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Post by nuggetshipster on Aug 10, 2024 15:36:44 GMT -5
not of all this is anti-trans hysteria, a ton of it is racism. conservatives saw a large brown woman reduce a small white woman to tears and their Euro lizard brain was activated - the same Euro lizard brain that had the fair right working themselves into a psychotic fury over the "Muslim migrant" identity of the Southport stabbings when the assailant was neither a migrant nor a Muslim, which spilled over into the streets of UK in the form of race riots. What the actual f**k you talking about? You say genuinely loving, smart, educated (either medically or with fighting experience), are lizard brained? Saying stuff like modern day witch hunt is lizard brained. Thinking the system needs improvement for the safety of female boxers is not lizard brained. She gave an official test that showed she had abnormal chromosones. If you really thought IBA was this corrupt. How the f**k can the IOC even host this event without conducting their own genetic genders test? |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Aug 10, 2024 15:39:41 GMT -5
I wouldn’t really give a s**t if the sport wasn’t “try to hit your opponent as hard you can in the head”
I thought Semenya should have been allowed to run. Similar to how OP Usain Bolt was. But this situation is very different
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Post by BBBbbb on Aug 10, 2024 15:47:52 GMT -5
I wouldn’t really give a s**t if the sport wasn’t “try to hit your opponent as hard you can in the head” I thought Semenya should have been allowed to run. Similar to how OP Usain Bolt was. But this situation is very different You’re making an argument (a valid discussion) for the sport to be banned. That sport leaves serious consequences for the participants. Why shouldn’t we look to spare everyone from that kind of head trauma, not just women. |
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Post by GBG on Aug 10, 2024 15:58:35 GMT -5
Take this bs debating to random thread, guys.
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Post by Ring on Aug 10, 2024 16:02:18 GMT -5
not of all this is anti-trans hysteria, a ton of it is racism. conservatives saw a large brown woman reduce a small white woman to tears and their Euro lizard brain was activated - the same Euro lizard brain that had the fair right working themselves into a psychotic fury over the "Muslim migrant" identity of the Southport stabbings when the assailant was neither a migrant nor a Muslim, which spilled over into the streets of UK in the form of race riots. This is nuts lol |
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Post by famicommander on Aug 10, 2024 16:25:56 GMT -5
I don’t pretend I have seen any results of any tests. But if she does have an Y chromosome then she should not fight other women. No matter how bad her record is. I’ve seen no good theory as to why the IBA would want to frame Imane for having an Y chromosome. Or why she withdrew her appeal This being twisted to anti trans or modern day witch trials screens of some sort of superiority complex. Same with everyone liking that trash post You've completely ignored every single fact posted about the IBA. It's literally run by a government appointed gambling head who also owns the only legal sportsbook in the country and the three biggest betting companies. It's literally run by the head of the Russian Boxing Federation who got rid of every single financial backer they had besides the Russian government, then banned all Ukrainian fighters, then moved their HQ to Russia. The guy who made these accusations only did so at the exact point someone beat heavily favored Russian fighters in the semi-finals of the tournament. He also originally didn't say the failed test was a chromosome test. He said it was a testosterone test, then had to admit he lied about that. Then he said the WADA administered the gender test, and they said he lied about that too. Then he said it was a chromosome test, but provided zero proof. Then he changed his story again and said it was an unspecified DNA test and again refused to show proof. Then his own subordinates admonished him for arbitrarily changing the rules of a tournament in the middle of it. He also has a documented history of accusing non-queer people of being queer when they publicly oppose him in any fashion. He also threw a public meltdown about the stupid last supper controversy in the opening ceremonies. He's also personally suing the head of the IOC because the IOC refused to let his organization back into the Olympics because they refused to pay debts that existed before he took over. The IBA was also already kicked out of the Olympics for ethics concerns before this guy even took over. You did absolutely no research into any of this. You don't know the first thing about boxing, or the Olympics, or the IBA, or gender science. Just the gambling ties should be more than enough for you to understand how corrupt this organization is. The fact that he was appointed to this position directly by Putin and is himself an ultra-nationalist with a history of using fake homophobic smears on his opposition is just making it comically obvious. |
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Post by GBG on Aug 10, 2024 16:29:49 GMT -5
Murray for Curry? I’d do it for the quest of one more title.
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Post by famicommander on Aug 10, 2024 16:47:08 GMT -5
Murray for Curry? I’d do it for the quest of one more title. Why would the Warriors even consider that? |
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Post by JB on Aug 10, 2024 17:03:59 GMT -5
not of all this is anti-trans hysteria, a ton of it is racism. conservatives saw a large brown woman reduce a small white woman to tears and their Euro lizard brain was activated - the same Euro lizard brain that had the fair right working themselves into a psychotic fury over the "Muslim migrant" identity of the Southport stabbings when the assailant was neither a migrant nor a Muslim, which spilled over into the streets of UK in the form of race riots. This is nuts lol what's "nuts", that there's a sustained demonization and dehumanization campaign against Arabs, Africans and Muslims in Europe, Algerians in particular, and this complete and utter obsession to disqualify Imane is motivated in part by that? Ring, with all due respect you're out of your depth here. |
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Post by famicommander on Aug 10, 2024 17:12:09 GMT -5
I don't know how many times or how much more clearly I can say this:
The entire controversy was manufactured by one man. One man who:
-was appointed by Putin
-Is the head of the Russian Boxing Federation (huge conflict of interests to be the head of a national and international body for the same sport)
-Is the only person in Russia allowed to set betting lines
-Is the only person in Russia allowed to regulate gambling laws
-Is the person who directly owns the three largest betting companies in Russia
-Moved the HQ of the IBA from Switzerland to Russia
-Unilaterally kicked all Ukrainian fighters out of the IBA
-Refuses to allow independent oversight of boxing referees or judges
-Pays for propaganda campaigns to contribute to a weird ass cult of personality
-Has a history of accusing people who oppose him of being queer even when they aren't actually queer
-Only had an issue with these "gender tests" at the very moment fighters he was personally backing and were heavy betting favorites lost
-Was admonished by his own staff for changing the rules in the middle of a tournament
-Repeatedly lied about what the actual gender test they allegedly failed was
-Lied about who actually administered this alleged gender test
-Refuses to show anybody any proof or even state for the record exactly what this test was or who administered it (again, he said testosterone, then WADA gender test, then chromosome test, then random DNA test)
-Is suing the head of the IOC
-Is running an organization that was already kicked out of the Olympics before he got there for cheating and for not paying debts
-Unilaterally got rid of every sponsor that wasn't the Russian government itself including other foreign governments, companies, and individual private donors
This entire thing has been about aggrandizing Russia and Russian fighters to please Putin. Nothing else. The only people buying into this fake ass controversy are people who don't actually follow the sport of boxing.
And as for the reason she withdrew her appeal, it's because the IBA has completely been replaced on the international stage by World Boxing. They have lost all credibility with everyone in the sport the world over and there's no reason to try to fight them when they're completely regulated and funded by the Russian government and have no power or influence anymore.
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Post by jimijam28 on Aug 10, 2024 17:33:57 GMT -5
Like we should trust Russia/ Putin lol
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Post by JB on Aug 10, 2024 17:34:50 GMT -5
Europeans didn't even trust Putin the one time he told the truth (Nordstream).
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Post by GBG on Aug 10, 2024 17:35:24 GMT -5
Murray for Curry? I’d do it for the quest of one more title. Why would the Warriors even consider that? Did I say Warriors would consider it? In a fictional world Curry and Jokic win another NBA title together in 2025. Murray and Jokic? A much longer shot. |
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Post by famicommander on Aug 10, 2024 17:47:17 GMT -5
Like we should trust Russia/ Putin lol It's even worse than just trusting Putin. It's an organization that was already widely hated by all boxing fans and banned from the Olympics for cheating and not paying debts BEFORE a Putin-affiliated ultranationalist gambling mogul took it over. It would be like if Trump won re-election, then put Dana White in charge of all gambling in the country (both setting the betting lines and deciding what laws to enforce), then let him take control of the 3 biggest casinos, then put him in charge of all combat sports instead of just his own UFC, then made his only source of revenue the US government itself. And then we just expected every other country in the world to be cool with this dude being in charge of international competition. |
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Post by Ring on Aug 10, 2024 18:25:22 GMT -5
what's "nuts", that there's a sustained demonization and dehumanization campaign against Arabs, Africans and Muslims in Europe, Algerians in particular, and this complete and utter obsession to disqualify Imane is motivated in part by that? Ring, with all due respect you're out of your depth here. Whats nuts is that you genuinely believe a good amount of people that are complaining about the issue are doing it from a racist standpoint. That's f***ing nuts. You really think if Lia Thomas was swimming in the Olympics and winning gold medals that people wouldn't be flipping out about it? (Not saying it's the exact same issue, I'm using an example) If you're speaking about conservatives specifically outside of the U.S. then that's fair as I don't know enough about that topic. |
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Post by JB on Aug 10, 2024 18:32:07 GMT -5
it's nuts only if you don't understand the European context and how the specter of a "biologically male" Algerian attacking a white woman directly feeds into the ubiquitous anti-migrant sentiment on the continent which is electing fascist governments left and right, including nearly in the host country.
edit to your edit: yes I'm referring mostly to Europe considering Imane is likely referring to the European right in her lawsuit
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Aug 10, 2024 18:55:31 GMT -5
I’ve seen no good theory as to why the IBA would want to frame Imane for having an Y chromosome. Or why she withdrew her appeal At this point I can't tell if you have blocked several of us or are just not reading, because this has been answered repeatedly: (1) the IBA has motive to want to disqualify boxers who defeated certain key Russian boxers, because "disqualified" also means "match is rendered as a no contest" and that therefore restores the record of the Russian to undefeated. In addition, the IBA has motive to want to discredit the Olympics because the Olympics decertified the IBA years ago due to corruption of multiple types. And the IBA, being Putin-aligned, has general reason to want to sow chaos. (2) Khelif ran out of money to pursue her appeal, and therefore dropped it. By the way -- I am in total agreement that boxers with Y chromosomes should not be eligible for women's Olympics. But this doesn't make someone with a Y chromosome a man (there are genetic conditions that lead to female phenotype with XY or XXY karyotype, and phenotype is the dominant consideration) and it also doesn't mean we should presume good faith on the part of the IBA. |
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Post by Ring on Aug 10, 2024 19:29:29 GMT -5
it's nuts only if you don't understand the European context and how the specter of a "biologically male" Algerian attacking a white woman directly feeds into the ubiquitous anti-migrant sentiment on the continent which is electing fascist governments left and right, including nearly in the host country. edit to your edit: yes I'm referring mostly to Europe considering Imane is likely referring to the European right in her lawsuit No issues at all if you’re speaking about Europe and Europeans’ POV on the issue. I can’t speak to that for obvious reasons. Assumed you were talking about conservatives in the US. |
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Post by JB on Aug 11, 2024 13:39:45 GMT -5
right on cue.
unbelievable.
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Post by scooter on Aug 11, 2024 15:28:33 GMT -5
Murray for Curry? I’d do it for the quest of one more title. Why would the Warriors even consider that? The Warriors would trade Curry if — wanting another realistic chance at a title — he wanted it. |
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