a fight with the wrong guy and you need to be more disciplined.
Reagan signed into law federal legislation guaranteeing that anyone who goes to an American hospital must be "stabilized" in regard to any condition they are suffering from. Technically, an undocumented will get the bill for those services, but there's minimal consequence if they don't pay it.
European hospitals on the other hand, are not mandated to treat undocumented immigrants - it is completely optional. May Euro hospitals will verify immigration status or mandate a pre-bill to be paid if any services are rendered.
Ditto on schooling - undocumented children are often not allowed into European public schools - unlike America - where every child is given access to public schooling, without questions on immigration status.
There's a lot of garbage out there that purports Europe to be more compassionate towards people than America - that couldn't be further from the truth. Europe exploits undocumented immigrants to keep their socialist system afloat - their economies are powered by undocumented immigrants who are paid low wages and enjoy minimal welfare.
Regarding JB and his question about rioters - the anger needs to be directed at european politicians, who have created this mess.
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Post by GBG on Aug 13, 2024 19:27:33 GMT -5
Someone didn’t get the memo.
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Post by GBG on Aug 13, 2024 19:36:55 GMT -5
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Post by nuggetshipster on Aug 14, 2024 8:56:50 GMT -5
Norway aint at the cliff of anything. No racist civil war. No right win psycho leaders. No mass immigration. More money than ever. I guess you are not one of IShowSpeed's 28 million YT subscribers. He was attacked in Norway a few months ago: And when Bieber was in Oslo every 12 year old girl went insane. This shows that Norwegian dont handle superstars |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Aug 14, 2024 9:01:55 GMT -5
Hipster - you're picking a fight with the wrong guy and you need to be more disciplined. Reagan signed into law federal legislation guaranteeing that anyone who goes to an American hospital must be "stabilized" in regard to any condition they are suffering from. Technically, an undocumented will get the bill for those services, but there's minimal consequence if they don't pay it. European hospitals on the other hand, are not mandated to treat undocumented immigrants - it is completely optional. May Euro hospitals will verify immigration status or mandate a pre-bill to be paid if any services are rendered. Ditto on schooling - undocumented children are often not allowed into European public schools - unlike America - where every child is given access to public schooling, without questions on immigration status. There's a lot of garbage out there that purports Europe to be more compassionate towards people than America - that couldn't be further from the truth. Europe exploits undocumented immigrants to keep their socialist system afloat - their economies are powered by undocumented immigrants who are paid low wages and enjoy minimal welfare. Regarding JB and his question about rioters - the anger needs to be directed at european politicians, who have created this mess. Where is the dicipline brother? You fail when you talk about europe as one state. Like aint no undocumented immigrant in Norway being refused medical support. You just say «many» to protect your insane take, find the worst examples in any country and speak of it as its common, to make yourself feel good about american policies. To feel more «compassionate» |
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Post by rock on Aug 14, 2024 16:08:47 GMT -5
guys, as a reminder, non nuggets posts will be deleted in this thread going forward. we have got to get this back on topic
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Post by somborshuffle on Aug 15, 2024 0:13:07 GMT -5
Thank you, Rock.
Question: does losing KCP make the Nuggets a worse regular season team, but a better play-off team given the assumption that we have to go through the Wolves at some point where KCP was worthless vs Ant?
Just thinking positive: I can see the Nuggets being a 5th seed like Dallas, but also like Dallas, making the finals if they value health and rest for the play offs.
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Post by wicked3line on Aug 15, 2024 7:48:43 GMT -5
Question: does losing KCP make the Nuggets a worse regular season team, but a better play-off team given the assumption that we have to go through the Wolves at some point where KCP was worthless vs Ant? Just thinking positive: I can see the Nuggets being a 5th seed like Dallas, but also like Dallas, making the finals if they value health and rest for the play offs. If the Nuggets can't replace a guy turning 32 that avg 8 ppg and shot 32% from 3 in the playoffs while watching CB and Watson defend Edwards better than he could, then the Nuggets are screwed regardless of whether KCP was signed or not. Newsflash, the Nuggets season will not turn on what CB does to replace KCP but rather how effective the bench will be with Saric and Westbrook leading that group along with health of Jokic and Murray. |
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Post by GBG on Aug 15, 2024 7:58:54 GMT -5
Question: does losing KCP make the Nuggets a worse regular season team, but a better play-off team given the assumption that we have to go through the Wolves at some point where KCP was worthless vs Ant? Just thinking positive: I can see the Nuggets being a 5th seed like Dallas, but also like Dallas, making the finals if they value health and rest for the play offs. If the Nuggets can't replace a guy turning 32 that avg 8 ppg and shot 32% from 3 in the playoffs while watching CB and Watson defend Edwards better than he could, then the Nuggets are screwed regardless of whether KCP was signed or not. Newsflash, the Nuggets season will not turn on what CB does to replace KCP but rather how effective the bench will be with Saric and Westbrook leading that group along with health of Jokic and Murray. Our fortunes will primarily rest with our health. I’m not worried about the starting lineup, which should remain awesome even with CB in for KCP. I’m worried about how banged up or available our starters will be after mid-April. Secondarily, I am worried about Westbrook, Watson’s progression as an offensive player, and Strawther’s efficiency. Those three, combined, won’t average more than 36 mpg (12 mpg on average, each) in the postseason, but if they give below-average play, specifically poor shooting, we are in trouble. Of course, our bench has never been good, so there’s that. But is Strawther a real NBA rotation piece? What if he isn’t? Then, he might be out of rotation by Christmas. Who takes his place in rotation then? Trey? Someone not on current roster? They might be forced to waive Pickett and pick up someone else in that case. Lots of question marks with this team, as you can see, relative to the Nuggets of recent seasons. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Aug 15, 2024 9:42:03 GMT -5
Question: does losing KCP make the Nuggets a worse regular season team, but a better play-off team given the assumption that we have to go through the Wolves at some point where KCP was worthless vs Ant? Just thinking positive: I can see the Nuggets being a 5th seed like Dallas, but also like Dallas, making the finals if they value health and rest for the play offs. If the Nuggets can't replace a guy turning 32 that avg 8 ppg and shot 32% from 3 in the playoffs while watching CB and Watson defend Edwards better than he could, then the Nuggets are screwed regardless of whether KCP was signed or not. Newsflash, the Nuggets season will not turn on what CB does to replace KCP but rather how effective the bench will be with Saric and Westbrook leading that group along with health of Jokic and Murray. Agree with this a lot! I'm not really concerned about CB stepping into starting lineup. Though I am concerned about our outside shooting in general. I think Braun can keep his shooting realtively close to last year, if not surpass it, but we don't take alot of 3's nor was our % overall great last year, and I'm hoping Jokic finds his stroke, but our roster doesn't have a tone of great 3 point shooters on it. It's something I hope either improves internally OR we find one more piece that can help in that area over the season. |
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Post by Dante on Aug 16, 2024 7:31:54 GMT -5
None of those players you are talking about guys (CB, Strawther, Watson, Westbrook, Saric) performance is a difference maker in the playoffs. Jamal is. Jamal and to a lesser degree MPJ and AG are the ones that needs to perform like they did 2 years ago in the playoffs, combined with Jokic finding his 3 point shot again.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Aug 16, 2024 9:41:34 GMT -5
None of those players you are talking about guys (CB, Strawther, Watson, Westbrook, Saric) performance is a difference maker in the playoffs. Jamal is. Jamal and to a lesser degree MPJ and AG are the ones that needs to perform like they did 2 years ago in the playoffs, combined with Jokic finding his 3 point shot again. We can win without his 3 pt shot, though it will take more creativity, and we may have to play less AG + Jokic lineups at same time, to have more spacing. |
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Post by GBG on Aug 16, 2024 11:00:19 GMT -5
None of those players you are talking about guys (CB, Strawther, Watson, Westbrook, Saric) performance is a difference maker in the playoffs. Jamal is. Jamal and to a lesser degree MPJ and AG are the ones that needs to perform like they did 2 years ago in the playoffs, combined with Jokic finding his 3 point shot again. We can win without his 3 pt shot, though it will take more creativity, and we may have to play less AG + Jokic lineups at same time, to have more spacing. I think AG can up his 3PT% back to mid-30% range. He was at 34.7% our championship season, and 29.0% last season. The last two postseasons, though, AG was at 39.1% and 40.7% from 3, admittedly low volume and limited sample sizes, but it shows AG doesn’t necessarily kill the spacing, and makes some clutch shots. It’s Jokic who we know can do better. He was at 38.3% and 35.9% the past two regular seasons, but was at 46.1% and 26.4% the past two postseasons. It’s no coincidence we won the chip when he shot great from distance and were eliminated in second round when he didn’t. So we need Jokic to be better when it really matters from distance, for sure. |
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Post by Ring on Aug 16, 2024 11:12:11 GMT -5
Literally no one matters other than Murray. You know what you're getting from Jokic every single series. He's going to be the best player on the floor.
When Murray was playing at an All Star level, the Nuggets went 16-4 in the playoffs.
When he played at an all time bad level, they went 7-5 in the playoffs and got bounced in the 2nd round. People also pretend that Murray being terrible didn't exhaust the team. The team was constantly having to come back in games which means more minutes and more focus/intensity. That gassed them out way more than anything that happened in the regular season.
The Nuggets aren't the Boston Celtics. That team is very very rare. Most teams in order to win a Championship need their top 2 players playing at a very high level. KD/Steph. Lebron/Kyrie. Jordan/Pippen. Kobe/Shaq. Duncan/Manu. It's very very rare you can win without that.
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Post by GBG on Aug 16, 2024 11:35:49 GMT -5
Literally no one matters other than Murray. You know what you're getting from Jokic every single series. He's going to be the best player on the floor. Literally? Really? I think you are oversimplistic with this take. As I just showed, Jokic is streaky and has high variability with his outside shooting. 46.1% in 2023, down to 26.4% from 3 when we lost to Minny in 7 games. Just 35% shooting from 3 by Jokic (his career level) would likely have allowed us to hold on and win in game 7. Yeah, Murray exhausted him and others with his subpar play meaning we played from behind a lot. But that LITERALLY didn’t happen in game 7 at home against Minny. Murray was the best player on the floor in the first half, and we blew a 20+ point lead we had in the middle of third quarter. Murray ended up with 35 points in our elimination game. That normally should be good enough, especially at home in a playoff game when scoring is more at a premium. Jokic let us down in the second half. Quit covering for and protecting Jokic! 😂😉 |
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Post by JB on Aug 16, 2024 12:49:27 GMT -5
boxscore for game 7
Jokic 46 minutes 13-28 fg 34 points
Murray 42 minutes 13-27 fg 35 points
AG 42 minutes 2-5 fg 5 points
KCP 40 minutes 2-7 fg 5 points
MPJ 34 minutes 3-12 fg 7 points
Braun 19 minutes 1-3 fg 5 points
Holiday 9 minutes 0-1 fg 0 points
Reggie Jackson 5 minutes 0-0 fg 0 points
Jamal nearly doubled the scoring output of the entire non-Jokic team so actually, literally everyone else matters.
I'm starting to think Ring is huffing on the same laughing gas that fried Ye's brain.
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